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  posted on 10/16/2008 at 10:57 AM
I've been wondering lately why Duane's solo recordings from 1969 were never officially released as an album. Three of the songs were on the two Anthology collections. Randy Poe's book "Skydog" mentions eight songs were recorded in Muscle Shoals. Is there a dispute over ownership of the material? A release in 2009 would make sense as its the 40th anniversary of the ABB. I've also wondered if there are any alternate versions of the eights songs or jams from those sessions in a vault somewhere that could fill out a CD. That's assuming the tapes have been preserved.
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  posted on 10/16/2008 at 01:22 PM
If you have listened to Johnny Jenkins' album 'Ton-Ton Macoute!' you have heard the other songs with Johnny doing the singing.
 

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  posted on 10/16/2008 at 09:29 PM
It's not the same as hearing Duane. I know "Down on the Cove" by Johnny Jenkins has overdubs added to the original version.
It's seems odd that these recordings with their increasingly historic value have not been rissued as an album after nearly 40 years.
Since Johnny Sandlin played drums on the original recordings, I was wondering if Big Ann or Johnny could shed any ilight as to who has the rights to rthe tapes. Is iit Duane's daughter, a record company or someone ellse?
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  posted on 10/17/2008 at 07:12 AM
I thought it was also odd that they waited 35-36 years to release 6-27-71 Fillmore East. Although I did have the remastered traded version, it was not until 4 years ago that I even knew it existed. I can't wait for more Duane era shows to surface. I'm sure the band must have a couple more shows on tape which are releaseable quality.
 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 06:36 PM
Found this on the web and it says it's of Allman Brothers but I'm sure this one is from Duane's solo works.

http://entertainment.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=622&Lot_No=21413&s rc=pr


 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 10:17 PM
Just wondering since Duane and Berry are on Duane's solo sessions if that would qualify as an ABB archival release of sorts since it dates from the same year the band was formed.

 

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  posted on 10/26/2008 at 05:30 PM
I asked Johnny about it and here's what he remembers. He didn't think they cut that many tracks but he can't be sure and most of what he remembers being cut was released on the above mentioned albums. One of the reasons the cuts probably weren't released as an album is because they were just tracks and Duane hadn't done any overdubbing on them which would have made it a consideration for release. Hope it helps.

 

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  posted on 10/26/2008 at 09:09 PM
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I asked Johnny about it and here's what he remembers. He didn't think they cut that many tracks but he can't be sure and most of what he remembers being cut was released on the above mentioned albums. One of the reasons the cuts probably weren't released as an album is because they were just tracks and Duane hadn't done any overdubbing on them which would have made it a consideration for release. Hope it helps.
Reminds me that "Happily Married Man" had no overdubbed solo, just an extended rhythm break.

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  posted on 11/2/2008 at 01:35 PM
It's amazing what one can stumble across when you go looking for something else. I found a list of the eight songs recorded for Duane's solo album. As to ownership of the tapes...I imagine that rests with a record company...who knows which one by this time....but I doubt they'd be willing to let go of the copyright for any other releases. However, that's just a guess.

Here are the recordings:

Down Along the Cove
Happily Married Man
Steal Away (Johnny doesn't remember playing on this one)
No Money Down
Goiin' Down Slow
Bad News
Neighbor Neighbor (Johnny recorded this for Gregg's last solo album too)
Dimples

 

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  posted on 11/2/2008 at 07:16 PM
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It's amazing what one can stumble across when you go looking for something else. I found a list of the eight songs recorded for Duane's solo album. As to ownership of the tapes...I imagine that rests with a record company...who knows which one by this time....but I doubt they'd be willing to let go of the copyright for any other releases. However, that's just a guess.

Here are the recordings:

Down Along the Cove
Happily Married Man
Steal Away (Johnny doesn't remember playing on this one)
No Money Down
Goiin' Down Slow
Bad News
Neighbor Neighbor (Johnny recorded this for Gregg's last solo album too)
Dimples


Thank you for the great info Ann,

And it seems "Dimples" pressed only a few as a test sample acetate from Atlantic and one of them came out as follows, I think.

http://entertainment.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=622&Lot_No=21413&s rc=pr

I'd love to listen to this source.


 

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  posted on 11/2/2008 at 09:16 PM
A little trivia....Dimples was a song the Impacts, one of Johnny's early bands, played. Then when the 5 Men-Its formed that band continued to play the song and when the HourGlass started, Dimples was one of the songs the Men-Its brought to the table for the band to play. Obviously it was recorded for Duane's solo album and then later with the ABB. Just sort of history on how that particular song ended up with ABB.

 

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  posted on 11/3/2008 at 03:49 PM
Big Ann,
Thanks for the additional information on Duane's solo album and "Dimples." I know "Steal Away" was played once on a radio station and is available on a bootleg CD. The recording features Duane's trademark bird calls on guitar.
Was there any indication in the information you have if there were alternate/instrumental versiions of the eight songs you mentioned? I've have read elsewhere that "Down Along The Cove" is an instrumental.
Regarding who owns the rights of the recordings, I'm wondering with all the mergers and acquisitions in the music business in recent years if the company that owns the rights even knows it has them.
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  posted on 11/3/2008 at 04:33 PM
I'll ask Johnny about any possible alternate versions. As for the record company knowing about the masters......oh yes. Most of them are viable recordings still generating revenue.....they know.

 

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  posted on 11/3/2008 at 05:27 PM
Thanks for the new info, bigann. What would we do without you ?

 

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  posted on 11/3/2008 at 05:36 PM
Thank you...and you're welcome.

I asked Johnny about alternate versions of the material recorded and he said there probably were alternate takes of the songs but he's not certain how much, if any, was saved. After Duane passed, he went over the material looking for things to include on the Anthology I and II so if there was anything left of those sessions it appears it wasn't enough to use or it would probably have been on one of those releases.

 

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  posted on 11/3/2008 at 10:38 PM
"I'll ask Johnny about any possible alternate versions. As for the record company knowing about the masters......oh yes. Most of them are viable recordings still generating revenue.....they know"

Ann, if this is so, how come I can't go to the store and buy a copy? How are they generating revenue if not via commerical sale? As Chairman Mao once said, "Let a thousand flowers!"

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  posted on 11/3/2008 at 11:39 PM
A number of the tracks are already on albums. The Johnny Jenkins Ton Ton Macoute album has been re-released a couple of times, the two Anthologys and they all contain some of those tracks.

Because of Duane's notariety, record companies are especially aware of what they have in their catalogs that he's played on. And if they hadn't been before, there have been several people in the past ten years or so who have made it a point to document what's where in Duane's discography.

If the albums are no longer available now.....just wait, there will be another release one of these days.

 

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  posted on 11/4/2008 at 12:15 AM
i believe randy poe stated he listened to virtually everything duane recorded session wise - i wonder if this included his solo lp sessions. i also wonder if he may have any information or insight to add to johnny's. paging bongorandy!

 

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  posted on 11/4/2008 at 12:43 AM
there is a bootleg called "Allman Brothers with or without him(for Duane)" that has an instrumental of" Down along the cove" It is tilted "Allman jam" but in the notes it is listed as an idlewild south outtake.... also there is outtakes of IMOER one more ride midnight rider statesboroblues with no Dickie solo(studio and in the key of C as opposed to D live)...the label is CTD chase the dragon....


i got it years ago at a swap meet....

there is another bootleg i got at the same swap meet years ago..entilted chicago blues again..that has" steal away" on it listed as a demo....anyway..thanks for everything you do BigAnn..........................

 

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  posted on 11/4/2008 at 12:49 AM
Here's the information about those sessions from the HTW Duane Discography information:

DUANE ALLMAN:
Fame Recording Sessions, February 1969

Duane Allman recorded tracks for a never released solo album at Fame Recording Studios in Muscle Shoals, AL in February 1969 with the help of: Berry Oakley (Bass), Paul Hornsby (Piano, Organ) and Johnny Sandlin (Drums).
Jaimoe played drums at the rehearsals, but not on the actual recordings.

1. Goin' Down Slow
2. No Money Down
3. Happily Married Man
4. Down Along The Cove (instrumental)
5. Steal Away
6. Dimples
7. Bad News
8. Neighbor, Neighbor

Track 1 released on:
Duane Allman: "An Anthology" (Capricorn, 1972)
The Allman Brothers Band: "Dreams" (box set) (Polydor, 1989)

Tracks 2 & 3 released on:
Duane Allman: "An Anthology Volume II" (Capricorn, 1974)

The other tracks are not officially released.

Track 4 is released on the bootleg CD:
"One More Ride - Idlewild South Outtakes" (It's The Feel Of Music ITS-1005). The multi-track recording of this song was later used for Johnny Jenkins' album "Ton-Ton Macoute!" (Capricorn, 1970) with Johnny Jenkins' vocals and harmonica and Pete Carr's acoustic guitar added.

Track 5 was mentioned in the Duane Allman discography that was published on the official Allman Brothers Band website http://www.allmanbrothersband.com/ until 2002 and in Dean Reynolds' book "The Complete Allman Brothers Band Discography" (2000). A recording of this song was played by Kirk West on the radio show "From The Vaults" (WBCN, Boston, 1993).

Tracks 6 and 7 are mentioned in the booklet of the Allman Brothers Band box set "Dreams" (Polydor, 1989, page 7). Track 6 is also mentioned in Scott Freeman's book "Midnight Riders - The Story Of The Allman Brothers Band" (1995, page 37). Recordings of these songs are not available, but the booklet of "Dreams" mentions that the multi-tracks of "Dimples" and "Bad News" (and the multi-track of "Down Along The Cove") were later used for Johnny Jenkins' album "Ton-Ton Macoute!" (Capricorn, 1970).

Track 1, 2, 3, 4, 6 and 8 are mentioned by Johnny Sandlin in the liner notes of the 1997 CD release of Johnny Jenkins' album "Ton-Ton Macoute!" (Capricorn / PolyGram).
But in the same liner notes Johnny Sandlin also writes that only track 4 of the Fame sessions ("Down Along The Cove") was used for Johnny Jenkins' album. All the other tracks for "Ton-Ton Macoute!" were recorded at the Capricorn Studio in Macon, GA and the Fame recording of "Dimples" was not used.
A recording of track 8 ("Neighbor, Neighbor") is not available.

Duane Allman plays on all tracks.

 

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  posted on 11/4/2008 at 01:25 AM
I have a copy of "Steal Away" floating around here somewhere. The track has a lot of the "Bird" sounds Duane made with the slide like the notes he played on the end of Layla...

 

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  posted on 11/4/2008 at 06:47 PM
thanks for the info ann - you are our own little abb encyclopedia!

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 12:25 PM
Is there a copy of "Dimples" in CD format? Or are copyright laws preventing that? I'd be very interested in having a recording made of that track!

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 11:47 PM
I don't know that it's ever been released on anything in any format and the tape is probably gathering dust on a shelf somewhere at Fame. Interesting question about the copyright. I suppose at this point, whoever owns the tape controls the copyright because the Library of Congress won't register a copyright for works done prior to 1972. It gets kind of tricky on recordings made that long ago.

 

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  posted on 11/6/2008 at 11:37 PM
Jerry Wexler of Atlantic Records bought Duane's contract from Rick Hall. Here's what Wex told me: "I bought Duane's contract for $15,000. I just made the offer, Rick said, 'Fine,' and that was that. I didn't care about any masters in the can. It didn't interest me. Phil [Walden] decided he wanted to start his label with these guys, but he'd said, 'I gotta get Duane loose from Rick,' so I just bought Duane's contract. It was not esoteric or complex. I just wanted to free up Duane so Phil could start his label with the Allman Brothers."

The question I don't have the answer to at the moment is whether or not Wexler made the unreleased masters part of his deal with Walden. In other words, either Wexler kept the rights to the masters on behalf of Atlantic (since it was Atlantic's $15,000), or Wexler turned the masters (in addition to Duane's contract) over to Walden, and then recouped the money from sales of ABB recordings on Capricorn (which would've been easy since Atlantic was Capricorn's distributor).

The solo project tracks on the Anthologies were both released (originally) on Capricorn, as was the Johnny Jenkins album. If Atlantic was the actual owner of the Duane masters, Wexler probably would've let Phil put them on the above-mentioned Capricorn releases on a handshake.

It's a great question. Now that Atlantic owns Rhino Records (and now that Rhino is responsible for all of Atlantic's business affairs issues), I'll check with business affairs at Rhino to see if Atlantic actually owns the 8 masters.

If it's not Atlantic, it would have to be Universal Music Group since they ended up with the rights to the ABB-era Capricorn masters.

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