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  posted on 10/13/2008 at 08:47 AM
This is exactly what we have to expect from an all democrat government. You want a side-order of Stalinism with your "hope" and "change" Comin' right up!

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BARONE: The coming liberal thugocracy
Michael Barone

"I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors," Barack Obama told a crowd in Elko, Nev. "I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face." Actually, Obama supporters are doing a lot more than getting into people's faces. They seem determined to shut people up.

That's what Obama supporters, alerted by campaign e-mails, did when conservative Stanley Kurtz appeared on Milt Rosenberg's WGN radio program in Chicago. Mr. Kurtz had been researching Mr. Obama's relationship with unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers in Chicago Annenberg Challenge papers in the Richard J. Daley Library in Chicago - papers that were closed off to him for some days, apparently at the behest of Obama supporters.

Obama fans jammed WGN's phone lines and sent in hundreds of protest e-mails. The message was clear to anyone who would follow Mr. Rosenberg's example. We will make trouble for you if you let anyone make the case against The One.

Other Obama supporters have threatened critics with criminal prosecution. In September, St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch and St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce warned citizens that they would bring criminal libel prosecutions against anyone who made statements against Mr. Obama that were "false." I had been under the impression that the Alien and Sedition Acts had gone out of existence in 1801-'02. Not so, apparently, in metropolitan St. Louis. Similarly, the Obama campaign called for a criminal investigation of the American Issues Project when it ran ads highlighting Mr. Obama's ties to Mr. Ayers.

These attempts to shut down political speech have become routine for liberals. Congressional Democrats sought to reimpose the "fairness doctrine" on broadcasters, which until it was repealed in the 1980s required equal time for different points of view. The motive was plain: to shut down the one conservative-leaning communications medium, talk radio. Liberal talk-show hosts have mostly failed to draw audiences, and many liberals can't abide having citizens hear contrary views.

To their credit, some liberal old-timers - like House Appropriations Chairman David Obey - voted against the "fairness doctrine," in line with their longstanding support of free speech. But you can expect the "fairness doctrine" to get another vote if Barack Obama wins and Democrats increase their congressional majorities.

Corporate liberals have done their share in shutting down anti-liberal speech, too. "Saturday Night Live" ran a spoof of the financial crisis that skewered Democrats like House Financial Services Chairman Barney Frank and liberal contributors Herbert and Marion Sandler, who sold toxic-waste-filled Golden West to Wachovia Bank for $24 billion. Kind of surprising, but not for long. The tape of the broadcast disappeared from NBC's Web site and was replaced with another that omitted the references to Mr. Frank and the Sandlers. Evidently NBC and its parent, General Electric, don't want people to hear speech that attacks liberals.

Then there's the Democrats' "card check" legislation that would abolish secret ballot elections in determining whether employees are represented by unions. The unions' strategy is obvious: Send a few thugs over to employees' homes - we know where you live - and get them to sign cards that will trigger a union victory without giving employers a chance to be heard.

Once upon a time, liberals prided themselves, with considerable reason, as the staunchest defenders of free speech. Union organizers in the 1930s and 1940s made the case that they should have access to employees to speak freely to them, and union leaders like George Meany and Walter Reuther were ardent defenders of the First Amendment.

Today's liberals seem to be taking their marching orders from other quarters. Specifically, from the college and university campuses where administrators, armed with speech codes, have for years been disciplining and subjecting to sensitivity training any students who dare to utter thoughts that liberals find offensive. The campuses that once prided themselves as zones of free expression are now the least free part of our society.

Obama supporters who found the campuses congenial and Mr. Obama himself, who has chosen to live all his adult life in university communities, seem to find it entirely natural to suppress speech they don't like and seem utterly oblivious to claims this violates the letter and spirit of the First Amendment. In this campaign, we have seen the coming of the Obama thugocracy, suppressing free speech, and we may see its flourishing in the four or eight years ahead.

• Michael Barone is a nationally syndicated columnist.


[Edited on 10/13/2008 by RBK]

 

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  posted on 10/13/2008 at 09:43 AM
We're taking over, and we're pissed.

You better find a good place to hide, RBK.

 

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  posted on 10/13/2008 at 09:54 AM
That reminds me, I need to buy some Alcoa aluminum stock.

 

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  posted on 10/13/2008 at 10:01 AM
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That reminds me, I need to buy some Alcoa aluminum stock.


I do believe that tinfoil hats will be all the rage in 2009.

 

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  posted on 10/13/2008 at 10:12 AM
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We're taking over, and we're pissed.

You better find a good place to hide, RBK.

Be careful what you wish for. We've seen what happens with one party rule these days. Do you really think the Dems will be so much wiser and more just than the Republicans? I imagine you do for now, but we'll see......

 

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  posted on 10/13/2008 at 11:40 AM
And the right wing is comprised of so many independent thinkers? Gimme a break. We've had almost eight years of Bush/Cheney....I think the country can survive a few years of Democrats in the white house.

 

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And the right wing is comprised of so many independent thinkers? Gimme a break. We've had almost eight years of Bush/Cheney....I think the country can survive a few years of Democrats in the white house.


But can our wallets. Hang on to your money folks especially you "small business" owners.

 

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Your wallet is doing so well now?

 

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  posted on 10/13/2008 at 12:17 PM
The Dems are going to steal your wallets! Better put a lock on your fridge too, I hear they're partial to Chardonnay.

 

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  posted on 10/13/2008 at 01:30 PM
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The Dems are going to steal your wallets! Better put a lock on your fridge too, I hear they're partial to Chardonnay.


Com'on you know that your taxes are going to go up. Its gonna be the Bill Clinton bait and switch on the middle class and all the "rich" people making more than 250k. And all you small business owners that don't make 7 mil a year nice big tax increase for you. And wait until the big bad corparte thugs get whats coming to them. Good times ahead.

 

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  posted on 10/13/2008 at 01:37 PM
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The Dems are going to steal your wallets! Better put a lock on your fridge too, I hear they're partial to Chardonnay.


Com'on you know that your taxes are going to go up. Its gonna be the Bill Clinton bait and switch on the middle class and all the "rich" people making more than 250k. And all you small business owners that don't make 7 mil a year nice big tax increase for you. And wait until the big bad corparte thugs get whats coming to them. Good times ahead.


Yea those big thugs who run and OWN the businesses YOU used TO WORK AT....

 

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  posted on 10/13/2008 at 01:38 PM
I don't pay much in taxes as it is (all those kids, ya know?). If they go up some, it's more than a fair trade-off for me. If there's a chance they will go to more worthwhile things than an un-winable war that we never had a reason to start, fine with me. Call me socialist (which you know damn well I'm not just by my profession), liberuuul, whatever, I don't care. I want a different regime. End of story.

 

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  posted on 10/13/2008 at 01:42 PM
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The Dems are going to steal your wallets! Better put a lock on your fridge too, I hear they're partial to Chardonnay.


Com'on you know that your taxes are going to go up. Its gonna be the Bill Clinton bait and switch on the middle class and all the "rich" people making more than 250k. And all you small business owners that don't make 7 mil a year nice big tax increase for you. And wait until the big bad corparte thugs get whats coming to them. Good times ahead.


Between the bailouts and the entitlement spending, you can't honestly believe that McCain isn't going to raise taxes? The bailout bill will cost every taxpayer $2,300 each regardless of party affiliation.

 

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The Dems are going to steal your wallets! Better put a lock on your fridge too, I hear they're partial to Chardonnay.


Com'on you know that your taxes are going to go up. Its gonna be the Bill Clinton bait and switch on the middle class and all the "rich" people making more than 250k. And all you small business owners that don't make 7 mil a year nice big tax increase for you. And wait until the big bad corparte thugs get whats coming to them. Good times ahead.


Dutch, first off, nice to see you again, it's been a long time.

Just want to say, I look at elections as being about a whole lot more than taxes. I agree with you a little here, in that I think Obama really needs to draw a distinction between individuals' taxes and small business taxes. If the 250K threshold he talks about is applied equally to individuals and small biz, then it's unfair and a job-killer. I would point out to him that it's also inconsistent with his good calls for making R&D and the alternative energy sector the next boom sector of our economy -- as many small businesses doing photovoltaics or other alternative R&D and marketing will no doubt be crossing the 250K per year threshold soon. He needs to revise that and make life easier for small businesses.

(Hell, I have a small biz on the side designing T-shirts, and if one of my designs hit and went big, I could plausibly have a good enough year to rake in 250K. Probably not, but it's a possible scenario, and I don't think I should bepenalized for one year of success...)

But judging the entire world through the lens of your personal bank account is not good citizenship either, and while I don't say that's necessarily what you're doing, I know I have a very reasonable "Lowell Weicker Republican" father in law who can't stand W on anything except taxes and yet voted for him twice, all the while sitting on huge amounts of $$. To me, that's selfish -- to actually believe Bush's waltzing w the Christian right was wrong, that his adventure in Iraq was the wrong use of our military, and that he was not a smart guy... but still pulling the lever because it meant more $$ at tax time for him personally. Tha seems narrow-focused to me, and a little oblivious to the fact that we're all in this together.

 

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You mean the coming COMPETENCE? The coming CAN-DO ATTITUDE? The Coming exercise of a modicum of FAIRNESS? The coming PUT OUR EYE BACK ON THE RIGHT TARGET? The coming RESPECTFUL WAY OF TALKING TO PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU? The coming REGULATION OF INDUSTRIES RUN AMOK? We have a lot of damage to undo, but there's onlyone presidential candidate who can start us in the right direction...


 

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The Dems are going to steal your wallets! Better put a lock on your fridge too, I hear they're partial to Chardonnay.


Com'on you know that your taxes are going to go up. Its gonna be the Bill Clinton bait and switch on the middle class and all the "rich" people making more than 250k. And all you small business owners that don't make 7 mil a year nice big tax increase for you. And wait until the big bad corparte thugs get whats coming to them. Good times ahead.

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  posted on 10/13/2008 at 02:23 PM
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We're taking over, and we're pissed.

You better find a good place to hide, RBK.

Be careful what you wish for. We've seen what happens with one party rule these days. Do you really think the Dems will be so much wiser and more just than the Republicans? I imagine you do for now, but we'll see......


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  posted on 10/13/2008 at 02:24 PM
Since bush took office, this country has been run into the f*cking ground. and whoever gets in as pres. will have their hands full cleaning up the debris.
 

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  posted on 10/13/2008 at 03:24 PM
As opposed to the existing conservative moronocracy.

 

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  posted on 10/13/2008 at 03:58 PM
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The Dems are going to steal your wallets! Better put a lock on your fridge too, I hear they're partial to Chardonnay.


Indeed they are.

Anybody here a small business owner? Perhaps a sole proprietorship as am I? It's very, VERY easy to move $250,000 through your books via payments from customers wherein most of said payment goes back out the door as a cost of doing business like paying suppliers and so on. I'm likely to net all of 15% of that $250K but BarryO wants to tax me on the whole enchilada as it ALL appears as income. This is one of the many dirty little secrets Comrade Barry is playing close to the vest.

 

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Indeed they are.

Anybody here a small business owner? Perhaps a sole proprietorship as am I? It's very, VERY easy to move $250,000 through your books via payments from customers wherein most of said payment goes back out the door as a cost of doing business like paying suppliers and so on. I'm likely to net all of 15% of that $250K but BarryO wants to tax me on the whole enchilada as it ALL appears as income. This is one of the many dirty little secrets Comrade Barry is playing close to the vest.



We are a sole proprietorship and I haven't found anything in support of the above statement. I'd be interested to read anything you might have that documents what you've written. Nothing I've read about Obama's tax plan gives me any cause for concern. Here is one part I found interesting:

"Provide Tax Relief for Small Businesses and Start Up Companies: Barack Obama and Joe Biden will eliminate all capital gains taxes on start-up and small businesses to encourage innovation and job creation. Obama and Biden will also support small business owners by providing a $500 “Making Work Pay” tax credit to almost every worker in America. Self-employed small business owners pay both the employee and the employer side of the payroll tax, and this measure will reduce the burdens of this double taxation. "

 

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Indeed they are.

Anybody here a small business owner? Perhaps a sole proprietorship as am I? It's very, VERY easy to move $250,000 through your books via payments from customers wherein most of said payment goes back out the door as a cost of doing business like paying suppliers and so on. I'm likely to net all of 15% of that $250K but BarryO wants to tax me on the whole enchilada as it ALL appears as income. This is one of the many dirty little secrets Comrade Barry is playing close to the vest.



We are a sole proprietorship and I haven't found anything in support of the above statement. I'd be interested to read anything you might have that documents what you've written. Nothing I've read about Obama's tax plan gives me any cause for concern. Here is one part I found interesting:

"Provide Tax Relief for Small Businesses and Start Up Companies: Barack Obama and Joe Biden will eliminate all capital gains taxes on start-up and small businesses to encourage innovation and job creation. Obama and Biden will also support small business owners by providing a $500 “Making Work Pay” tax credit to almost every worker in America. Self-employed small business owners pay both the employee and the employer side of the payroll tax, and this measure will reduce the burdens of this double taxation. "


"Obama and Biden will also support small business owners by providing a $500 “Making Work Pay” tax credit to almost every worker in America."

That's a lotta loot. Where's it going to come from?

 

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I'm likely to net all of 15% of that $250K but BarryO wants to tax me on the whole enchilada as it ALL appears as income.

Your response didn't address the original statement you made with proof of what you wrote.

 

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  posted on 10/13/2008 at 04:34 PM
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You mean the coming COMPETENCE? The coming CAN-DO ATTITUDE? The Coming exercise of a modicum of FAIRNESS? The coming PUT OUR EYE BACK ON THE RIGHT TARGET? The coming RESPECTFUL WAY OF TALKING TO PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU? The coming REGULATION OF INDUSTRIES RUN AMOK? We have a lot of damage to undo, but there's onlyone presidential candidate who can start us in the right direction...


Thanks, Pete! A breath of fresh air in the midst of the s**t slinging!!!

 

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  posted on 10/13/2008 at 08:52 PM
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Thanks, Pete! A breath of fresh air in the midst of the s**t slinging!!!


You know, Deb, that's why they pay me the big bucks. To be God's Little Gift of Sunshine!

 
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