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  posted on 10/17/2008 at 03:37 AM
what do you foks think of this man? was he a genius or just plain mad?

 

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  posted on 10/17/2008 at 08:01 AM
Most likey the later!!!!!!!

 

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  posted on 10/17/2008 at 08:26 AM
's dead.............

no...he's outside, looking in................

 

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  posted on 10/17/2008 at 08:49 AM
your so unbelievable simpleminded mulefan, and an **** after reading your previous posts.

Leary wasnt a genius, but he wasnt mad. If you really understand what "tune in, turn on, drop out" means, you will understand what he was about. Giving acid to very young children I may not agree with, but I put him in the same category as Lennon, Garcia, and Kesey. Dont get caught in the herd, people are not meant to behave like sheep. Life is what you want it to be, ect......I really like his ideas, but I believe there is a VERY fine line between genius and crazy, he was a little of both I guess.

 

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  posted on 10/17/2008 at 08:51 AM
id say genius

if i was to armchair quaterback his life
he should have spent less time fighting with the F.D.A

and more time writing

but we would have a psychedelic culture with or without him

 

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  posted on 10/17/2008 at 09:01 AM
Tim was the son of a lifelong drunk dad who tended to live on the streets,Tim was a lifelong garbage head addict who would ingest anything just to avoid his inner pain & pursue his selfish needs like any other addict,he used LSD for sex & for the high--he never was honest or ethical about his alleged research at Harvard in the early 60's & as a result of his demented life,psychedelics were pretty much banned from study as medicinal drugs & Leary's behavior contributed,in part,to today's childish & foolish drug war.

Only in the last few years has Leary's shadow diminished & therefore many teaching hospitals & medical schools reopened the doors.... on MDMA as end life medicine or the work on mushrooms at Hopkins or many other legit research projects at legit med schools....Leary,if you study his biography was a disaster in his family life,work life & in adding to the overall stupidity of the USA in its thinking about drugs.Leary was part of the culture of destruction of moderation & his extreme thinking & behavior led to other extreme thinkers we have today--like Walters,our drug Cszar who is clearly,from a scientific perspective,one of the dumbest asses to open his foolish mouth on the topic--he is a Leary created monster--directly or indirectly ...


so yeah,ya got it--i don't dig Leary--he's messed up my professional work in a big way & that has furthered the rampant drug crazy panic we live in.

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  posted on 10/17/2008 at 09:15 AM
it really blows my mind that people here are smart enough to realize how good the ABB music is, but so mixed up on other topics. His life was a disaster becuase the govt thought, and I quote, "Timothy Leary is the most dangerous man in the country". You sound like that dadof2, leave the guy alone, we can do whatever the hell we want to with our own lives. Look at what the govt put John Lennon through, and all he wanted was peace!
 

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  posted on 10/17/2008 at 09:23 AM
Not really a big fan of Leary. I prefered Ken Kesey's approach more. While Leary approached it with a serious scientific manner for spiritual enlightenment, blah blah blah, Kesey seemed to be more in it for transforming society and having fun with it. At least that's what I seemed to have gotten out of Tom Wolfe's famous book.

magodee, why so defensive of Leary? People are allowed to have their opinions. Just because people enjoy the ABB music doesn't mean they agree on everything. Go check the WP for proof! ;-)

 

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  posted on 10/17/2008 at 09:26 AM
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Go check the WP for proof! ;-)


So true, so true.

 

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  posted on 10/17/2008 at 09:32 AM
never said ya can't do what you want--if ya read what i wrote or if you have read ANY of the biographies of Leary by respected authors,ya may find that Leary was a louse to his children & to just about anyone he had an intimate relationship with...moreover he was an academic phony...

now if you think i therefore oppose freedom of choice for anyone so long as ya don't harm others,i respect your opinion--all i'm saying is Leary made it harder for me as a researcher & for many who use these drugs for reasonable medical or responsible recreational use.

So,Magodee--my dislike for Leary doesn't conflict with your notion of personal freedom.

No reason to attack me personally or suggest i may not be your intellectual equal--true or not,Magodee--nothing personal

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  posted on 10/17/2008 at 09:43 AM
you cant judge leary because of his fathers actions

 

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  posted on 10/17/2008 at 09:56 AM
hey dude...i didnt mean to come off as a jerk, or to say your stupid, so sorry about that. but he is what I would call a "product of the system". He got messed with so much, who knows what he really was like. Im not some Leary fanatic, Im only 24, but I understand what he was fighting for.
 

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  posted on 10/17/2008 at 09:57 AM
no,you can judge Leary by HIS life--read about his family life & his abusiveness & neglect as a father--not much of a man there...

but,again,my dislike of Leary is not equal to a moderate recreational &/or medical use for drugs,at the right time & in the right place & with no danger brought to others...for me,that's personal choice--what people may realize(who have seriously studied Leary)Leary has made it harder to make those personal choices--he thought he & the govt. will cooperate--as would Sandoz but,the govt. turned on Leary,seeing the phony he was, & seized it as further opportunity to begin the ever failing & misguided so called war on drugs.

 

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  posted on 10/17/2008 at 10:02 AM
no problem,Magodee--all cool--try some of the biographies written in the last 5--10 years..sad story of a man who never really had a chance...peace,bro
 

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  posted on 10/17/2008 at 10:20 AM
Owsley Stanley said:

"Leary was a fool. Drunk with 'celebrity-hood' and his own ego, he became a media clown-and was arguably the single most damaging actor involved in the destruction of the evanescent social movement of the '60's. Tim, with his very public exhortations to the kids to 'tune in, turn on and drop out,' is the inspiration for all the current draconian US drug laws against psychedelics. He would not listen to any of us when we asked him to please cool it, he loved the lime-light and relished his notoriety... I was not a fan of his."

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  posted on 10/17/2008 at 10:40 AM
Have never been able to track down the movie/video/documentary whatever "Timothy Leary's Dead" -- seem to recall it came out maybe 10-15 years ago -- anyways supposedly IIRC it talked about how (btw I know this is a family oriented forum ) -- but anyways, about how he was beheaded & stuff after he died (it was his wish I guess) -- he was a pretty out-there guy, but was also intelligent and not violent -- interesting icon/figurehead or whatever, from that era along with the Abbey Hoffmans, Pat Paulsens etc

 

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  posted on 10/17/2008 at 10:46 AM
Richard Alpert (or Ram Dass) also eventually parted ways with Leary over Leary's philosophy and he was there in the beginning. I think much of what the Harvard study started out searching for was ideological and while Alpert was able to take a spiritual path with this, Leary was not. And yes - he was definitely a publicity hound.

 

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  posted on 10/17/2008 at 01:55 PM
I can't remember the exact year...maybe 1978?... My friend Mike McGee talked me into going to hear Timothy Leary "speak" at "McCabe's Guitar Shop" in Hollywood, Ca. The "show" was in the back room of the guitar shop and sat maybe 75 people. There were folding chairs lined up in aisles as space would permit, (This was a very small room, I mean small) and Dr. Leary emerged from the front of the shop and proceeded to the stage. For an Hour and a half, the good Dr. paced back and forth like a Lion in a Zoo cage spouting of his beliefs about why this should be done like this or like that. Absolute gibberish. When Mr. Leary was finally through, he left, just walked out the same way he came in. I recall almost everyone walking outside and shaking their heads, as if to say, "What in the hell just happened in there?"...on the drive home, I remember looking at my friend and saying, "Well, I can tell everyone, I saw Timothy Leary"....I knew it would come in handy one day.

 

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I can't remember the exact year...maybe 1978?... My friend Mike McGee talked me into going to hear Timothy Leary "speak" at "McCabe's Guitar Shop" in Hollywood, Ca. The "show" was in the back room of the guitar shop and sat maybe 75 people. There were folding chairs lined up in aisles as space would permit, (This was a very small room, I mean small) and Dr. Leary emerged from the front of the shop and proceeded to the stage. For an Hour and a half, the good Dr. paced back and forth like a Lion in a Zoo cage spouting of his beliefs about why this should be done like this or like that. Absolute gibberish. When Mr. Leary was finally through, he left, just walked out the same way he came in. I recall almost everyone walking outside and shaking their heads, as if to say, "What in the hell just happened in there?"...on the drive home, I remember looking at my friend and saying, "Well, I can tell everyone, I saw Timothy Leary"....I knew it would come in handy one day.


Too funny.
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  posted on 10/17/2008 at 02:08 PM
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Owsley Stanley said:

"Leary was a fool. Drunk with 'celebrity-hood' and his own ego, he became a media clown-and was arguably the single most damaging actor involved in the destruction of the evanescent social movement of the '60's. Tim, with his very public exhortations to the kids to 'tune in, turn on and drop out,' is the inspiration for all the current draconian US drug laws against psychedelics. He would not listen to any of us when we asked him to please cool it, he loved the lime-light and relished his notoriety... I was not a fan of his."

Ego is one of the biggest enemies of the human race. My $0.02.

Owsley wasn't one to critisize too many people either.

 

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