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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 06:57 AM
Do bands and musicians plateau out in there music?

Do some artist reach a creative peak and canít take it any further?

I have been kind of thinking about that the last few years about some bands who have been around for awhile who started out really hot and heavy in the beginningís of theyíre careers and just maybe peaked and leveled out. Maybe the creative juices, hunger and drive was present more in the early stages. Maybe the popularity of the music wares off, or itís just a certain time and era of music when that style is more popular like punk,metal,grunge,disco etcÖ

Lets take Metallica and Oasis, those are the only two that come to mind, and I could think
of others.

I am not saying that the music that they put is anyless quality now, it just seems to me sometimes that it does not have the same kick, or maybe I am expecting something
to much from them, or trying to hold them to standards.

I have bought and listened to both and they are not bad releases by any means, but like I mentioned maybe sometimes I expect to to much or greatness from bands who have really put out great music for over a good period of time. I understand that people put out clunkers, and I donít think either of theses two bands ever have.
There are some good songs of both of these , but IMHO nothing memorable, standing the test of time.. I am not saying record sales equate greatness or quality,
I cause I think we all know that is not true.


But then you have bands like the Beatles,Stones(60-80ís), The Who,Zep,Dylan
who consistently put out great music over a good portion(the meat) of theyíre careers.
I think Dylans stuff that he has put out over the last 10yrs can stand up against anything
he has ever put out. Like the bands I mentioned above and probably some more, album after album were top notch, and I think maybe some of them plateaued out later on also.


But then you have people like Warren and G mule who just keep growing and evolving.
Warren Haynes to me is just simply amazing, really canít say it any other way. What he has
done musically and how diverse he is and the quality at which he creates, is just amazing.

I try and be objective about things, and hopefully I am,does anyone else have any opinions on this?

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 07:03 AM
Do some artist reach a creative peak and canít take it any further?

Most definitely. Eric Clapton comes to mind, he hasn't evolved since Derek & the Dominoes. The "unplugged" album resurrected his career, but his playing remains the same.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 08:12 AM
The thing that fuels any artist creativity is a certain "creative hunger" to create something (music, art, literature, ect) that either that no one else has done before or to take something which has been done before to a "higher level". Unfortunately, for many artists one they achieved these goals, especially if they have had a great deal of popular success in doing so, is that they begin "playing it safe", as to not lose the new-found popularity and all the trappings that go along with it. The sad thing is, that what was once great and unique, begins to become a somewhat "watered down" verision of what it used to be. It's very, very difficult for any artist to maintain the necessary "hunger" that allows for "creative peaks", and still enjoy a great deal of popularity.


 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 09:31 AM
All artists have a 'peak' that they will always be compared to with other projects. I have always believed that the music industry in the late 60s-70s was better designed for those peak years because albums were released frequently. That way more albums came out during the 'peak' years. That doesn't mean that there can not be another good album later. Just that a string of albums were the strongest.

Warren is used as an example here so I will go with him. The first three Mule studio records were much stronger than any release since. The obvious reason is that Woody died but more important is that the material (while still good) is stronger than releases since. Warren hit his 'peak' with those albums. Part of the problem is that his songs got spread out with multiple Mule releases, ABB release, Phil Lesh releases and all in a short time span. Songs that were by-passed years earlier got used to fill the gaps. it doesn't mean they are bad songs. Just not as good as the ones chosen for release on earlier albums.

Not picking on Warren. There are only so many "quality" songs that one man can produce in a short time period.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 09:41 AM
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All artists have a 'peak' that they will always be compared to with other projects. I have always believed that the music industry in the late 60s-70s was better designed for those peak years because albums were released frequently. That way more albums came out during the 'peak' years. That doesn't mean that there can not be another good album later. Just that a string of albums were the strongest.

Warren is used as an example here so I will go with him. The first three Mule studio records were much stronger than any release since. The obvious reason is that Woody died but more important is that the material (while still good) is stronger than releases since. Warren hit his 'peak' with those albums. Part of the problem is that his songs got spread out with multiple Mule releases, ABB release, Phil Lesh releases and all in a short time span. Songs that were by-passed years earlier got used to fill the gaps. it doesn't mean they are bad songs. Just not as good as the ones chosen for release on earlier albums.

Not picking on Warren. There are only so many "quality" songs that one man can produce in a short time period.


Well put. I do agree that the first three were stronger. I do feel HIgh and Mighty is very solid release and some very good songwriting. I think the reason why I like this one so much is because I think it RAWKS a little more, alittle fresh sounding and new.
Deja Voo Doo is rarely played by me. Just a personal preference.

[Edited on 10/20/2008 by jszfunk]

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 09:49 AM
I agree with Sibwlkr in connection with the "creative hunger" concept. I believe most groups fall into this category,except for the Beatles and maybe the Stones. It is analogous to the first in a series of movies, where usually the first movie is always better than the sequels which follow only to capitalize on the money to be made with as many followups as can be tolerated by the public.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 09:50 AM
Art.. Art ???? Andy Warhol...

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 09:51 AM
I think Bruce Hornsby peaked early, Great songs at the beginning, nothing after that.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 10:48 AM
I always felt most really good bands have 3 great records in them. That's what separates them from the alltime greats like The Beatles, Dylan, The Stones, Neil Young. Very few people have the creative genius to keep writing new material over a period of time.
 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 10:53 AM
wow, i hope not..

truthfully, i think art is something that can't be judged...i am always intrigued to see people here review the same things in vastly different ways.

I do believe that some things you do, not only in art or music, but also in life, can be your peak...

did you ever come across that jock, cheerleader or "cool "kid that peaked in High School and always seemed to be stuck in the past?

i think each day you wake up, you have another chance to make your art, or life , anything you want it to be...

I also think that great songs are given to you...you are just the messenger..

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 11:14 AM
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I think Bruce Hornsby peaked early, Great songs at the beginning, nothing after that.


I disagree, I love Halcyon Days.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 11:37 AM
I think artists absolutely do peak.... In my opinion its inevitable that if a band "breaks ground" in some way, then the fans will come to expect that from the band, leading to the band playing to those expectations instead of trying to grow artistically. I find in almost every case that I like an artists' first 2 or 3 albums much moreso than later releases, and I believe that fan expectations are the main reason for that.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 11:46 AM
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I think Bruce Hornsby peaked early, Great songs at the beginning, nothing after that.


I disagree, I love Halcyon Days.


My thoughts exactly.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 12:39 PM
In terms of songwriting, they definitely do peak. Ray Davies is a certifiable genius but after around 1983, his songs basically are ordinary at best. Bruce Springsteen is another that comes to mind as well as Pete Townshend. WHo can compare Paul McCartnety post 1970 to what he did with the Beatles? Ian Anderson is another I would classify as genius. But after around 1979, he really declined.

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 12:49 PM
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I think Bruce Hornsby peaked early, Great songs at the beginning, nothing after that.





I'm going to have to disagree with the Hornsby analogy. His album/work with Ricky Skaggs is tremendous.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 12:58 PM
Some do and some do not.

A friend and I have discussed about how Sonic Youth has for sure but how Patti Smith, Joni Mitchell, and Bob Dylan have not.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 01:28 PM
Elton John is a great example. He made some classic albums in the early and mid 70s until about 1976. Classics such as MADMAN ACROSS THE WATER, TUMBLEWEED CONNECTION, 11/17/70, GOODBYE YELLOW BRICK ROAD, CAPTAIN FANTASTIC. Essential albums, I have em all in my collection!!

Essentially his artistic peak was over by the mid 70s. But he kept releasing one mediocre album after another up to today. Records that I wouldn't even accept if they were given to me for free. Such dreck as: A SINGLE MAN, VICTIM OF LOVE, JUMP UP, THE FOX, LEATHER JACKETS, REG STRIKES BACK, SLEEPING WITH THE PAST, THE ONE, MADE IN ENGLAND, PEACHTREE ROAD, etc. etc.

Retire Elton!!!!!!!!!!!!


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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 01:30 PM
Even writing one great song is amazing, at least a no-talent person like me thinks so.

So anything beyond that is just gravy...

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 01:38 PM
Rod Stewart has gone down the same exact path as Elton. He was great in the late 60s/early 70s with Beck, and then the Faces. His Mercury solo LPs were classics. EVERY PICTURE TELLS A STORY, SMILER, NEVER A DULL MOMENT, GASOLINE ALLEY, LONG PLAYER, OO LA LA, A NOD IS AS GOOD AS A WINK.

Then in the mid 70s his career took a nose dive. Embraced disco and pop. "Do Ya Think I'm Sexy" crap. Lots of lousy 80s and 90s records. Even that "American SOngbook" is a pile of Sh!t.

Retire ROD!!!!!!

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 02:13 PM
Fascinating topic. There are many aspects to it also.

Sometimes a band changes its sound to develop and evolve, but I may not LIKE the change, or the public at large may not like it. I am a big fan of the old prog-rock Genesis, 1970-1977, and I remember seeing a latter-day interview with Phil Collins defending the band's later material, and Phil said "I don't wear the same style clothes I wore 15 years ago, so why should I make the same kind of music I made 15 years ago?" And while i don't like most of the Genesis stuff after 1977, he had a good point; they HAVE tried many different sounds and structures and approaches.

Some bands change sounds with a line-up change, and maybe that is off topic. The last few Who releases and Pink Floyd releases come to mind.

I guess a good question is, who is a band or musician that has had a long career who HAS made a latter-day work that stands toe to toe with their older stuff? I would say that "Tattoo You," which came out about 18 years into the Stones' career, stand up with their earlier work. Who else?

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 02:14 PM
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I disagree here as well, His playing alone in my opinion has gotten so much better, his solo shows are absolutely unbelievable and his band shows are smokin, to me his art has been refined and only gets better, personnally I am hoping something new is on the horizon

 

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I think that the obvious answer is "yes", because this can be true in all aspects of life. I do not however feel that it is ALWAYS true. With obvious artists, such as The Beatles already being mentioned.

In fact, some artists appear to peak and then die off because of our own personal tastes. As an example, I feel that Gov't Mule's last studio record is the best since DOSE, making it my second favorite Mule album. Obviously, as others stated, they feel opposite.

Are we talking about writing great commercial and accessible songs? Are we talking about great artist statements? - These are a matter of opinion. And sometimes artists have to give into other pressures or go through phases.

I think what does happen though is that people get to a point where they physically can't push they're talents beyond where they've gone. But sometimes, for me, that doesn't matter as long as they can still come up with something enjoyable to do afterwards. It's when they keep going and they can't even do that, where it becomes a problem.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 02:57 PM
I guess Bruce still has a few fans, just not me.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 04:19 PM
Even The Beatles had their peak. It just happened to be the years that they were together.

Look at their solo work and although there are plenty of great moments. They don't come close to matching The Beatles.

Pick any artist and it is true. Some are one hit wonders and that is their peak and others may be recording for 40 years but you will find a string of albums that define their peak. The ABB would be from the first album straight through Brothers and Sisters. Sure there are great albums after that but they don't come close to matching the first 5.

The trouble with many bands is that they get too high and cut those "peak" years down in size. just look how many bands first 5 albums are amazing and then trail off. In those years (late 60s-70s), the first 5 albums were usually released within 3-5 years and that is usually with non-stop touring in between. No wonder they all got burnt out or fried.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 04:59 PM
kiss peaked early ,1977

 

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