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  posted on 10/23/2008 at 02:55 PM
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Joe Biden's Gift by Cal Thomas

Just like that, Democratic vice-presidential candidate Joe Biden has given voters the single reason why they should not elect Barack Obama president of the United States.

In rambling remarks (does he ever make any other kind?) in Seattle, Biden guaranteed, like Babe Ruth calling his home run shot, that if Obama is elected president there will be an international incident to "test him" less than six months after his inauguration. Biden made no such assertion about a testing of John McCain should he be elected. Perhaps that is because McCain has already been tested ... and he passed.

Behind the public's swoon over Obama is the gnawing doubt that we are about to elect the wrong man, an inexperienced man who is more fluff than substance, more personality than resume, more idealist than realist. Obama, himself, said he lacked experience and was not ready to run on a national ticket shortly after his election to the United States Senate just four years ago.

And from where, exactly, will this test come? Biden mentioned the Middle East and Russia as possible administrators of such a test. Might Iran's Ahmadinejad test Obama by following through on his repeated threat to wipe out Israel? Would terrorists living in this country get a signal to blow up shopping malls and government buildings?

Two historic events offer instruction about what happens when foreign leaders believe an American president might not have the backbone or judgment for the job. Nikita Khrushchev twice tested John F. Kennedy after meeting him in Vienna in 1961. Khrushchev believed Kennedy was out of his league and that his youth and inexperience on the national stage made him and the United States vulnerable. So Khrushchev approved plans proposed by East German leader Walter Ulbricht to build the Berlin Wall and nearly caused a nuclear war during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Biden referred to Kennedy and Khrushchev in his Seattle remarks.

The other teachable moment came on Jan. 20, 1981, when Ronald Reagan took the oath of office and Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini immediately released 52 American diplomats held hostage for 444 days. Khomeini likely believed some American press accounts that Reagan was a "cowboy" and might bomb Iran back to the Stone Age, if that were possible, since the religious fanatics had already taken the country there.


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Biden said something else that was bizarre. He said that it could appear in response to such a testing that Obama responds in the wrong way, but he appealed to the crowd to stick with he and Obama because even though the decision might appear wrong, it will actually be right. What kind of logic is this? The "messiah" can make no mistakes, because he is anointed, so even if a decision appears to be the wrong one and disaster occurs, let not your heart be troubled. It will actually be the right decision and to say otherwise makes it our problem and not his because of our lack of faith in Obama.

This is beyond hubris. This is cult-like devotion and dangerous. No politician enjoys angelic status and anyone who beatifies one in this way is setting himself up for more than disappointment.

What will John McCain do with this gift he has been given? At first, he dropped it. Instead of tagging Biden with the quote, he said that Obama had said it. He's recovered from his own gaffe and he should now pound away on Biden's statement, which is not a gaffe at all, but one of those rare moments in politics: a statement that reveals what a politician actually believes.

"Mark my words," said Biden to emphasize that this self-proclaimed (and Obama proclaimed) expert on foreign policy knows what he is talking about. So let's mark them and take them seriously and decide whether electing Barack Obama guarantees another international incident -- perhaps a second terrorist attack on our homeland, which has not happened since 9/11 and for which the Left will never give President Bush credit.

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Source: Cal Thomas, http://townhall.com/Columnists/CalThomas/2008/10/23/joe_bidens_gift?page=fu ll&comments=true

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  posted on 10/23/2008 at 03:12 PM
Please don't confuse the desperate with facts!

On another note, here's someone with way too much time on their hands....the Obama McCain Dance Off

http://www.break.com/index/unbelievable-mccain-vs-obama-dance-off.html

 

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  posted on 10/23/2008 at 03:13 PM
Billastro, Cal's article is laughable with it's reference to messiah-worship and heavily edited quotes and/or unreferenced purpoted quotes.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2008 at 03:15 PM
Isn't the country set up for another world crisis by being over extended by the strategies of the last 8 years? Since watching the debates, I'd rather have the cool customer over the old guy who could barely contain his rage while dealing with a crisis.
One thing I wondered watching McCain in the debate is whether he might still be looking to pay someone back for him being a POW? He kept making the point over and over about not talking to our enemies or agreeing to meet with them and not warning them we would come into their country (Pakistan in this case) to get Bin Laden if we knew where he was. Maybe McCain's plan is to bomb them all! After all, he is no diplomat.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2008 at 03:20 PM
Haven't we already discussed this?

 

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  posted on 10/23/2008 at 03:21 PM
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Haven't we already discussed this?


Yup.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2008 at 03:22 PM
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Haven't we already discussed this?


Yup.


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  posted on 10/23/2008 at 03:44 PM
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You'd think in an article about Biden's spectacular gaffe, they would probably include the actual quote, you know, so maybe people can form their own conclusions, rather then be told what to think?

"It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."
Even so, I'd give Obama's self assessment about his readiness a really close look. What have the last four years done to prepare him for the position? How has he shown his ability to (figuratively) stare into the eye of a 21st century Khrushchev to see who blinks first? I was in the eighth grade when this happened, it was scary at the time, it became scarier later when we found out what ol' Nikita had been up to. We really were on the edge of a full-scale war.

Remember Reagan's inauguration? Even at the time, we marveled that the Irani hostage-takers freed the Americans within a day. Coincidence? No. The Iranis recognized the differences between Carter (who'd thoroughly screwed up the whole hostage crisis. BTW, by abandoning the Shah of Iran he inadvertently set up the groundwork for the Ayatollah Khomeini to come to power, which in turn laid the groundwork for much of the current state of affairs in the Middle East) and Reagan. They knew that Carter would continue to be ineffectual and that Reagan would kick their butts.

How would a similar world leader (such as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad) deal with Obama, who's new at the game, young, and eager to employ "vigorous diplomacy"? Would he yield to Obama's skills, or would he plant a bomb somewhere? This is the person who denies the Holocaust and has stated that he wishes to wipe Israel off the map, and that he'd like to see a world without the United States (paraphrased).

There's too much at stake in world politics. Regardless of Obama's claims and projections about what he'd do, I'd rather have a known than an unknown, a McCain over an Obama.

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  posted on 10/23/2008 at 04:59 PM
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Remember Reagan's inauguration? Even at the time, we marveled that the Irani hostage-takers freed the Americans within a day. Coincidence? No. The Iranis recognized the differences between Carter (who'd thoroughly screwed up the whole hostage crisis. BTW, by abandoning the Shah of Iran he inadvertently set up the groundwork for the Ayatollah Khomeini to come to power, which in turn laid the groundwork for much of the current state of affairs in the Middle East) and Reagan. They knew that Carter would continue to be ineffectual and that Reagan would kick their butts.



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  posted on 10/23/2008 at 05:02 PM
Biden is the gift that keeps on giving.

Apparently they've got him muzzled and on complete lockdown after last Sunday. What a buffoon.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2008 at 05:06 PM
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At least he actually knows what the duties of the Vice President are. But more importantly, at least he doesn't want to name his son Zamboni.


Palin's not the one on lockdown. She's everywhere.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2008 at 05:14 PM
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I know, and it's great! She's dragging the entire ship down on a daily basis.


Which is why the polls are tightening up.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2008 at 05:17 PM
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I know, and it's great! She's dragging the entire ship down on a daily basis.


Which is why the polls are tightening up.


which polls ??

Karl Rove's ??

he commissions polls to show a tight race so it can be stolen again

everyone knows you can't steal an election if it is a landslide



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I know, and it's great! She's dragging the entire ship down on a daily basis.


Which is why the polls are tightening up.


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  posted on 10/24/2008 at 11:52 AM
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Billastro, Cal's article is laughable with it's reference to messiah-worship and heavily edited quotes and/or unreferenced purpoted quotes.


Bill is looking to stir the pot yet again. He plays the "who? me?" act for all its worth.

 

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