Don't click or your IP will be banned


Hittin' The Web with the Allman Brothers Band Forum
You are not logged in

< Last Thread   Next Thread ><<  1    2  >>Ascending sortDescending sorting  
Author: Subject: Bobby Whitlock "expresses" his view on Jim Gordon

World Class Peach





Posts: 5678
(5711 all sites)
Registered: 6/27/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 10/17/2008 at 09:15 AM
Well......off of the Steve Hoffman threads about Derek and the Dominos, today, part 2

"Devil Road" is a very cool track...All of the songs that we were doing were great until the clever aspect of their structure started making it's way into them..."Devil Road", "High", "Tender Love" and "Snake Lake Blues" are the only tracks that I really like from those sessions...The rest of it was mindless crap...A bunch of diddley, diddley clever nothing...That's why you don't hear any keyboard on part of it...I wasn't going to play on a bunch of garbage and have that left as a part my Legacy...Jim Gordon was going in there without us knowing it doing things on his own...That chick named Rene was nobody that I ever met or even heard of until a few years back...He really got it in his head that he could sing...He sounded like he was lost when he sang...He reminded me of Alfalfa crooning in "The Little Rascals"...I told him that Eric and I did all of the singing in the band and we wrote all of the songs, and he just needed to play his drums...He got to point where he was acting like he really did know how to sing and write songs and play guitar and piano...This idiot was doing waaay too much heroin and coke mixed together and shooting it, so he was thinking up all sorts of shiite!...At that point he was completely "Delusional"!...He was not long for that band anyway and was directly responsible for the break up of it!...And I'll never forget it or him and his twisted ways...That was one sick in the head dude I'll tell you...He totally pissed me off!...He was headed for where he is right now way back then...And he is right where he belongs right now!...I hope that he has found freedom from that prison that he was living in called his mind...That must be one scarry place to be..."Payback is Hell".......BW c2008

 

____________________
Mecca Delendum Est

Support International TOURISM. Vsit MATAMOROS, Mexico

Obama thinks the American people are stupid

When leftist radicalism takes over America it.....

How does polygamous marriage threaten gay marriage?

 
Visit User's Homepage
Replies:

Peach Extraordinaire



Karma:
Posts: 4622
(4622 all sites)
Registered: 8/15/2007
Status: Offline

  posted on 10/17/2008 at 09:27 AM
i was just reading that

whitlock is an intersting guy

 

____________________
To put someone in isolation, is an act of hostility





 

Maximum Peach



Karma:
Posts: 9008
(9009 all sites)
Registered: 4/17/2007
Status: Offline

  posted on 10/17/2008 at 09:30 AM
And a great talent.

 

____________________
Danny Spell

 

Extreme Peach



Karma:
Posts: 1146
(1146 all sites)
Registered: 3/5/2008
Status: Offline

  posted on 10/17/2008 at 09:37 AM
Wow. I read it, and about midway through figured that quote had to be from the '70s. I'm disappointed that Bobby isn't showing a bit more compassion here.
 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 18687
(19089 all sites)
Registered: 7/2/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 10/17/2008 at 09:43 AM
Who's got the time to read thru both of those threads - way too many pages.

Anyway - the stuff above is kind of harsh, and I don't know how you get around it, but there are numerous other statements where both BW and CC state (again and again) that Gordon was not responsible for the break up of D&D....

 
E-Mail User

Peach Extraordinaire



Karma:
Posts: 4622
(4622 all sites)
Registered: 8/15/2007
Status: Offline

  posted on 10/17/2008 at 09:46 AM
quote:
And a great talent.


that he is i wish he did more jambandish pseudohippie stuff

to bad they arnt over on our forums shoooting ****

 

____________________
To put someone in isolation, is an act of hostility





 

Maximum Peach



Karma:
Posts: 8343
(8351 all sites)
Registered: 3/24/2005
Status: Offline

  posted on 10/17/2008 at 09:48 AM
Why should Whitlock have compassion for J. Gordon? He ruined Derek and the Dominos of which Whitlock was a heavy contributor of music and lyrics and if I recall, murdered his own mother. It looks to me that Gordon is the one lacking compassion.

 

____________________
The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein

 

Extreme Peach



Karma:
Posts: 1146
(1146 all sites)
Registered: 3/5/2008
Status: Offline

  posted on 10/17/2008 at 09:56 AM
2 things:

1. I'm now reading all of CC's posts on that thred. I'm not quite as irriatated, and it's not fair for me to judge Bobby on one paragraph, or even the whole thread. He lived through it, it was certainly a tough time (hell, even the original sessions were tough).

2. Gordon deserves compassion, b/c he's in a really bad way. I'll have compassion for people who are truly mentally ill, regardless of who they hurt. I'll also have compassion for those they hurt. My original post was borne of the belief that after 30 years, and knowing what he knows about Gordon, Bobby could have done a little better in measuring his words. He could express being hurt by Gordon without being harsh.

But, again, (despite, I guess doing it in my last paragraph), I'm wrong to judge Bobby, or to tell anyone how to feel about something that they went through.

 

Peach Extraordinaire



Karma:
Posts: 4622
(4622 all sites)
Registered: 8/15/2007
Status: Offline

  posted on 10/17/2008 at 09:59 AM
i jus wonder if bobby and coco wil rent my sig. on here??

 

____________________
To put someone in isolation, is an act of hostility





 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 24400
(24575 all sites)
Registered: 3/31/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 10/17/2008 at 10:00 AM
<sigh>

 

____________________


 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 24400
(24575 all sites)
Registered: 3/31/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 10/17/2008 at 10:02 AM
He doesn't mince words when it comes to Delaney Bramlett, that's for sure.

 

____________________


 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 18593
(18594 all sites)
Registered: 11/20/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 10/17/2008 at 10:56 AM
quote:
Why should Whitlock have compassion for J. Gordon? He ruined Derek and the Dominos of which Whitlock was a heavy contributor of music and lyrics and if I recall, murdered his own mother. It looks to me that Gordon is the one lacking compassion.
I don't believe that Gordon ruined Derek and the Dominos - if the band wanted to remain intact (sans Gordon) it certainly could have. I have compassion for Gordon because he was clearly mentally ill ... I know I wouldn't want to be walking around with the kind of thoughts that Gordon carries in his mind. And re: the 'Payback is Hell' comment ... hmmm ... wonder what payback Whitlock is referring to ... payback for the fact that D&D (probably the high point of Bobby's career) didn't continue, payback for the murder by Gordon of his mother, payback for Gordon being schizophrenic (not his choice, I'm sure)

 

____________________
"Come on down to the Mermaid Cafe and I will buy you a bottle of wine, and we'll laugh and toast to nothing and smash our empty glasses down..."

 

Maximum Peach



Karma:
Posts: 8343
(8351 all sites)
Registered: 3/24/2005
Status: Offline

  posted on 10/17/2008 at 11:01 AM
From my readings of Jim Gordon, his trial did not utilize any insanity defense and he is incarcerated in jail and not in a mental institution. While they could have gotten a new drummer, I am sure that the felling between the members had deteriorated beyond repair partly because of Gordon and partly because of clapton's hereoin addction.

 

____________________
The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits. Albert Einstein

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 18593
(18594 all sites)
Registered: 11/20/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 10/17/2008 at 11:11 AM
quote:
From my readings of Jim Gordon, his trial did not utilize any insanity defense and he is incarcerated in jail and not in a mental institution. While they could have gotten a new drummer, I am sure that the felling between the members had deteriorated beyond repair partly because of Gordon and partly because of clapton's hereoin addction.

He is in a mental institution...
From Wiki (nice quick resource ) ...

"In the late 1970s, Gordon complained of hearing voices in his head, primarily those of his mother. Unfortunately, his physicians did not diagnose his condition as schizophrenia and instead treated him for alcohol abuse.

In June 1983, he murdered his mother with a hammer. It was not until his trial in 1984 that he was properly diagnosed. Due to the fact that his attorney was unable to use the insanity defense, he was sentenced to 16 years to life in prison with a possibility of parole. He has served his sentence at the California Men's Colony in San Luis Obispo, Atascadero State Hospital in Atascadero, and the State Medical Corrections Facility in Vacaville. As of 2008, he remains incarcerated. Currently, there is a petition on line to assist him in either being released from prison or placed in a facility where he is able to receive more sophisticated treatment."

 

____________________
"Come on down to the Mermaid Cafe and I will buy you a bottle of wine, and we'll laugh and toast to nothing and smash our empty glasses down..."

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 24400
(24575 all sites)
Registered: 3/31/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 10/17/2008 at 11:30 AM
Clapton was deepening his heroin addiction and was becoming a recluse.
Gordon was a major problem to Clapton and he had enough of the band, and
life and just "disappeared" for a while ...

Whitlock actually admits as much. Even if they had a new drummer, it would've gone
no where since Clapton was a junkie ...

 

____________________


 

Peach Master



Karma:
Posts: 873
(874 all sites)
Registered: 3/29/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 10/17/2008 at 11:45 AM
Yeah right, EC was the only one in the group doing any hard drugs...everyone else was in prayer groups when EC was booting up; except for JG who was obviously plotting the demise of the group in his poor twisted head.
As for JG being a no talent geek, well he wrote the piano coda for Layla, they had to beg him for it before he gave it up to the band. I think that revisionist history can be dangerous, in this case at the very least self serving and unfeeling for a brother musician who was apparently very very ill. But JG did go on to do two studio albums with Traffic and to this day is considered by drummers the world over as one of the most notable drummers of the 70's; and Delaney Bramlett had a decent solo career in the mid-late seventies and Bobby Whitlock did.....? I don't know, eat a lot of sour grapes?
What's most interesting when this kind of nonsense comes out from an old band member is that you can judge its impact by how the other members respond. Well Carl's dead, JG is incapacitated and I bet EC could give a flying V about BW's memories.
A little class was called for on BW's part but instead he chooses to rant like a peed off little bitch. Good luck BW, you'll need it.

 

____________________
There ain't no devil that's just God when he's drunk.

 

Peach Extraordinaire



Karma:
Posts: 4622
(4622 all sites)
Registered: 8/15/2007
Status: Offline

  posted on 10/17/2008 at 11:50 AM
i dont think bw is ranting

its pretty clear more people had issues of bw moving on with his career

than he had


 

____________________
To put someone in isolation, is an act of hostility





 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 18593
(18594 all sites)
Registered: 11/20/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 10/17/2008 at 11:57 AM
quote:
i dont think bw is ranting

its pretty clear more people had issues of bw moving on with his career

than he had
LOL - Gotta disagree with you here Tarzan. The BW quote that carlos posted definitely did sound like a rant ("He totally pissed me off!"), a finger pointed in Jim Gordon's direction ("He was not long for that band anyway and was directly responsible for the break up of it!"), and bitterness on his part ("Payback is Hell")

 

____________________
"Come on down to the Mermaid Cafe and I will buy you a bottle of wine, and we'll laugh and toast to nothing and smash our empty glasses down..."

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 24400
(24575 all sites)
Registered: 3/31/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 10/17/2008 at 11:59 AM
As Clapton says, "Don't ask me, Bobby's the one who can remember it all"

No one said JG was a no talent geek, least of all BW.
BW praises JG ad a great drummer who had A LOT of issues and
just as big an ego. Not to mention the drugs. AS BW says, look at some of
the pictures in the Layla album gatefold. One of him eyes ablaze and EC
leaning his head on his shoulder ready to nod off. Coke vs Heroin.



 

____________________


 

Peach Extraordinaire



Karma:
Posts: 4622
(4622 all sites)
Registered: 8/15/2007
Status: Offline

  posted on 10/17/2008 at 12:42 PM
quote:
quote:
i dont think bw is ranting

its pretty clear more people had issues of bw moving on with his career

than he had
LOL - Gotta disagree with you here Tarzan. The BW quote that carlos posted definitely did sound like a rant ("He totally pissed me off!"), a finger pointed in Jim Gordon's direction ("He was not long for that band anyway and was directly responsible for the break up of it!"), and bitterness on his part ("Payback is Hell")


you dont hate me or anything??

though??

 

____________________
To put someone in isolation, is an act of hostility





 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 18593
(18594 all sites)
Registered: 11/20/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 10/17/2008 at 12:56 PM
quote:
you dont hate me or anything??

though??
LMAO - hope you're kidding here. Of course not ... not into hating people!

 

____________________
"Come on down to the Mermaid Cafe and I will buy you a bottle of wine, and we'll laugh and toast to nothing and smash our empty glasses down..."

 

World Class Peach



Karma:
Posts: 5678
(5711 all sites)
Registered: 6/27/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 10/17/2008 at 01:13 PM
My curiousity is tied to the irony of Clapton basing an album upon the tragic story of Layla and the ultimate fate of the band. Layla dies, Majnun wills himself to death on her grave. Anyone think only EC read the 8000 llne poem? It is almost like a Star Trek episode. The previously unknown crewmember wearing the red shirt won't be coming back with the ground party.......

As to Whitlock, anyone else notice he or Coco seems to be "copyrighting" the posts on Hoffman's site?

Cheers

Carlos "The new intellectual property Czar might be coming after me now" Rivera

 

____________________
Mecca Delendum Est



Support International TOURISM. Vsit MATAMOROS, Mexico



Obama thinks the American people are stupid



When leftist radicalism takes over America it.....



How does polygamous marriage threaten gay marriage?

 

Peach Extraordinaire



Karma:
Posts: 4622
(4622 all sites)
Registered: 8/15/2007
Status: Offline

  posted on 10/17/2008 at 01:35 PM
quote:
quote:
you dont hate me or anything??

though??
LMAO - hope you're kidding here. Of course not ... not into hating people!


lol im kidding

but hey you never know who is a cyber bully

hahaha

 

____________________
To put someone in isolation, is an act of hostility





 

Peach Extraordinaire



Karma:
Posts: 4622
(4622 all sites)
Registered: 8/15/2007
Status: Offline

  posted on 10/17/2008 at 01:45 PM
quote:
My curiousity is tied to the irony of Clapton basing an album upon the tragic story of Layla and the ultimate fate of the band. Layla dies, Majnun wills himself to death on her grave. Anyone think only EC read the 8000 llne poem? It is almost like a Star Trek episode. The previously unknown crewmember wearing the red shirt won't be coming back with the ground party.......

As to Whitlock, anyone else notice he or Coco seems to be "copyrighting" the posts on Hoffman's site?

Cheers

Carlos "The new intellectual property Czar might be coming after me now" Rivera


ive never read the poem i had heard of it before i was familar with the dominoes lore

and didnt know if it would be interesting
as far as copywriting public forums

hell if it would make for a good rough draft and it was my storey id
go for it !

 

____________________
To put someone in isolation, is an act of hostility





 

Universal Peach



Karma:
Posts: 5944
(6041 all sites)
Registered: 1/24/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 10/17/2008 at 02:14 PM
No saints, no saviors.
 
E-Mail User
<<  1    2  >>  


Powered by XForum 1.81.1 by Trollix Software


Privacy | Terms of Service
The ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND name, The ALLMAN BROTHERS name, likenesses, logos, mushroom design and peach truck are all registered trademarks of THE ABB MERCHANDISING CO., INC. whose rights are specifically reserved. Any artwork, visual, or audio representations used on this web site CONTAINING ANY REGISTERED TRADEMARKS are under license from The ABB MERCHANDISING CO., INC. A REVOCABLE, GRATIS LICENSE IS GRANTED TO ALL REGISTERED PEACH CORP MEMBERS FOR The DOWNLOADING OF ONE COPY FOR PERSONAL USE ONLY. ANY DISTRIBUTION OR REPRODUCTION OF THE TRADEMARKS CONTAINED HEREIN ARE PROHIBITED AND ARE SPECIFICALLY RESERVED BY THE ABB MERCHANDISING CO.,INC.
site by Hittin' the Web Group with www.experiencewasabi3d.com