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According to http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78671 , there's serious reason to doubt Obama's American citizenship:
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*ELECTION 2008*
Obama 'admits' Kenyan birth?
Campaign doesn't respond to claims in lawsuit over birth certificate
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Posted: October 21, 2008
9:22 pm Eastern

By Drew Zahn
© 2008 WorldNetDaily

Philip J. Berg

Pennsylvania Democrat Philip J. Berg, who filed a lawsuit demanding Sen. Barack Obama present proof of his American citizenship, now says that by failing to respond Obama has legally "admitted" to the lawsuit's accusations, including the charge that the Democratic candidate was born in Mombosa, Kenya.

As WND reported, Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court in August, alleging Obama is not a natural-born citizen and is thus ineligible to serve as president of the United States. Though Obama has posted an image of a Hawaii birth certificate online, Berg demands that the court verify the original document, which the Obama campaign has not provided.

Now Berg cites Rule 36 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, which states that unless the accused party provides written answer or objection to charges within 30 days, the accused legally admits the matter.

Since Obama has only filed motions to dismiss and has not actually answered the charges in the lawsuit, Berg claims, according to Rule 36, Obama has legally admitted he is not a natural-born citizen.

Now Berg is asking the court for a formal declaration of Obama's admission and asking the Democratic National Committee for another presidential candidate.

In a statement released today, Berg argues that he filed Requests for Admissions on Sept. 15, meaning Obama had until Oct. 15 to answer or face the consequences of Rule 36.

"Obama and the DNC 'admitted,' by way of failure to timely respond to Requests for Admissions, all of the numerous specific requests in the Federal lawsuit," Berg's statement reads. "Obama is 'not qualified' to be president and therefore Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for president and the DNC shall substitute a qualified candidate."

Berg's original lawsuit leveled several charges at both Obama and the DNC Ė accusing the former of lying about his place of birth, faking his birth certificate and fraudulently running for office; and accusing the latter of not properly vetting its candidate.

Though it hasn't given Berg the evidence he seeks, the Obama campaign has publicly answered allegations that the candidate was born in Kenya and faked his Hawaii birth certificate.

"Smears claiming Barack Obama doesn't have a birth certificate aren't actually about that piece of paper," says the "Fight the Smears" section of Obama's website <http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate>, "they're about manipulating people into thinking Barack is not an American citizen.

"The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America," the campaign website states. It also includes images of a Hawaii birth certificate bearing the name Barack Hussein Obama II.

Berg has also taken the controversy public through his website <http://www.obamacrimes.com> and through repeated public offers to revoke the lawsuit if Obama will produce legal documents that establish his citizenship.

Without those documents, Berg has chosen to file two additional motions in district court in Philadelphia. The first asks the court to notify Obama and the DNC of what Berg understands they have now legally "admitted," and the second asks for an expedited ruling, given the quickly upcoming Nov. 4 election.

"It all comes down to the fact that there's nothing from the other side," Berg told Jeff Schreiber for his blog, America's Right. <http://www.americasright.com> "The admissions are there. By not filing the answers or objections, the defense has admitted everything. He admits he was born in Kenya. He admits he was adopted in Indonesia. He admits that the documentation posted online is a phony. And he admits that he is constitutionally ineligible to serve as president of the United States."
You can read Rule 36 at http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/Rule36.htm . Itís too long to paste here. Read it, please.

His refusal to show an actual, physical birth certificate condemns him, I think. When my wife and I got our passports, a photostat of my original birth certificate wasnít enough. I needed an actual copy with an embossed seal. If I needed this to go to Canada, how much more vital is it for the POTUS?

Now, suppose that he really was born in Kenya of an American mother. He could still qualify for POTUS according to http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html . Even here, his silence raises serious questions:

Whatís he hiding? Why wonít he give a real response? Whatís he afraid of?

Billastro

[Edited on 12/18/2008 by Billastro]

 

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  posted on 10/22/2008 at 04:34 PM
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

 

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  posted on 10/22/2008 at 04:38 PM
Another Hail Mary play on the part of the McCain campaign. Didin't work last time either.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2008 at 04:50 PM
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Oahu? What is that, some terrorist base camp in Kenya? WHAT IS HE HIDING?????!?!




I don't see a raised seal on that.



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  posted on 10/22/2008 at 04:50 PM
This is just getting downright crazy. Thank goodness the majority of Americans, and that majority is growing, don't buy into all this crazy stuff. The Republican Party is about to get blown out of the water and left behind because of this BS.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2008 at 04:52 PM
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Well, Bill, he has an American passport, as he has travelled overseas. If it was a passport from another country, I imagine somebody would have picked up on it by now. Somehow I doubt that no matter what proof he would provide, there are many people on the right who would not believe it. You know, the same people who still claim he is a Muslim, a terrorist sympathyzer etc. This sounds like another witch hunt, or much ado about nothing.
If he has one, that would be strong evidence in his favor and I'd let the matter rest. My wife and I had to go through several hoops to get ours.

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  posted on 10/22/2008 at 04:56 PM
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Oahu? What is that, some terrorist base camp in Kenya? WHAT IS HE HIDING?????!?!


A birth certificate image online is worthless. I made this clear. There are enough ways to alter images so it wouldn't be valid, as anyone who's ever used Photoshop knows.

At least OTF gave a real answer.

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  posted on 10/22/2008 at 04:57 PM
Hey, but Obama's the anitchrist. Couldn't his daddy the devil just whip one up for him?

 

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  posted on 10/22/2008 at 05:16 PM
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His refusal to show an actual, physical birth certificate condemns him, I think. When my wife and I got our passports, a photostat of my original birth certificate wasnít enough. I needed an actual copy with an embossed seal. If I needed this to go to Canada, how much more vital is it for the POTUS?
I don't think refusing to show a birth certificate says anything - maybe that he's wisely cautious. I had to get my 'official' certificate when I got my passport, too, Bill. It was one of the only accepted forms of identification the PO would look at. I would never want a copy of mine to appear on the internet or in any public forum. Would you? And please no rhetoric regarding POTUS and full disclosure of this type of legal document because I've never heard this issue come up in regards to any past presidents or candidates. As OTF said - he obviously has a passport as he's done some overseas travelling. This is another ridiculous non-issue being used to attempt to point heads away from what is real and meaningful and towards ... well, towards nothing.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2008 at 05:20 PM
Factcheck says he was born in the USA. I like the comment about the tinfoil hat.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

 

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I like the comment about the tinfoil hat.
I'm thinking we may need to order a case for the WP...

 

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  posted on 10/22/2008 at 05:58 PM
I had to get copies of birth certificates, death certificates, marriage license....and the copies were printed out on modern equipment. I don't see a problem....and as Bill said.....you have to show a certified birth certificate to get a passport....Obama has a passport. Problem solved.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2008 at 06:03 PM
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At least OTF gave a real answer.





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Factcheck says he was born in the USA. I like the comment about the tinfoil hat.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html


I question the validity of that website.


 

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  posted on 10/22/2008 at 06:17 PM
Yes and Obama was behind 9/11 and rising oil prices and your latest sore throat. He's a real meanie. Maybe not a Blue Meanie but a meanie. With all his dangerous friends like Oprah and Colin Powell, you know he means ya no good.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2008 at 06:26 PM
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If he has one, that would be strong evidence in his favor and I'd let the matter rest. My wife and I had to go through several hoops to get ours.



Yes, those hoops can be something else. I mean you have to fill out a form, provide a copy of my ID and send in a check or fax it to the office of Vital Statistics and provide a credit card number to have it over-nighted can be quite a trial. I can see where all this hoop jumping could throw Obama off his game as the procedure is so complicated.

McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone and I do not see any questioning of his citizenship.

 

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Factcheck says he was born in the USA. I like the comment about the tinfoil hat.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html


I question the validity of that website.





For those that do, here's something to consider. If this thing had any validity, don't you think Sen Clinton would have taken advantage of it? Of couse I know the typical McCain supporter has the upmost respect for Clinton and would never expect her to stoop to such dirty tricks!

 

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  posted on 10/22/2008 at 07:24 PM
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Well, Bill, he has an American passport, as he has travelled overseas. If it was a passport from another country, I imagine somebody would have picked up on it by now. Somehow I doubt that no matter what proof he would provide, there are many people on the right who would not believe it. You know, the same people who still claim he is a Muslim, a terrorist sympathyzer etc. This sounds like another witch hunt, or much ado about nothing.


He has said he wants to kill Osama, that is proof he is no Muslim.

 

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Oahu? What is that, some terrorist base camp in Kenya? WHAT IS HE HIDING?????!?!




I don't see a raised seal on that.



Or an otter for that matter.





What is Oahu? It's a poor child smuggled into this country who is told he has to try to blend in and they try to make him say woo-who so he can go to a Beacon show and not be discovered. The kid just couldn't get it right, sorry junior wa-hoo just isn't gonna do!

 

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Obama may or may not be from Kenya or Hawaii, but this thread is definitely from Uranus.

 

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This is just getting downright crazy. Thank goodness the majority of Americans, and that majority is growing, don't buy into all this crazy stuff. The Republican Party is about to get blown out of the water and left behind because of this BS.


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This is just getting downright crazy. Thank goodness the majority of Americans, and that majority is growing, don't buy into all this crazy stuff. The Republican Party is about to get blown out of the water and left behind because of this BS.


Hey Dug, Devils up 5-0 on Dallas right now.

Turco was chased after the third goal.




Things just aren't going well for our professional sports teams right now. Must be END TIMES!!!!

 

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This is just getting downright crazy. Thank goodness the majority of Americans, and that majority is growing, don't buy into all this crazy stuff. The Republican Party is about to get blown out of the water and left behind because of this BS.


Hey Dug, Devils up 5-0 on Dallas right now.

Turco was chased after the third goal.




Things just aren't going well for our professional sports teams right now. Must be END TIMES!!!!



Ask gina, that's her special area of expertise.

 

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This is just getting downright crazy. Thank goodness the majority of Americans, and that majority is growing, don't buy into all this crazy stuff. The Republican Party is about to get blown out of the water and left behind because of this BS.


Hey Dug, Devils up 5-0 on Dallas right now.

Turco was chased after the third goal.




Things just aren't going well for our professional sports teams right now. Must be END TIMES!!!!


You still have the Longhorns. Oh .. you said professional.. Yeah, that's right, the Longhorns.



Somebody has to outbid OU....

 

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What&#8217;s he hiding? Why won&#8217;t he give a real response? What&#8217;s he afraid of?

Billastro



Im not going to read the whole thread because this is just about the dumbest topic someone could come up with. Why am I not surprised that Bill is posing this as a serious question? Nope, not trying to stir things up at all...

1 minute at Google, would have answered your concerns.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

http://www.newsweek.com/id/154599

Stop getting your "information" from wingnut websites like World Net Daily.

 

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