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  posted on 10/15/2008 at 03:29 PM
There's no shortage of stories like these out there, but what got me was the line in bold.

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Prosecutor to examine shooting of teen prankster
by Barton Deiters and Nardy Bickel | The Grand Rapids Press
Monday October 13, 2008, 7:49 AM

SOLON TOWNSHIP -- The Kent County prosecutor will decide if a homeowner was justified in shooting a 14-year-old prankster.

Police said five teens were toilet-papering a home on the 900 block of Sherwin Street NE about 1 a.m. Sunday when the homeowner awoke and saw them.

Thinking the strangers were trying to break in, the homeowner fired three shots from a 12-gauge shotgun, police said.

"Their intent was to TP the house; his intent was to come out shooting," said Lt. Jerry Miedema, of the Kent County Sheriff's Department.

A 14-year-old was struck with pellets, receiving injuries that were not life-threatening. He was taken to Spectrum Health Butterworth Hospital, where he is recovering from wounds to his chest, stomach and leg, police said.

The homeowner was not taken into custody pending review by the prosecutor, Miedema said. Police refused to release the names of anyone involved.

Neighbor Roxanne Maxim said those living in the area are aware of their isolation and have concerns for their safety. The backyards are dark at night, and houses are far from each other, she said.

"When you live out in the country, it's scary and you want to defend yourself," she said. "That's why we have dogs. And it's hunting season, so rifles are always loaded. It's a sad situation for everybody. I hope (the teen) gets better."

She said she did not hear the shots.

"We don't pay any attention," she said. "People hunt out here, so we're used to it."

Bob Lipski said he was surprised to hear gunshots in the middle of the night.

"I thought, 'What's going on? It's bowhunting season,'" he said.

History offers no clear indication of how Prosecutor William Forsyth's office will handle the case.

In 2004, Forsyth's office gained a plea of reckless discharge of a firearm from Herkner Jewelers owner Randall Dice, who fired his handgun several times on Ottawa Avenue NW in downtown Grand Rapids as a man fled with a $19,000 Rolex watch.

In contrast, Cedar Springs resident Robert Clarke was not charged in 2001 after he shot and killed a drunken Kevin Salinas, who was rattling his back door around 4 a.m.

Most recently, Forsyth found that Glenn Tett was justified in shooting Gabriel Rodriguez, who approached Tett carrying a trash can lid outside a gas station at Boston Square in February.

Sherwin Street resident Harry Ross said he doesn't know any of the people involved in this weekend's incident, but he can sympathize with the shooter.

"It sounds like the parents need to get a handle on their kids," Ross said. "People aren't going to put up with that around here."


 

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  posted on 10/15/2008 at 03:38 PM
If your smart you know not to TP Nugent's house

 

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  posted on 10/15/2008 at 03:54 PM
Shooting at the boys was over the top. On the other hand, TPing someone's house/yard is not cool. I'd order them to freeze, and I might fire a warning shot if they tried to run, but no, TPing a house is not a killing offense.

 

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  posted on 10/15/2008 at 03:56 PM
I thought so too, Dave. That would be one interesting day to be in the gallery of the courtroom if the homeowner goes to trial.

 

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  posted on 10/15/2008 at 03:56 PM
Pretty much the same thing happened in Maryville a few years back. The kid died.

 

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  posted on 10/15/2008 at 03:57 PM
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A 14-year-old was struck with pellets, receiving injuries that were not life-threatening. He was taken to Spectrum Health Butterworth Hospital, where he is recovering from wounds to his chest, stomach and leg, police said.





When I was about 12-13, I lived within my Schwinn Sting Ray's riding distance of Crocker lake. On Private property, it was once part of the Estate that belonged to The Crocker bank family. About 6 or 7 miles from our Homes, we would ignore the PRIVATE PROPERTY signs clearly posted and ride up the dirt road toward the lake. The lure of the rope swing, the cool water on a hot summer's day was too much for my buddies and I to resist.

"STOP!" came the command one day as we emereged from the water. We ran, we ran like little girls towards our bikes. "BLAM"........that was the longest and most painful bike ride home I'd ever experienced. Rock Salt had "pierced" my posterior. I remember that like it was yesterday, by the time I arrived home, I was bleeding and in quite a bit of pain from the salt. As I told my tale to the family physician as he removed the little chunks of salt, he laughed and quipped to my Father, "I'll bet he won't go swimming there anymore"....

 

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  posted on 10/15/2008 at 04:07 PM
Swimming in a private pond is not a killing offense, either.

 

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  posted on 10/15/2008 at 04:08 PM
let the cops deal with the TPers, no sense getting yourself or someone else hurt over a prank.


shooting someone not already inside your home or not directly threatening someone is not cool.

If you are safe inside with a gun, yelling out an upstairs window: "I've called the police and I have a weapon" should deter anyone this side of a trained killer with a contract on you.



 

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  posted on 10/15/2008 at 04:13 PM
"Police said five teens were toilet-papering a home on the 900 block of Sherwin Street NE about 1 a.m. Sunday when the homeowner awoke and saw them.

Thinking the strangers were trying to break in, the homeowner fired three shots from a 12-gauge shotgun, police said."

Nothing good happens at 1 a.m.

I can't say as I blame the guy.

 

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  posted on 10/15/2008 at 04:30 PM
I'm with Ron, although bow season would have dramatically upped the degree of difficulity.

 

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  posted on 10/15/2008 at 04:39 PM
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"Police said five teens were toilet-papering a home on the 900 block of Sherwin Street NE about 1 a.m. Sunday when the homeowner awoke and saw them.

Thinking the strangers were trying to break in, the homeowner fired three shots from a 12-gauge shotgun, police said."

Nothing good happens at 1 a.m.

I can't say as I blame the guy.
What the story DOESN'T say is how close in proximity to the house the kids were. Were they TPing the house or some of the trees in the yard?

What the kids did, or were in the process of doing, was absolutely rotten. I guess the home owner deserves the benefit of the doubt, since there were five of them and one of him. But it they were out in the middle of the yard and weren't within 20 or 30 feet of the house, the guy should not have shot AT them. Just my opinion, though.

 

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  posted on 10/15/2008 at 04:49 PM
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Shooting at the boys was over the top. On the other hand, TPing someone's house/yard is not cool. I'd order them to freeze, and I might fire a warning shot if they tried to run, but no, TPing a house is not a killing offense.


I agree, hence the old school West Virginia reaction that BigV alluded to by firing rock salt into their ass.

 

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Shooting at the boys was over the top. On the other hand, TPing someone's house/yard is not cool. I'd order them to freeze, and I might fire a warning shot if they tried to run, but no, TPing a house is not a killing offense.


I agree, hence the old school West Virginia reaction that BigV alluded to by firing rock salt into their ass.


Northern California, I guess it shows how times have changed (60's)...my parents thought I was lucky because I had "No respect for private property"... The Doc was right.

 

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  posted on 10/15/2008 at 05:36 PM
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What the kids did, or were in the process of doing, was absolutely rotten.
The news story leaves a lot to the imagination. Don't know what it's like in other areas of the country but TP'ing of houses in Midwest can be common at this time of year especially due to high school football. I know with the highschool I attended the cheerleaders went out during homecoming week and TP'd the homes of the front-line Fball players. (anyway they do currently ... now that I'm thinking about it I don't know why they didn't do this with the opposing team) I view what the kids where doing as relatively harmless and the shooting as way over the top.

 

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  posted on 10/15/2008 at 05:45 PM
Should you shoot in this case? No. If the guy felt threatened in some way, call 911.

I think he needs to lighten up a bit.

 

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  posted on 10/15/2008 at 06:17 PM
No mention of the man's age either.

Kids better be glad they weren't in Texas.

 

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  posted on 10/15/2008 at 06:18 PM
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I'm with Ron, although bow season would have dramatically upped the degree of difficulity.



An arrow in the ass would probably hurt.

 

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  posted on 10/15/2008 at 06:19 PM
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There's no shortage of stories like these out there, but what got me was the line in bold.

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"I thought, 'What's going on? It's bowhunting season,'" he said.







Only poachers hunt at 1 a.m.

And they don't use a bow.

 

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  posted on 10/16/2008 at 09:27 AM
My kids TP houses, friends and family only. Then they go back the next day and clean up.

Anyone shooting or threatening my kids with a gun would have to deal with me and it would not be pleasant. Either me or my friend who is a State Trooper depending on how mad I was. It's toilet paper and soap, no rocks, no eggs, no dog crap set on fire on the front step. When this jackass saw me coming up his driveway, he's be smart to shoot first and ask questions later.

 

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  posted on 10/16/2008 at 09:29 AM
From what Ive heard I think he shot from around his garage. Still dont know if anybody will face charges
 

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Should you shoot in this case? No. If the guy felt threatened in some way, call 911.


Guess you didn't read article all the way through as it appears these that the shooter lives pretty far out in country. Wonder how long it would take 911 to respond? 20 or 30 minutes perhaps? Basically don't go messing with people or their property that live out in the country, as you're likely to get shot.

 

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Should you shoot in this case? No. If the guy felt threatened in some way, call 911.


Guess you didn't read article all the way through as it appears these that the shooter lives pretty far out in country. Wonder how long it would take 911 to respond? 20 or 30 minutes perhaps? Basically don't go messing with people or their property that live out in the country, as you're likely to get shot.



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  posted on 10/16/2008 at 10:09 AM
I would just tell them to get off my fuc%ing lawn............ like I tell everybody........

 

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  posted on 10/16/2008 at 10:14 AM
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I would just tell them to get off my fuc%ing lawn............ like I tell everybody........


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I would just tell them to get off my fuc%ing lawn............ like I tell everybody........


Voting for McCain then?

 

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