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  posted on 10/19/2008 at 09:29 AM
I just had to throw this topic out 'cause I've been thinking a lot lately about how incredible it is that we ABB fans are blessed with two such incredible talents in the same band. Let's not get into a Duane/Dickey discussion here, OK?? We all know how great THAT duo was; we also know that Duane has been dead for 37 years and Dickey was booted nearly ten years ago.

It's just hard for me to comprehend how great Warren and Derek both are, and if you try to decide which guy is really better, it's an impossible question, to me, anyway. I personally started out years ago being more impressed by Derek overall, mostly because of the total package he presents, going off in such a different World Music direction with The Derek Trucks Band, which I've seen 5 or 6 times. And his Soul Serenade record, is just way, way off the hook, as are every solo record I've heard by him. I played Soul Serenade earlier this year for an excellent drummer friend of mine who is classically trained and he about drooled all over himself, I had to burn him a copy right away. He just could not believe that a guitarist in The Allman Brothers Band had made such a great, straight ahead jazz record. Add to The Derek Trucks Band's resume, an appearance last month at The Monterey Jazz Festival, reportedly the longest running jazz festival in the world. They shared the stage with legends like Wayne Shorter, Herbie Hancock and Maceo Parker.

Then I come to Warren. I've seen Gov't Mule 7 or 8 times now and it's weird, but every time, my appreciation level has been raised just a little bit. I think Warren is a stronger rock 'n' roll guitar player than Derek, but when he wants to, he can play straight ahead jazz with the best of them. I've heard him do it with ABB, I've heard it with The Mule. On the strength of the last three Mules shows I've seen, including two at The Fillmore last November and last summer here in San Jose, Warren has actually become my favorite of the two. NOTE: I never said Warren was better than Derek, I said he's become my favorite of the two. And of course you have to give Warren a nod for his vocals, which are incredibly strong, whereas Derek does not sing.

How did we land two guitar geniuses in the same band? Long live the current ABB lineup is about all I can say. Oh yeah............two more Fillmore Mule shows on my calendar next month!

[Edited on 10/19/2008 by robslob]

 

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  posted on 10/19/2008 at 09:33 AM
Amen to that Rob. That is why I think you cannot pass up ANY opportunity to see this band as it exists right now.

 

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  posted on 10/19/2008 at 09:35 AM
Wise words indeed...

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  posted on 10/19/2008 at 09:39 AM
Well said. The astonishing thing about Derek is that he continues to get better and there seems to be no glass ceiling with him. I'm ready for a new dTb cd just to witness his stratospheric growth. If you look at all the young guns that came out in the last decade or so ie, Jonny Lang, KWS, John Mayer they have peaked in my opinion but not Derek.

I know that these guys reached a new level in Raleigh.

 

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  posted on 10/19/2008 at 10:27 AM
You make a great point, DanB. Derek seems to continue to grow in relation to "all the young guns". I think the difference is that Derek is an intellectual. He has a very heavy appreciation for those who came before him, from Duane Allman to John Coltrane to Miles Davis to Eric Clapton to Johnny Winter to Eastern music.............the list goes on and on. Derek loves it all and absorbs it all.

 

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  posted on 10/19/2008 at 11:44 AM
Great post, Rob.

In my 40 years of concert going, I have seen many great guitarists(regretfully, never got to see Duane or Jimi).
To have two of those great ones in one band is truly mind-blowing!
The only band that is remotely comparable hasn't taken the stage in 37 years!

 

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  posted on 10/19/2008 at 11:51 AM
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I just had to throw this topic out 'cause I've been thinking a lot lately about how incredible it is that we ABB fans are blessed with two such incredible talents in the same band. Let's not get into a Duane/Dickey discussion here, OK?? We all know how great THAT duo was; we also know that Duane has been dead for 37 years and Dickey was booted nearly ten years ago.

It's just hard for me to comprehend how great Warren and Derek both are, and if you try to decide which guy is really better, it's an impossible question, to me, anyway. I personally started out years ago being more impressed by Derek overall, mostly because of the total package he presents, going off in such a different World Music direction with The Derek Trucks Band, which I've seen 5 or 6 times. And his Soul Serenade record, is just way, way off the hook, as are every solo record I've heard by him. I played Soul Serenade earlier this year for an excellent drummer friend of mine who is classically trained and he about drooled all over himself, I had to burn him a copy right away. He just could not believe that a guitarist in The Allman Brothers Band had made such a great, straight ahead jazz record. Add to The Derek Trucks Band's resume, an appearance last month at The Monterey Jazz Festival, reportedly the longest running jazz festival in the world. They shared the stage with legends like Wayne Shorter, Herbie Hancock and Maceo Parker.

Then I come to Warren. I've seen Gov't Mule 7 or 8 times now and it's weird, but every time, my appreciation level has been raised just a little bit. I think Warren is a stronger rock 'n' roll guitar player than Derek, but when he wants to, he can play straight ahead jazz with the best of them. I've heard him do it with ABB, I've heard it with The Mule. On the strength of the last three Mules shows I've seen, including two at The Fillmore last November and last summer here in San Jose, Warren has actually become my favorite of the two. NOTE: I never said Warren was better than Derek, I said he's become my favorite of the two. And of course you have to give Warren a nod for his vocals, which are incredibly strong, whereas Derek does not sing.

How did we land two guitar geniuses in the same band? Long live the current ABB lineup is about all I can say. Oh yeah............two more Fillmore Mule shows on my calendar next month!

[Edited on 10/19/2008 by robslob]


He's my favorite of the two as well.

 

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  posted on 10/19/2008 at 12:56 PM
Agree w/everything said except the 'favorite' part. Gun to the head I'd have to go w/Derek. Yes, he does seem to get better every time I see him. 'Which doesn't seem possible. That said, Warren's arsenal is truly never-ending. We're lucky to have them both.

Check that, we're lucky to have the Allman Brothers Band (still) b/c, w/o the ABB, I don't believe these two world-class muscians would have ended up together on stage 30-50 times a year for the last 8 or so years. The ABB is their vehicle, thankfully.

I've been at many shows of the last couple of years where it seems the whole band is essentially stepping back and letting Derek really shine...acknowledging his brilliance. (Then again, maybe that's just me) But it seems, each time this happens over the course of the whole show...there is a song later in the set where Warren will, inevitably, raise his game to a previously unseen (at that show) level, and remind the 'kid' and the rest of us that he absolutely has it. And he always will, I trust.

Thank heavens for both of 'em!!!

[Edited on 10/19/2008 by Leon]

 

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  posted on 10/19/2008 at 01:02 PM
Warren's great. no doubt. The first time I saw him with ABB ( pre Mule, w Betts and Woody) he blew me away.

Derek's on another planet. I've seen him 3 times this year and, each time he amazed me more. Best living guitar player, imo.

To have both of these geniuses in one band - to hear them push each other, is truly amazing.

I just thank my lucky stars

 

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  posted on 10/19/2008 at 01:05 PM
I'll say this...if i could have a "dream band" w/only one guitarist..& was choosing between Warren & Derek.....it would be Warren hand's down.

 

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  posted on 10/19/2008 at 01:13 PM
Hey! You got your peanut butter on my chocolate! Hey! You got your chocolate in my peanut butter! Two great tastes that taste great together!
 

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  posted on 10/19/2008 at 01:27 PM
Warren has been my favorite guitarist for many years now due to my taste in music. When the Mule hit the music scene, I was floored. There hadn't been a power trio that heavy in a long time. Derek just blows my mind. He takes a guitar to levels unseen. Together it's pure magic. They are the most awsome duo I have ever seen.

 

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  posted on 10/19/2008 at 01:39 PM
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I'll say this...if i could have a "dream band" w/only one guitarist..& was choosing between Warren & Derek.....it would be Warren hand's down.


yeah but Derek would sit in almost every night

 

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  posted on 10/19/2008 at 01:39 PM
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  posted on 10/19/2008 at 01:47 PM
I love both of them, but if I had to pick one it would be Warren who is also a great acoustic player and has a great singing voice. Some people also don't remember just how good of a slide player Warren is. When I first witnessed the ABB in the early 90s Warren was doing the slide playing and he was incredible. That is what got me into Warren in the first place.

 

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  posted on 10/19/2008 at 05:50 PM
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I'll say this...if i could have a "dream band" w/only one guitarist..& was choosing between Warren & Derek.....it would be Warren hand's down.


yeah but Derek would sit in almost every night


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  posted on 10/19/2008 at 08:11 PM
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Amen to that!

 

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  posted on 10/19/2008 at 08:49 PM
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I'll say this...if i could have a "dream band" w/only one guitarist..& was choosing between Warren & Derek.....it would be Warren hand's down.



Well said, and agreed, indeed.

 

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  posted on 10/19/2008 at 09:00 PM
I also liked the peanut butter and chocolate comment. Having both Derek and Warren in the world does make it a lot sweeter.

[Edited on 10/20/2008 by Mudflapgirl]

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 01:52 PM
All goes back to the locked room in Jacksonville in March, 1969. Birthing a new thing in music. A format where both these geniuses could go and grow wherever. The legacy of Duane Allman in 2008.
 
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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 02:16 PM
We are very lucky to have them playing together. They are two truly amazing guitarists.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 02:17 PM
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  posted on 10/21/2008 at 04:29 PM
I drove 800 miles to Atlanta to see the tour closer this year I was not disappointed one bit. The two guys together is better than each one alone I think. There's a fire there that was present in the early 90's when Warren & Dickey kicking each other's butts every night, pushing harder and harder. I agree that Derek is really shining. Every show I've seen over the last few years have moments of pure musical joy that springs from Dereks hands. There were several moments from both guys in Hot 'Lanta on the 11th. "Black Hearted Woman" was especially hot and then Derek pulled out all the stops for Dreams. I couldn't believe how fast he was playing with his right hand. Amazing. I've been a Warren fan since 1990 though so Derek has a lot of loyalty to overcome - lol. ABB and Mule are my two faves that are still around so the edge goes to Warren since he's in both, but it sure is tough to pick.

I like the sound the two of them give the band. It's primal like the Duane era.

My only complaint is that they do too many covers. I'd rather hear this amazing band rework some good-but-poorly-presented tunes from their own catalog, even stuff from "Reach for the Sky" or "Brothers of the Road".

 

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