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  posted on 10/14/2008 at 03:28 PM
A couple of standard warnings about drug use back in the day were that:

A. use of soft drugs like pot would lead to harder drugs like heroin.

B. a drug user would turn to crime to support his/her "habit"

Just curious about if this turned out to be true?

Personally....sure, we experimented with 'harder' drugs like coke and acid, but managed to stay away from H.

Coke was alot of fun but the realization of it's price kept us away from being regular users. Thank goodness crack wasn't around when I was a kid....

I suppose just because we were doing illegal drugs made us criminals, but I never stole or robbed to get money to buy drugs. No, we worked to support our drug habits.

Just curious.

 
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  posted on 10/14/2008 at 03:32 PM
I smoked a lot of pot, tried other drugs, but never got into them. Never liked coke or any uppers. My taste ran more to quaaludes, etc. However, never got seriously into anything but pot (hash & thai sticks, etc.)

 

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  posted on 10/14/2008 at 03:42 PM
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I've smoked forests of weed, never touched anything else unless you count hash.


God I miss those little tinfoil wrapped squares you could get back in the seventies for $5 or $6. Hash should be legal but it would be the end of the beer industry I suppose.

 

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  posted on 10/14/2008 at 04:01 PM
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A couple of standard warnings about drug use back in the day were that:

A. use of soft drugs like pot would lead to harder drugs like heroin.

B. a drug user would turn to crime to support his/her "habit"

Just curious about if this turned out to be true?

Yes and/or No to both questions. From what I've observed it all depends on the person. Somebody that tries heroin will not necessarily make the choice to bow to it and there are a lot of people with one type of addiction or another who hold 'responsible' jobs. I think some of the answers to your questions may involve choice and a persons set of 'moral standards' (for lack of better word) and part may involve physiological and/or psychological state of the individual

 

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  posted on 10/14/2008 at 04:09 PM
It's weird being a parent now and rehearsing in my mind just how I'll deal with these questions when my kids get a little older... I think I'll probably have to be a total hypocrite!
 

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  posted on 10/14/2008 at 04:24 PM
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It's weird being a parent now and rehearsing in my mind just how I'll deal with these questions when my kids get a little older... I think I'll probably have to be a total hypocrite!
I know exactly what you mean, Pete. Already been through this with a few kids. The 'Do as I say not as I do' line does not go over so well (and feels ridiculous to say but you still seem to end up saying it in some form or another). And lying is usually not an option ... kids are smart ... they can usually pretty much guess what your past was like (but there is no way in he** I would disclose everything!!! ).

 

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  posted on 10/14/2008 at 04:33 PM
What lolasdeb said.
I used to work in a music presentation attached to a DARE program that was primarily focused on grades K-5 as an early intervention tool and had so many philosophical disagreements with the mentors and directors that I finally had to step away from it .
My main disagreement with it was them presenting nicotine and caffeine as "gateway" drugs in the presentations.
Nicotine and caffeine leads to alcohol leads to reefer leads to bank robbing heroin junkie was just way too much of a leap for me.
My argument was that identifying an addictive personality and gaining control of it at an early age was more important than demonizing some things (caffeine) that there was a good chance that a good majority of the kids we were presenting to were already addicted to and by that logic the same judgement could be made about high fructose corn syrup and refined white sugar.
Just to track back to the original post, the same mentality is being applied to drug programs today that was being used 40 years ago.

 

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  posted on 10/14/2008 at 04:42 PM
Flashbacks, what a scam!

 

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  posted on 10/14/2008 at 04:45 PM
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Flashbacks, what a scam!


Yeah, been waiting over 20 years.

 

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  posted on 10/14/2008 at 05:05 PM
A few of my friends from back in the day made the leap from Pot/Hash to Needles, but to me it was more of an indicment of them and not related to softer drugs leading to harder drugs.

 

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  posted on 10/14/2008 at 05:11 PM
I watched Reefer Madness, and I never wanted to touch the stuff......you mean some of you people actually tried drugs?

No wonder you all look like that guy in the movie.......

 

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  posted on 10/14/2008 at 05:23 PM
Hell, I never tried LSD because, back in the day, they said it would damage your chromosomes and you'd have birth defect babies.....swear to God!! That, and I watched a friend have a bad trip at a concert in '77 and spent the evening chasing him through the crowd while he projectile vomited.

The thing I have told my kids about getting high or drunk all the time is that it makes you lose your ambition. I have told them plainly that I wish I had a do over on my youth, but that fact is, we don't get a do over. I told them to get themselves prepared for adulthood the right way, and then they could do whatever they want, within reason, when they are responsible for themselves.

 

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  posted on 10/14/2008 at 05:30 PM
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Hell, I never tried LSD because, back in the day, they said it would damage your chromosomes and you'd have birth defect babies.....swear to God!! That, and I watched a friend have a bad trip at a concert in '77 and spent the evening chasing him through the crowd while he projectile vomited.



Don't have any kids, so we don't hve any clinical evidence on that one from me. But I do remember that going around. That and you really would have a tendency to jump from extreme heights.

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  posted on 10/14/2008 at 05:34 PM
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Hell, I never tried LSD because, back in the day, they said it would damage your chromosomes and you'd have birth defect babies.....swear to God!! That, and I watched a friend have a bad trip at a concert in '77 and spent the evening chasing him through the crowd while he projectile vomited.
I've also read that information, Dave, but have not seen evidence of birth defects in my 'control group' (although I have seen some minor bad trip evidence - minus the projectile vomiting). I think the bad trip thing had a lot to do with comfort levels and fear of the unknown.

[Edited on 10/14/2008 by lolasdeb]

 

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  posted on 10/14/2008 at 05:43 PM
I remmember that statement as well, did try it probably 6 times or so the little snoopy prints and microdots.

 

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  posted on 10/14/2008 at 05:57 PM
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back in the day, they said it would damage your chromosomes and you'd have birth defect babies.....swear to God!!

True dat!

I first tried acid after returning from Vietnam and was stationed at Ft. Ord in Monterey, Ca.
After a few months, my first wife suffered what the doctors called a "natural abortion"... where the fetus is so malformed that the body rejects it.

I thought "oh sh!t", now I've done it!

Turns out that was completely false.
Our problem was my exposure to agent orange.
Thank you uncle sam!

Also had some "bad acid"... acid laced with strictnine. Made you feel like your guts were being cut open with a dull rusty blade.
When I asked a dealer why they would put that in it, I was told that it "got you off better". Also that it was made by "the mob".
Turns out that the government was putting this sh!t out on the street to discourage its use.
Thanks, again, uncle sam!


Flashbacks?
Hell, if it wasn't for flashbacks, I wouldn't have any memory at all!

 

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  posted on 10/14/2008 at 06:39 PM
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Hell, I never tried LSD because, back in the day, they said it would damage your chromosomes and you'd have birth defect babies.....swear to God!! That, and I watched a friend have a bad trip at a concert in '77 and spent the evening chasing him through the crowd while he projectile vomited.

The thing I have told my kids about getting high or drunk all the time is that it makes you lose your ambition. I have told them plainly that I wish I had a do over on my youth, but that fact is, we don't get a do over. I told them to get themselves prepared for adulthood the right way, and then they could do whatever they want, within reason, when they are responsible for themselves.




"Hell, I never tried LSD because, back in the day, they said it would damage your chromosomes and you'd have birth defect babies".....

Same here...In my case,that did'nt happen....

 

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  posted on 10/14/2008 at 06:59 PM
there is no evidence linking weed use to harder drugs.


The scientific studies all show this.


the warnings are just more gov't lies

 

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  posted on 10/14/2008 at 09:06 PM
Alcohol is the biggest drug problem in this country.

(And I'm doin' my part)

[Edited on 10/15/2008 by Bird]

 

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  posted on 10/14/2008 at 09:10 PM
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I've smoked forests of weed, never touched anything else unless you count hash.


God I miss those little tinfoil wrapped squares you could get back in the seventies for $5 or $6. Hash should be legal but it would be the end of the beer industry I suppose.


HAHAHAHAHA.

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  posted on 10/14/2008 at 09:13 PM
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Flashbacks, what a scam!


Yeah, been waiting over 20 years.



I wish I had a receipt for a refund.

 

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  posted on 10/14/2008 at 09:18 PM
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I've smoked forests of weed, never touched anything else unless you count hash.


God I miss those little tinfoil wrapped squares you could get back in the seventies for $5 or $6. Hash should be legal but it would be the end of the beer industry I suppose.


HAHAHAHAHA.

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Anyone need instructions?


No instruction needed on this (though WBD's manufacturing of it might be nice). Back then, Sealtest made an ice cream called Heavenly Hash. First, the glass method, then have a large bowl of the Rocky Road-like treat. It was indeed heavenly.

 

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I used to work in a music presentation attached to a DARE program that was primarily focused on grades K-5 as an early intervention tool and had so many philosophical disagreements with the mentors and directors that I finally had to step away from it .
My main disagreement with it was them presenting nicotine and caffeine as "gateway" drugs in the presentations.
Nicotine and caffeine leads to alcohol leads to reefer leads to bank robbing heroin junkie was just way too much of a leap for me.
My argument was that identifying an addictive personality and gaining control of it at an early age was more important than demonizing some things (caffeine) that there was a good chance that a good majority of the kids we were presenting to were already addicted to and by that logic the same judgement could be made about high fructose corn syrup and refined white sugar.
Just to track back to the original post, the same mentality is being applied to drug programs today that was being used 40 years ago.


Not getting on your case, good for you for getting away from the DARE crap.

What a huge watse of time and money.

There has never been a credible study done that says the DARE program has any effect on whether or not a kid will use drugs.

NONE.

Looks great as a PR program though.

Take the dealer's money, but some cool cars and paint them up nice.

Put the cops on the street where they have to work, not in schools where it's coffee break time all day doing these programs.

Bottom line, it's a feel good bunch of horsesh!t.

 

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  posted on 10/15/2008 at 05:24 AM
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Alcohol is the biggest drug problem in this country.



Don't forget prescription drug abuse, their quite a number of modern day "Elvises" who don't think they have a drug problem simply because they can get their doctors to write them multiple RXs for some pretty powerful drugs.

 

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  posted on 10/15/2008 at 05:32 AM
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The thing I have told my kids about getting high or drunk all the time is that it makes you lose your ambition. I have told them plainly that I wish I had a do over on my youth, but that fact is, we don't get a do over. I told them to get themselves prepared for adulthood the right way, and then they could do whatever they want, within reason, when they are responsible for themselves.


Excellent advice my friend!

I have to run to the bank and make my mortgage payment....right after I take a nap and smoke some more hash.

 

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