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  posted on 10/23/2008 at 11:25 PM
Not trolling for vitriol nor snark, just genuine curiosity: do you think that, as rumored, the GOP will groom Palin for 2012? Do you think she is electable?

I do see how she had/ has energized some of the Republican base, and she has cachet as a female politician. She wowed folks with the convention speech, or was that mainly just Republicans? What of swing voters? Have her numbers sunk as low as some polls were seeming to indicate a trend toward? Do you think the pop culture/ SNL caricatures will stick to her? Can she escape some of the mini-scandals and baggage that have stuck to her? Do you see an anti-media backlash that swings in her favor? Can she avoid repeating the Katie Couric-type debacles? Will she be part of our nation's future, or will she disappear like Ross Perot? Any educated guesses?

Please, this is not a bash thread, just a request for evaluations of her status.

 
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  posted on 10/23/2008 at 11:29 PM
I think she will be the Kathleen Harris of 2008. She'll go back to Alaska, where she won't be re-elected governor, and she will be a footnote in history. Huckabee and Romney, though, will be formidable opponents in 2012.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2008 at 11:31 PM
I think she will be the President by 2010.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2008 at 11:31 PM
I've heard several sources mention Palin in 2012. I hope not but you made several good points as to why the party might see her as a candidate. I'm not certain she could sruvive the preliminaries though. All of my prejudice against her aside, she doesn't seem to have the necessary curiousity to groom herself for the job. She appears to think she's already prepared and I've found when people have that attitude they don't continue to reach out for knowledge. As a woman, she reminds me of the girls in high school you couldn't get along with. She may effect other women the same way and that would hurt her.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2008 at 11:39 PM
I don't think she is smart enough to be President. Republicans can see this, too, no matter what the hockey moms think.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2008 at 11:43 PM
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Huckabee and Romney, though, will be formidable opponents in 2012.


Two more names....Bob Jindal and Rick Perry.

 

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  posted on 10/24/2008 at 06:45 AM
Yes, I heard it mentioned on SNL, so it must be true.
 

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  posted on 10/24/2008 at 06:48 AM
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Yes, I heard it mentioned on SNL, so it must be true.


And also remember to think of W's face just before you cast that ballot.

 

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  posted on 10/24/2008 at 06:55 AM
Will Ferrell was an excellent addition to that show. IMHO the whole SNL thing is weak and has been weak for years, but the Tina Fey / Palin thing pumped life in.

Pretty funny, my son, big Will Ferrell fan, when he learned there was a new movie out called W, he was actually pretty upset they didn't cast Ferrell for the role.

 

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  posted on 10/24/2008 at 08:03 AM
Sarah's 15 minutes are about up. The only Republicans that want Sarah are the neo-cons and evangelicals (basically the George W. Bush) crowd. The true conservative are throughtly disgusted with what the Republican Party has turn into and many want the party to be beaten badly so that the can "clean house" and hopefully return the Republican Party back to what use to be and stand for.

Btw, I know somebody going to say "what about Pat Buchanan support of Sarah Palin?' While true Pat is 'infatuated" with Sarah, he along with the other editiors of American Conservative magazine sent her the following letter (way to late as IMHO she leans way strongly already towards what the neo-cons believe) warning her about the neo-cons and the AIPAC crowd, and to not to let them corrupt her thinking as they did George W. Bush.

http://buchanan.org/blog/2008/10/an-open-letter-to-sarah-palin/

Also many true conservatives have given Pat "HELL" about his support of Palin, and for stating that Powell's support of Obama was based on "tribalism". Anyway, here's a link to that article.

http://buchanan.org/blog/2008/10/pjb-tribal-politics/


And here are my comments that I posted following that article.

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sibwalker said:

Pat,

You’re at crossroads, and you have to decide whether you’re a conservative or Republican? Because the Republican Party is not the party of conservatives anymore.

And your piece here seems to attack Powell for abandoning the GOP and it’s nominee at critical hour:

“Powell has wounded his party’s nominee at a point of maximum vulnerability”

Well so the hell what! Do you really expect McCain to carry the cause of conservativitism, or continue pretty much along the same lines of the Bush Administration? Because if it’s the latter, then I would rather Obama and the Democrats “running the show” for the next four years. At least it would give traditional conservatives the time necessary to “clean house” of the crowd that has ruined the Republican Party. As for Palin, at heart she’s just another “evangelistic Christian” who’ll quickly embrace withever agenda the “neo-conservative” crowd and AIPAC wants, and in that regards she not that much different that George W. Bush. Basically, she’s not going to ever be the answer to the “conservative prayers”. Unfortunately, I think you have some sort of a “political crush” on Palin that is clouding your judgement about who she really is politically.

I applaud Powell for making his decison for backing Obama, and I think he did so from a “conservative” point of view, and by that I mean, he evaluated both candidates and came to the conclusion of which one, would be the best to think completely through a situation and figure out what would be the best course of action to take, and I don’t think “tribalism” had one damn thing to do with his decision.

If Obama is willing to go that route, then HE would be the best man for job, as that as been a quality that has been sadly lacking in the currrent GOP administration, and would probably continue so into the next. I would think a “true conservative” such as yourself would applaud a President willing to take a “think it through” approach, even though the candidate might be a Democrat. I myself, would prefer that kind of approach to solving America’s problems than the “shoot from hip” and “hope everything works out” approach that I feel that McCain would continue to embrace.

Unfortunately Pat, you’re loyality to the GOP and McCain, is somewhat an odds with your traditional conservative principals.

Posted on October 21st, 2008 at 11:10 am


[Edited on 10/24/2008 by sibwlkr]

 

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  posted on 10/24/2008 at 08:19 AM
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Sarah's 15 minutes are about up. The only Republicans that want Sarah are the neo-cons and evangeliticals (basically the George W. Bush) crowd. The true conservative are throughtly disgusted with what the Republican Party has turn into and many want the party to be beaten badly so that the can "clean house" and hopefully return the Republican Party back to what use to be and stand for.


While that very well may be and is probably true, aren't most of those folks going to vote for McCain anyway? I'm not so sure that so many would be willing to ensure a GOP defeat and let the Democrats take control...isn't beating back the liberals more important in the end than any philsophical conservative problems they may have? I'm just wondering, not looking to pick a fight...

 

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  posted on 10/24/2008 at 08:43 AM
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While that very well may be and is probably true, aren't most of those folks going to vote for McCain anyway?


Bhawk,

In a word "NO". Many, many traditional conservative Republicans who are disgusted with the direction that the Republican party has taken in recent years ARE NOT going to be voting for McCain/Palin ticket. Instead, many won't be voting at all (or if they do vote, they'll vote local issues and candidates, and not vote for a President), or many will vote "third party" candidates (Libertarian candidate Bob Barr, seems to be popular with many) or "believe it or not" will vote for Obama. These traditional conservative Republicans fully understand that the only way to return the Republican Party "back to it's roots" is to "clean house" of the neo-cons, the Big Government Republicans and other members of the party who have forgotten about what Republicans used to stand for. A ringing defeat in this year's election will allow these Republicans to do such a thing, and hopefully resurrect a more traditional oriented Republican Party in time for 2012 election.

If you think about it, that what the Republicans did after their 1976 defeat that brought Jimmy Carter into the White House. Carter won because America was so disgusted with the Nixon era and wanted a change and in a lot of ways, Carter was the Obama of his time. Of course, Carter had a weak Presidency, and by the 1980 elections the Republicans had finally gotten back on track, which allowed Ronald Reagan to be elected President.

[Edited on 10/24/2008 by sibwlkr]

 

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  posted on 10/24/2008 at 09:59 AM
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Yes, I heard it mentioned on SNL, so it must be true.
LMAO!!! (at this comment and thread title. )

 

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