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  posted on 10/10/2008 at 02:50 PM
Check out http://americanthinker.com/ , http://newsmax.com/ , and http://townhall.com/ ( http://townhall.com/columnists/ will link you to TH's whole range of columnists).

They're worthwhile alternatives to the MSM, since both link to a good number of Conservative writers, bloggers, and so on.

I figure that my posting this will bring on the usual nonsense refuting all Conservative authors as liars, disseminators of misinformation, bigots, and so on. But considering the general nature of Liberal disagreements, I won't be surprised.

Almost invariably, Liberals far outrank Conservatives in sheer numbers of angry, nasty, and vitriolic replies. (Michael Savage and Ann Coulter are the Conservatives that sound the angriest and most sarcastic, but they're a very small minority, and don't come close to some of the most vehement Libs that I've encountered -- here or in real life).

And I promise to visit this post often enough, and maybe even respond, so that the crybaby Whipping Post monitors won't accuse me of abandoning a thread I started.

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And for those who are "old school" paleo-conservative of the Pat Buchanan bent, you might want to check out this website. http://www.amconmag.com/ Btw, y'all might want to go through this "crash course" http://www.amconmag.com/bailout.html as American Conservative for quite some time as been publishing articles about what's likely to happen to the American economy. What's happening now, they saw it coming, and sad to say, they were way ahead of the curve. It's surprising how much "common sense" many of these articles make (especially if you start "digging deep" into this webste). Basically people need to start thinking of what's best for America and to hell with the goddamn "globalist crowd" who would sell off America for a "song and a dance" just so they could line their pockets. America needs to take care of America first, and the hell with the rest of the damn world. At one time America took care of itself, and didn't need foreign investiments. or foreign loans, or any of that BS, we were THE "export nation". And, unfortunately, we've let many of of out leaders convince us that we need to sell off America's manufactoring might, just so CEOs and stockholders could make huge profits, but what have we gain from it? Just the destrustion of the American middle and working class. And when that goes, our county goes. A service economy, which is what America is becoming, is basically going to end up being a "third world" economy. The 10% up top will do damn good, but everybody else will be pretty much f*cked. Granted, most of us won't see the full effect of these decisions, but our children will. Pretty f*ckin' sad the legacy they get left with.

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I always find it ironic when you try to stake out the high road in your posts and then instantly tell us, without provocation, that you think liberals are **** s.

 

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I always find it ironic when you try to stake out the high road in your posts and then instantly tell us, without provocation, that you think liberals are **** s.
That didn't take long, and it kind of demonstrates what I was getting at.

How did I try to stake out the moral high ground? All I did was to suggest alternatives. I never called liberals any kind of names. If you reread the post and think it through, I think you'll see this.

I said the pages were worthwhile alternatives. If you have a problem with that, it's yours exclusively. I don't

The last I saw, Whipping Post is a forum for ideas, and that provocation isn't a factor. If I broke a rule of some kind, I humbly apologize.

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How does it demonstrate what you were getting at? There's not a single nasty, uncivil thing in my post, as opposed to the "angry, nasty vitriolic" tendencies you ascribe to liberals before even receiving a single reply. I merely suggested irony.

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I figure that my posting this will bring on the usual nonsense refuting all Conservative authors as liars, disseminators of misinformation, bigots, and so on.


I find myself refuting conservative authors because I don't agree with them on nearly all issues save for government spending.

I get what you are saying and that you used the word "all" in that sentence for a reason.

 

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I always find it ironic when you try to stake out the high road in your posts and then instantly tell us, without provocation, that you think liberals are **** s.
That didn't take long, and it kind of demonstrates what I was getting at.

How did I try to stake out the moral high ground? All I did was to suggest alternatives. I never called liberals any kind of names. If you reread the post and think it through, I think you'll see this.

I said the pages were worthwhile alternatives. If you have a problem with that, it's yours exclusively. I don't

The last I saw, Whipping Post is a forum for ideas, and that provocation isn't a factor. If I broke a rule of some kind, I humbly apologize.

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Almost invariably, Liberals far outrank Conservatives in sheer numbers of angry, nasty, and vitriolic replies.
I would guess that this is what nitelite is referring to and it pretty much proves the point of his posts that allude to your habit of waving with one hand and pointing a finger with the other.

 

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I always find it ironic when you try to stake out the high road in your posts and then instantly tell us, without provocation, that you think liberals are **** s.


Yup - like clockwork.

Please Bill, name one liberal who would say that we should deport Muslims, or that autistic children are simply fatherless brats, as Michael Savage has said.

Name one liberal who would trash 9/11 widows as self-obsessed harpies who enjoyed their husband's deaths, or called a Senator a faggot, or said that the nation would be better if women didn't have the vote, or that Jews are simply imperfect Christians (ok, you probably like that one) as Ann Coulter has.

Name one liberal who defends the internment of Japanese people in WW2, as the hopelessly confused and self-loathing Michelle Malkin has.

I won't even bother to mention Jerome Corsi...

I could go on and on, but I won't. You make absurd statements and then pass them off as fact without bothering to put forth one bit of evidence to support them. Well I'm calling you out for complete and utter **** . Rush Limbaugh and the radical right quite literally invented this type of flapping head journalism during the Clinton years.

On the flip side, Al Franken was perhaps the first liberal to adopt the vitriolic tone of Rush, and he's so radical that he's about to be elected to the Senate in a very much 50/50 state.

So thanks for the links... Here are some of the high-minded items that popped up:

http://americanthinker.com/

"What is it about Democratic presidential candidates and terrorists?" Harold Kildow

"Why Obama's Communist Connections Are Not Headlines" Paul Kengor

"Sabotaging GOP rallies" (exposes the folks calling out "kill Obama" and such at McCain/Palin rallies as Liberal operatives... ha)

newsmax.com

"Obama’s High School Days: He Ran With Bad Crowd"

"French Official Scoffs at Idea of Negotiating With Iran" (we know how much conservatives love the French)

"Obama-Ayers Connection" (Dick Morris' previously WP-vetted, entertaining if unhinged screed)

townhall.com

Hewitt: Is Three Weeks Enough Time? (NO!)

Buchanan: Can McCain Still Win? (NO!)

Alright, that last one seems OK to me...

[Edited on 10/10/2008 by mglowenstein]
The Whipping Post is a forum for a wide range of opinions, not just those from one side. Not only that, but there's no restriction on what I, or anyone, may post. If you don't like what I put here, that's your issue -- not mine.

Did you see the part where I pretty much dismissed Michael Savage? I don't like him much, and while I agree with many of his opinions, I don't go a long with all. And I deplore his style.

Likewise, I more or less ruled out Ann Coulter for similar reasons.

You need serious work on your reading skills. You cite by name the two people I clearly indicated are not representative of the Conservative writers I appreciate. Do you have specific objections to the other columnists/bloggers whose names turned up? For example, your description of Michelle Malkin is little more than grade-school name-calling. Can you clarify and back up what you say, or are you just blowing smoke.

I don't know your state of mind, but you sound like the typically cliched angry liberal I was referring to.

BTW, I didn't write this to troll (as I'm sure will be the eventual accusation). I regularly see links from left and far left displayed here. There's nothing out of line with my pointing out a couple of nexuses (nexi?) for us Conservatives to study. If you don't like this, try addressing the issue point by point. Blanket condemnations are worthless.

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I could go on and on, but I won't. You make absurd statements and then pass them off as fact without bothering to put forth one bit of evidence to support them. Well I'm calling you out for complete and utter **** . Rush Limbaugh and the radical right quite literally invented this type of flapping head journalism during the Clinton years.
What on earth are you talking about? I simply referred to a couple of links and indicated that they're good "clearing houses" to find a wide range of Conservative blogs, etc. Can you identify even one of my "absurd statements" from the initial post?

Again, your post typifies the kind of anger that seems endemic on the Left.

Sigh

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I always find it ironic when you try to stake out the high road in your posts and then instantly tell us, without provocation, that you think liberals are **** s.
That didn't take long, and it kind of demonstrates what I was getting at.

How did I try to stake out the moral high ground? All I did was to suggest alternatives. I never called liberals any kind of names. If you reread the post and think it through, I think you'll see this.

I said the pages were worthwhile alternatives. If you have a problem with that, it's yours exclusively. I don't

The last I saw, Whipping Post is a forum for ideas, and that provocation isn't a factor. If I broke a rule of some kind, I humbly apologize.

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Almost invariably, Liberals far outrank Conservatives in sheer numbers of angry, nasty, and vitriolic replies.
I would guess that this is what nitelite is referring to and it pretty much proves the point of his posts that allude to your habit of waving with one hand and pointing a finger with the other.
Let's limit this to Whipping Post. Can you identify a few posts that match the general tenor of mglowenstein, SquatchTexas, or a handful of others? I stand by my original statement that I hear and read far more ornery comments from the Left than from the Right. Regardless of what you or others think, and I don't see a reason to re-evaluate my statement.

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I always find it ironic when you try to stake out the high road in your posts and then instantly tell us, without provocation, that you think liberals are **** s.
That didn't take long, and it kind of demonstrates what I was getting at.

How did I try to stake out the moral high ground? All I did was to suggest alternatives. I never called liberals any kind of names. If you reread the post and think it through, I think you'll see this.

I said the pages were worthwhile alternatives. If you have a problem with that, it's yours exclusively. I don't

The last I saw, Whipping Post is a forum for ideas, and that provocation isn't a factor. If I broke a rule of some kind, I humbly apologize.

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This is taken from your original post...
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Almost invariably, Liberals far outrank Conservatives in sheer numbers of angry, nasty, and vitriolic replies.
I would guess that this is what nitelite is referring to and it pretty much proves the point of his posts that allude to your habit of waving with one hand and pointing a finger with the other.
Let's limit this to Whipping Post. Can you identify a few posts that match the general tenor of mglowenstein, SquatchTexas, or a handful of others? I stand by my original statement that I hear and read far more ornery comments from the Left than from the Right. Regardless of what you or others think, and I don't see a reason to re-evaluate my statement.

Billastro
Well if you are talking about the Whipping Post only I just took a look at this page of thread topics and the anti-Obama threads (which do contain some nasty stuff) far outweighs the anti-McCain/Palin threads. Maybe you do
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read far more ornery comments from the Left than from the Right
but I don't think it's because of what's present in the WP - maybe it's the threads you are opening. I'm not trying to imply that I've only seen 'ornery' stuff from the Right - it's out there from both Right and Left.



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And for those who are "old school" paleo-conservative of the Pat Buchanan bent, you might want to check out this website. http://www.amconmag.com/ Btw, y'all might want to go through this "crash course" http://www.amconmag.com/bailout.html as American Conservative for quite some time as been publishing articles about what's likely to happen to the American economy. What's happening now, they saw it coming, and sad to say, they were way ahead of the curve. It's surprising how much "common sense" many of these articles make (especially if you start "digging deep" into this webste). Basically people need to start thinking of what's best for America and to hell with the goddamn "globalist crowd" who would sell off America for a "song and a dance" just so they could line their pockets. America needs to take care of America first, and the hell with the rest of the damn world. At one time America took care of itself, and didn't need foreign investiments. or foreign loans, or any of that BS, we were THE "export nation". And, unfortunately, we've let many of of out leaders convince us that we need to sell off America's manufactoring might, just so CEOs and stockholders could make huge profits, but what have we gain from it? Just the destrustion of the American middle and working class. And when that goes, our county goes. A service economy, which is what America is becoming, is basically going to end up being a "third world" economy. The 10% up top will do damn good, but everybody else will be pretty much f*cked. Granted, most of us won't see the full effect of these decisions, but our children will. Pretty f*ckin' sad the legacy they get left with.

[Edited on 10/10/2008 by sibwlkr]
Thanks for the pointers. I'm not familiar with either of these but will dig deeply into them, as you suggest.

I agree strongly with your central points in your response. Ideally it would be fine to take care of the others who are in need, but that's not our responsibility, at least at the governmental level.

I'm turning more and more to the Constitution (readily available online; I also have a pocket-sized version that's convenient) and am appalled at how far we've drifted from what we're supposed to be doing as a country, and at how deeply we've become embedded in areas where we have no business.

I'm not interested in living in "interesting times" but that's what we're stuck with.

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Regardless of what you or others think, and I don't see a reason to re-evaluate my statement.
Of course - re-evaluating your own statement would require critical thinking.

This is the paragraph I object to:

"Almost invariably, Liberals far outrank Conservatives in sheer numbers of angry, nasty, and vitriolic replies. (Michael Savage and Ann Coulter are the Conservatives that sound the angriest and most sarcastic, but they're a very small minority, and don't come close to some of the most vehement Libs that I've encountered -- here or in real life)."

I refuted it. I asked for some examples. You haven't responded except to whine about my tone. That's what you do - start threads and then when you're challenged on your points, you A) complain that we're close minded, B) call us angry, and C) make some silly blanket statement about Liberals & Conservatives that can't possibly be proved or disproved.
Commenting isn't whining, it's stating my observations. This isn't the only place where I encounter the attitudes I referred to. It's a very small part of the entirety of my political intake.
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Allow me to restate my Michelle Malkin point, since again, I've seemingly deeply offended your sensibilities. Michelle Malkin (an Asian woman) believes that the internment of Japanese Americans in camps during WW2 was justified. Agree or disagree? Care to name a Liberal author who would make a statement like that? Care to name a Liberal author that even approaches the level of nastiness that Malkin, Savage, Coulter, Limbaugh, Hannity et al approach? Just one is all I ask, since you seem to encounter so many "vehement (sic) Libs" in your studies.
You didn't offend me; very few people know how to do this. The ones who know how, wouldn't. The ones who luck out and manage, don't matter.

Your challenge is more difficult since I find it increasingly difficult to read liberal columnists, etc. I find them via http://realclearpolitics.com/ and maybe a few others. But after a paragraph or two I give up -- frankly, many of their philosophies are nearly impossible for me to swallow, let alone ponder.

I try reading The Nation, but it's not much better. As a Conservative I find many of their positions so wrong-headed that I ignore style and get repelled by the content. Slate, the NY Times, etc., and much of the MSM affect me the same way. Sorry.
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So, from the bottom of my heart, I apologize for being such a hateful person and bothering to respond to your post. I don't apologize for being fed up with your holier-than-thou attitude in the least, though, so you should probably get used to it.[Edited on 10/10/2008 by mglowenstein]
Assuming your apology is genuine, thanks. I don't think it is, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. However, I don't care what you think of my attitude, or what you call it. That's your business.

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There are a number of right leaning blogs that are extremely decent,albiet partisan. I would recommend powerlineblog.com, instapundit.com (more libertarian than conservative) and rogerlsimon.com (former leftist who has now moved to the center/right) American Thinker tends to publish very harsh, semi-extreme essays. Newsmax.com just links to all right wing bloggers and pundits. I frankly think the best source for seroius conservative view point remains nationalreview.com

 

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I would recommend
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I really try to get my information from non-biased internet sites and have never seen a left or right blog site. While not conservative biased, I visit places like thehill.com, government websites, Business Week, or major web news sites (yahoo, msn).

I did spend some time on this conservative website while following the "bailout plan". The Republican Study Committee, made up of 100+ House Republicans.
http://www.house.gov/hensarling/rsc/

The US House is the only place in Washington that still has some traditional conservative politicians.

Fred, I see you decided to come back to the WP. You do what you want, but I think you bring some good stuff to this forum if you can put aside some of your more personal feelings towards other people's opinions here. I do agree with your feelings on the US economic condition, the problem is finding many politicians who also do.

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I figure that my posting this will bring on the usual nonsense refuting all Conservative authors as liars, disseminators of misinformation, bigots, and so on.


I find myself refuting conservative authors because I don't agree with them on nearly all issues save for government spending.

I get what you are saying and that you used the word "all" in that sentence for a reason.


Because as I have mentioned before, Bill has a nasty side to him and this is way of gently stirring the pot to see who reacts. He knew that posting a crap like that would get a rise out of some folks here. Thankfully, most of us arent so dense that we dont see the hate that comes from the Right in waves. McCain embodies it. These folks are desperate, Bhawk.

 

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Bill, it seems to me that you could have posted this information without resorting to personal attacks on the other posters who disagree with you. Calling those who challege you "crybabies" before anyone has even responded to you seems sort of small for one who claims to try to emulate the life of Christ.

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I figure that my posting this will bring on the usual nonsense refuting all Conservative authors as liars, disseminators of misinformation, bigots, and so on.
I find myself refuting conservative authors because I don't agree with them on nearly all issues save for government spending.

I get what you are saying and that you used the word "all" in that sentence for a reason.
Because as I have mentioned before, Bill has a nasty side to him and this is way of gently stirring the pot to see who reacts. He knew that posting a crap like that would get a rise out of some folks here. Thankfully, most of us arent so dense that we dont see the hate that comes from the Right in waves. McCain embodies it. These folks are desperate, Bhawk.
As is usually the case, Squatch, you have no idea what you're talking about. You're smoke and mirrors, an attitude with a life support system -- nothing more. You make empty accusations, pretending to know more about others than they reveal here. You routinely call people liars, then rationalize your way around this. When you imply the hate that emanates from the Right, you venture beyond ignorance to downright stupidity, which I equate with willful ignorance (note, please, that I'm not calling you stupid. But your response is a good example of stupidity in action. As Einstein allegedly pointed out, "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has a limit.")

You claim that I have a nasty side. Care to back this up? Care to show me where your evidence comes from? Care to point out the myriad times I've called people liars, or similar insults? If not, please shut the hole in your face, figuratively speaking. I'll call you a blowhard because I think I can defend my position, but your empty assessment isn't worth the pixels it takes to express them.

Please crawl back under your flat rock. Now that you've weighed in and, as usual, demonstrated your ignorance, perhaps you'll find someone else to illuminate.

If I want to bring up a topic, I will, as will anyone else who starts a thread. I'm not accountable to you, or anyone else, as long as I abide by the basic rules. Whether I respond a little or a lot, revive a thread or wander away, I know of no rules of conduct that mandate my sticking around after I've made my point.

Part of intelligent discourse among adults includes dealing with unpopular opinions. If I, or another Conservative, starts a thread here, it's no different from bringing up a topic among consenting adults. If you don't like what I write here, that's your privilege. If you think I care what you think about my opinions or presentation, that's your delusion. Makes no difference to me.

You seem to have trouble with people who disagree with you and won't back down in the face of your predictable responses. As I've said before, you've become a parody of yourself, as I learned when I explored some of your earliest posts. Naturally, I wasn't going to plow through the endless glut, but I saw enough that I got a general impression of who you used to be, and how pathetically snarky you've become.

You might want to get out beyond the narrow confines of WP once in a while. If you're going to honk about your limited perceptions of my nature, check out the whole spectrum, and go beyond your tunnel vision. You might be surprised.

(I hope I wasn't too nasty for you. I treasure your inherent sensitivity and good will to all, and I fear that I may have somehow crossed a boundary, Gentle Squatch. Please be gentle yourself when you come snarling back at me. I'm fragile, delicate, and easily bruised .)

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Wow. No reply to my question, but paragraphs attacking ST.

I have to say, Bill, I think the only reason you started this thread was to provoke a response (as you admitted about another thread you started) so you could rant at a few of us like you did here. Seems kind of small, as I said before. I think your latest post is an excellent example of your nasty side.

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Wow. No reply to my question, but paragraphs attacking ST.

I have to say, Bill, I think the only reason you started this thread was to provoke a response (as you admitted about another thread you started) so you could rant at a few of us like you did here. Seems kind of small, as I said before. I think your latest post is an excellent example of your nasty side.

What Would Jesus Do?
Honestly, I didn't post to provoke -- honest. I've benefited from the websites I cited, and thought the other Conservatives might want a quick way to read from similar minds. Information and research are my stock in trade, and I wanted to pass the word. I found them by serendipity and didn't know how well known they'd be for the folks here, that's all.

I assumed that I'd get a number of critical responses, and wanted to acknowledge this up front. I honestly don't deliberately set out to trigger anyone, even though I know it happens. I don't think I'm responsible for the responses of others, but I don't want to keep my knowledge to myself.

As to my response to Squatch, I've really wearied of his responses. I don't mind that he disagrees with me, but when he starts publicly (mis)analyzing me (or segments of myself) or the reasons I do things, then he goes too far.

A while ago I PM'ed him about some of his belligerence and he replied thoughtfully, but eventually returned to his old ways. But when I read how he sounded at his beginning on WP, he really has changed, in my perception. Currently he seems to have a "take no prisoners" approach, and it's hard to exchange opinions with someone who approaches differences in the ways he does. I read his recent explanation as to why he calls other people liars, etc., and even there I saw a lot of unnecessary orneriness. Maybe I'm misperceiving, but I can't think of many occasions in which he's acknowledged he might be factually wrong, or when he's apologized for coming on too strong, or said that there might be more than one way of seeing something. If they're there, then I've missed them.

I'll acknowledge that I'm not as consistent as I want to be. I've ignored a number of snipes from various others here over the time I've been posting to WP. But I wanted to address a serious misstatement, one that's based on very narrow perception.

Your question about what Jesus would do is one of the most difficult ones we grapple with. I tried to keep my feelings out, but that's not always as easy as it sounds (and I did delete or reword significant parts. I rarely post lengthy first drafts here.) Read some of Jesus' responses to the Pharisees (who routinely and legalistically misrepresented God's word to people who would not have known the full picture) and you might get a better understanding of how I responded.

I'm not comparing myself to Jesus, but I do think that there are times for legitimate strong responses. This was one of them, and I didn't post the message lightly. I wanted to address some specifics I've seen in Squatch's postings and attitudes, and did so. Would I reword it? Probably. No matter what I write, or how many times I edit it, I always see aspects that I'd modify.

I'm not perfect by any means, and I know I have a lot of growing to do. But I'm getting there.

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  posted on 10/11/2008 at 10:20 AM
One of the things I've noticed about the majority of conservative talking heads is they talk loudly and nonstop, interrupting frequently trying to silence their critics by sheer volume and often times saying nothing. Anyone catch Bill Maher last night? The conservative panalist who writes for the wall street Journal was loud, obnixious and trying way too hard to be funny.....and then stated Palin is hot. Man, talk about insightful rhetoric.

 

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  posted on 10/11/2008 at 10:29 AM
We spend our time slinging rhetoric back in forth between liberals and conservatives, and while this is going on, our economy is in the worst shape it's been in since the great depression. We need to work together on solutions.
 

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  posted on 10/11/2008 at 10:34 AM
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One of the things I've noticed about the majority of conservative talking heads is they talk loudly and nonstop, interrupting frequently trying to silence their critics by sheer volume and often times saying nothing. Anyone catch Bill Maher last night? The conservative panalist who writes for the wall street Journal was loud, obnixious and trying way too hard to be funny.....and then stated Palin is hot. Man, talk about insightful rhetoric.


Steve Moore is on Real Time quite a bit. That's at least the fourth of fifth time I have seen him on that show in the last couple years. Anyway he actually must have a pretty good sense of humor to continually be a guest and get his brains beaten in over and over.

 

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  posted on 10/11/2008 at 10:36 AM
this SCB/squatch/Otie v. Billastro/DFC/Maconga thing reminds me of "Lord of the Flies".

there's one topic that binds all of you together yet separates you into splinters or factions and I'd bet, aside from that one topic, there's either not a whole lot in common between all of you or very much.

yet, personalities conflict because of differences, sides are taken... (and don't dare deny it) just like "Lord of the Flies"

I may be wrong about the Billastro/DFC/Maconga side of the equation but there's no doubt about the SCB/squatch/Otie side. It is what it is, there's no getting around it, it's there for all to see.

Which I find odd....I like the heck out of SCB and Otie (squatch, in my opinion, you take this wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too seriously, which doesn't make you a bad person necessarily, though your posts at times, can be quite condescending...) and I've exchanged ideas and thoughts and kudos to SCB and Otie a number of times. When SCB went to Nawlins and posted those updates, I was the first on board and admired the snot out of the dude and I still think he's an ok guy, political and sometimes religious differences aside. Why let politics and religion interfere with a friendship? I don't agree AT ALL with SCB or Otie politically but I get along with them just fine. I completely disagree with Otie as well on politics but have a total blast with the guy on this site, belly laughs.

I don't understand it......?

 

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  posted on 10/11/2008 at 11:24 AM
quote:
this SCB/squatch/Otie v. Billastro/DFC/Maconga thing reminds me of "Lord of the Flies".

there's one topic that binds all of you together yet separates you into splinters or factions and I'd bet, aside from that one topic, there's either not a whole lot in common between all of you or very much.

yet, personalities conflict because of differences, sides are taken... (and don't dare deny it) just like "Lord of the Flies"

I may be wrong about the Billastro/DFC/Maconga side of the equation but there's no doubt about the SCB/squatch/Otie side. It is what it is, there's no getting around it, it's there for all to see.

Which I find odd....I like the heck out of SCB and Otie (squatch, in my opinion, you take this wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too seriously, which doesn't make you a bad person necessarily, though your posts at times, can be quite condescending...) and I've exchanged ideas and thoughts and kudos to SCB and Otie a number of times. When SCB went to Nawlins and posted those updates, I was the first on board and admired the snot out of the dude and I still think he's an ok guy, political and sometimes religious differences aside. Why let politics and religion interfere with a friendship? I don't agree AT ALL with SCB or Otie politically but I get along with them just fine. I completely disagree with Otie as well on politics but have a total blast with the guy on this site, belly laughs.

I don't understand it......?
Sometimes topics get blown way out of proportion. Sometimes I realize in hindsight that I've contributed to some of this.

I try to keep my postings at face value with no hidden agendas. What you see is what I mean, with nothing between the lines. Once in a while I grit my teeth, once in a longer while I express myself. Once in a while I wind up blowing off some steam. Once in a while I speak my mind more freely than hindsight would tell me was prudent -- even after extensive editing.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if these interchanges took place face to face. More communication, less rancor, maybe even belly laughs. In the meantime, it would probably help if we could disagree with the statements ("Your statement, sir, is a lie of the first water") and hold off on the broad characterizations ("You are a liar without exception").

To quote Brother Duane:

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MANDEL: What have you learned from traveling across the country?
ALLMAN: That everything's&#8203; the same everywhere- that there are nice folks and a$$holes, and you have to learn to distinguish between the two in order to get by. And someone who's an a$$hole to somebody may be a nice folk to somebody else, so you've got to learn to be nice to everybody and show everybody respect. That's the only way people respect you. You've got to have mutual respect and a little bit of love if you can round it up. And don't be afraid to share what's inside of you with other people. That's the only way you're ever going to get free, or have any fun at all. So just rock on, and have a good time. If iI have a choice between having a good time and a shi++y time, I'm going to have me a good time, because I've had enough shi++y times.

Ideally (which means I haven't achieved this so I'm still working on it) our interactions should come down to
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'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' (from Luke 10:27).
I'm reasonably confident that some will call me self righteous or a hypocrite. For the first, I don't claim to own the truth, but I know where to find it. For the second, I'm not deliberately a hypocrite, but I can stumble and fall hard on my glutei maximi sometimes.

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