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  posted on 10/9/2008 at 11:51 AM
No doubt our best and brightest will dismiss this out of hand, blaming the messenger. Why? Because it's true and it's indefensible.

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THE OBAMA-AYERS CONNECTION
By DICK MORRIS
October 7, 2008

In the best tradition of Bill Clinton’s famous declaration that the answer to the question of whether or not he was having an affair with Monica depended on “what the definition of ‘is’ is,” Barack Obama was clearly splitting hairs and concealing the truth when he said that William Ayers was “just a guy who lives in my neighborhood.”

The records of the administration of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), released last week by the University of Illinois, show that the Ayers-Obama connection was, in fact, an intimate collaboration and that it led to the only executive or administrative experience in Obama’s life.

After Walter Annenberg’s foundation offered several hundred million dollars to American public schools in the mid-’90s, William Ayers applied for $50 million for Chicago. The purpose of his application was to secure funds to “raise political consciousness” in Chicago’s public schools. After he won the grant, Ayers’s group chose Barack Obama to distribute the money. Between 1995 and 1999, Obama distributed the $50 million and raised another $60 million from other civic groups to augment it. In doing so, he was following Ayers’s admonition to grant the funds to “external” organizations, like American Community Organizations for Reform

Now (ACORN) to pair with schools and conduct programs to radicalize the students and politicize them.
Can McCain Stop Obama? Reading, math and science achievement tests counted for little in the CAC grants, but the school’s success in preaching a radical political agenda determined how much money they got.

Barack Obama should have run screaming at the sight of William Ayers and his wife, Bernadette Dohrn. Ayers has admitted bombing the U.S. Capitol building and the Pentagon, and his wife was sent to prison for failing to cooperate in solving the robbery of a Brink’s armored car in which two police officers were killed. Far from remorse, Ayers told The New York Times in September 2001 that he “wished he could have done more.”

Ayers only avoided conviction when the evidence against him turned out to be contained in illegally obtained wiretaps by the FBI. He was, in fact, guilty as sin.

That Obama should ally himself with Ayers is almost beyond understanding. The former terrorist had not repented of his views and the education grants he got were expressly designed to further them.

So let’s sum up Obama’s Chicago connections. His chief financial supporter was Tony Rezko, now on his way to federal prison. His spiritual adviser and mentor was the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, of “God damn America” fame. And the guy who got him his only administrative job and put him in charge of doling out $50 million is William Ayers, a terrorist who was a domestic Osama bin Laden in his youth.

Even apart from the details of the Obama/Ayers connection, two key points emerge:

a) Obama lied and misled the American people in his description of his relationship with Ayers as casual and arm’s-length; and

b) Obama was consciously guided by Ayers’s radical philosophy, rooted in the teachings of leftist Saul Alinksy, in his distribution of CAC grant funds.

Since Obama is asking us to let him direct education spending by the federal government and wants us to trust his veracity, these are difficulties he will have to explain in order to get the votes to win.

Now that Obama is comfortably ahead in the polls, attention will understandably shift to him. We will want to know what kind of president he would make. The fact that, within the past 10 years, he participated in a radical program of political education conceptualized by an admitted radical terrorist offers no reassurance.

Why did Obama put up with Ayers? Because he got a big job and $50 million of patronage to distribute to his friends and supporters in Chicago. Why did he hang out with Jeremiah Wright? Because he was new in town, having grown up in Hawaii and Indonesia and having been educated at Columbia and Harvard, and needed all the local introductions he could get to jump-start his political career. Why was he so close to Rezko?

Because he funded Obama’s campaigns and helped him buy a house for $300,000 less than he otherwise would have had to pay.

Not a good recommendation for a president.

 

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Barack Hussein Obama ,,,what a slime wad !!!

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What Luke said before he edited was he hoped a bowling ball would fall out of the sky on Obama's head. Guess he thought about the stupidity of a statement like that. To wish harm to anyone like this speaks for itself as to what kind of person he is.

Conversely Luke, I hope you live a long, healthy life.

 

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  posted on 10/9/2008 at 12:08 PM
Any comment on BarryO's aquaintence he "met once"?

 

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  posted on 10/9/2008 at 12:14 PM
You are right RBK. Considering it's from Dick Morris it doesn't carry much weight. Betcha didn't even know what ACORN was before yesterday! I know I didn't.

OK Obama served on a board with Ayers. They live in the same neighborhood. So what! There's no evidence that Ayers ever tried to influence Obama as to his past radical ways. The Dem's brought it up in the primaries running against Obama and it died. Rev Wright came up months ago and it died. It's old news and the only people that care aren't voting for Obama anyway. If all this had been brought up NOW for the first time it may have had some impact. I'm sure the McCain camp will bring up Rezko as soon as the Ayers thing dies the 2nd time. It will be on the news a day or two and it will die also.

Of course if you want to bring up associations and how they influenced the candidates no one has been influenced more than John McCain. And of course you know that influence was by Charles Keating. I guess you'll say he wasn't convicted and censured or whatever...well sure...the Senate rarely does anything to their own.

 

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  posted on 10/9/2008 at 12:17 PM
If this is such an important damaging relationship, why didn't McCain mention it once in the two debates? Because he knows it's a loser of an argument. Repeat after me, President Obama!

 

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Halting aerial bombardment in Vietnam for a few days must have saved thousands of lives. Nice work Bill.



And could have very well gotten our servicemen killed, seeing as many of them relied on air support when they were on the ground fighting for their lives. I don't give a **** about the Obama connection, but to defend Ayers and his actions is **** ing moronic. The guy is a piece of **** . I guess Hitler also did some good too huh?

 

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Demean. Debase. Deflect. Deny. Everything but address the facts in the article. Whoodathunkit?

 

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Halting aerial bombardment in Vietnam for a few days must have saved thousands of lives. Nice work Bill.



And could have very well gotten our servicemen killed, seeing as many of them relied on air support when they were on the ground fighting for their lives. I don't give a **** about the Obama connection, but to defend Ayers and his actions is **** ing moronic. The guy is a piece of **** . I guess Hitler also did some good too huh?


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Factcheck.org was founded in 1994, by the Annenberg Public Policy Center, which is funded by the Annenberg Foundation.

The Annenberg Foundation is a philathropic fund established by the late Walter Annenberg, a billionaire, media mogul, and former ambassador who served under Nixon. He was close friends with the Reagans. He was considered perhaps America's greatest philanthropist.

In 1995, Bill Ayers won a grant from the Foundation for over $49 million dollars to help the schools in Chicago over a five year period. Obama was named to the board to help oversee the distribution of the grant money for projects.


One could ask why the Annenberg Foundation gave Ayers a 49 million dollar grant. Annenberg's widow is a supporter of McCain. It is an intriging connection because why would a high level and well connected Republican group have given Ayers this amount of money?

 

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  posted on 10/9/2008 at 12:41 PM
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Demean. Debase. Deflect. Deny. Everything but address the facts in the article. Whoodathunkit?


Where is the link for the Bush/Gore poll? Did you lie about that so you could set up whatever point you were trying to make? POST the POLL.

 

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  posted on 10/9/2008 at 12:45 PM
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Demean. Debase. Deflect. Deny. Everything but address the facts in the article. Whoodathunkit?


First of all, what facts? You just posted a diatribe by one of the most vocal Obama-haters out there, and in any case Dick Morris wouldn't know a "fact" if it bit him in the arse.

Second of all, this issue has already been discussed at length in this forum so most people may feel like they already gave their $.02 on the subject. Starting another thread was just a waste of everyone's time.

[Edited on 10/9/2008 by gondicar]

 

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When Bill Ayers and Barack Obama met, Ayers was a college professor who was working on a board to improve education in the city of Chicago. Obama was eight years old when Ayers was involved in the Pentagon bombing. I see this as a non-issue.

And for the record, John McCain is 'good friends' (his own words) with G. Gordon Liddy, the man who planned the break in at the Watergate hotel. Now here's a question for you: who's more dangerous, a sixties radical whose bombing of the Pentagon led to no deaths or someone who attempts to help the President break the law and smear his enemies with illegally obtained information? Just a thought.

 

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Halting aerial bombardment in Vietnam for a few days must have saved thousands of lives. Nice work Bill.



And could have very well gotten our servicemen killed, seeing as many of them relied on air support when they were on the ground fighting for their lives. I don't give a **** about the Obama connection, but to defend Ayers and his actions is **** ing moronic. The guy is a piece of **** . I guess Hitler also did some good too huh?


Except he didn't get our servicemen killed. Bill Ayers has never killed anyone. Bill Ayers is not a terrorist.


Not a terrorist? Were those not real bombs? Was it not Ayers who in recent years bemoaned that he "didn't do enough"? You guys aren't rational. Is that what it takes to vote Obama? A seething, bitter hatred that renders you nominally unhinged?

 

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So then I guess you are one of those people that agree with blowing up abortion clinics to stop abortion? And I suppose the Unibomber was a viable member of society too because he helped save everyone from the ills of technology?

Bombed the NYPD headquarters in 1970, bombed the Capitol in 1971 and bombed the Pentagon in 1972. I would love to hear his, and perhaps yours, on how bombing the NYPD headquarters or Capitol building also saved lives.

He is either a terrorist or a sociopath. Either way, he is lower than whale **** in my book.

 

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So then I guess you are one of those people that agree with blowing up abortion clinics to stop abortion? And I suppose the Unibomber was a viable member of society too because he helped save everyone from the ills of technology?

Bombed the NYPD headquarters in 1970, bombed the Capitol in 1971 and bombed the Pentagon in 1972. I would love to hear his, and perhaps yours, on how bombing the NYPD headquarters or Capitol building also saved lives.

He is either a terrorist or a sociopath. Either way, he is lower than whale **** in my book.


And what do any of these acts have to do with Obama?

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So then I guess you are one of those people that agree with blowing up abortion clinics to stop abortion? And I suppose the Unibomber was a viable member of society too because he helped save everyone from the ills of technology?

Bombed the NYPD headquarters in 1970, bombed the Capitol in 1971 and bombed the Pentagon in 1972. I would love to hear his, and perhaps yours, on how bombing the NYPD headquarters or Capitol building also saved lives.

He is either a terrorist or a sociopath. Either way, he is lower than whale **** in my book.


And what do any of these acts have to do with Obama?

[Edited on 10/9/2008 by Chain]


They were conducted by one of BarryO's primary sponsors. Ayers hasn't changed and BarryO is his surrogate.

 

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And what do any of these acts have to do with Obama?



Nothing. I sort of said that in one of my previous posts, as I don't care if there is or was a connection. Everyone has shady connections from their past. I take issue with some saying that Ayers himself is not a terrorist. The guy bombs institutions when he doesn't get his way. He's no better than Hamas. Just my opinion of course.

 

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"(unlike today, where our wars are fought by the lower classes and thus we as citizens don't take to the streets en masse to protest when they keep sending them home in coffins),"

How do you expect to be taken seriously when you spout nonsense like this? In Nam nobody BUT the "lower classes" fought that war. There was a draft but you could get a deferment for any number of reasons including being able to afford college.

Today's armed services are all volunteer and many who do take advantage of college and come, willfully, from all walks of life. Ayers isn't in prison because the FBI cocked up their case against him. The proverbial "technicality."

Ayers was and IS an anti-American. Obama is his surrogate. If you defend or support either you are likewise anti-American - but perhaps to naive to realize it.

 

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Any comment on BarryO's aquaintence he "met once"?
Yeah, learn how to spell and you might be taken seriously someday.

 

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Nothing. I sort of said that in one of my previous posts, as I don't care if there is or was a connection. Everyone has shady connections from their past. I take issue with some saying that Ayers himself is not a terrorist. The guy bombs institutions when he doesn't get his way. He's no better than Hamas. Just my opinion of course.


Ok, heres the deal... RBK is a lying troll, but you arent so Ill respond to you with this. The charges against Ayers were dropped. He was never convicted of harming anyone. Hell, the Weathermen blew up more of their own people than they did anyone else. Point is though, the Ayers/Obama relationship is far less solid than say McCain/Keating or his association with various other human trash like Hagee and Parsley. Ayers is very clear in his ideals from 40 years ago and his commentary of "didnt do enough" is almost always used by people like Derek and RBK out of context since its part of the larger statement where Ayers said "I felt we didnt do enough to end the war". Ive had to correct Derek several times over that, but of course it doesnt stop a determined liar. RBK isnt worth the time to explain it to as he doesnt care about the facts of a matter. Anyway, nobody is defending Ayers, and the others are right..this topic has been discussed a million times already and its been investigated by a number of news agencies and there simply isnt anything there beyond what we already know. This story is the last great hope of people like RBK.

 

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unlike today, where our wars are fought by the lower classes and thus we as citizens don't take to the streets en masse to protest when they keep sending them home in coffins),


We are getting off topic now, but this statement is misleading. I see this argument all the time. Our military is made up of volunteers as you know, they are not victims. Its funny how they are portrayed as such when many of them are doing exactly what they want to be doing, whether it be for an education, they have no other choice, or they like the idea of service. The military accurately reflects the demographics of this country. They are similar to the youth population of this country. Of course you aren't going to have hundreds of thousands of rich kids fighting, there aren't that many rich folk out there. Most of the country is middle of the road folks or poor. Hence, the military is made up of those people with a few rich folks thrown in there.


Why isn't Ayers in prison? I think I remember reading somewhere it was due to improper surveillance. With that reasoning though, why wasn't OJ in prison after the first double murder? Just because you ain't in prison doesn't mean you ain't guilty. I guess the better question for Ayers is why did he go on the run for 10 years if he was so innocent?

 

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And what do any of these acts have to do with Obama?



Nothing. I sort of said that in one of my previous posts, as I don't care if there is or was a connection. Everyone has shady connections from their past. I take issue with some saying that Ayers himself is not a terrorist. The guy bombs institutions when he doesn't get his way. He's no better than Hamas. Just my opinion of course.


I would like to go on record that I have absolutely no shady connections from my past. I want to make it absolutely clear because I'm anticipating a telephone call from the Obama camp the day after the election and being asked to serve as his Drug Czar.......

 

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I would like to go on record that I have absolutely no shady connections from my past. I want to make it absolutely clear because I'm anticipating a telephone call from the Obama camp the day after the election and being asked to serve as his Drug Czar.......


First sign is denial!! ;-)

 

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How do you expect to be taken seriously when you spout nonsense like this? In Nam nobody BUT the "lower classes" fought that war. There was a draft but you could get a deferment for any number of reasons including being able to afford college.



LMFAO...you take others to task for spouting nonsense, and then in the very next sentence proceed to prove that you are the king of spouting nonsense.

 

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Obama is his surrogate.


"is" - that's present tense. Please post factual information that right now, today, Ayers is tied to Obama in any way, shape or form.

 

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Alaskan Independence Party: The Last Refuge of a Scoundrel
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Posted October 9, 2008 | 11:28 AM (EST)

In 2004, America's malleable mainstream media allowed itself to be manipulated by artful Republican operatives into devoting weeks of broadcast attention and drums of ink to unfairly desecrating John Kerry's genuine Vietnam heroics while obligingly muzzling serious discussion of George W. Bush's shameful wartime record of evasion and cowardice.

Last week found the American media once again boarding Republican swift boats against this season's Democratic candidate armed with unfair and hypocritical attacks artfully designed by GOP strategists to distract attention from the cataclysmic outcomes of Republican governance. Vice Presidential hopeful Sarah Palin has taken to faulting Senator Barack Obama for his casual acquaintance with a respected Illinois educator Bill Ayers, who forty years ago was a member of the Weathermen, a movement active when Obama was eight and which he has denounced as "detestable." Palin argues that the relationship proves that Obama sees "America as being so imperfect that he is palling around with terrorists who would target their own country."

The Times dedicated a page one article to Obama's relations with Ayers and CNN's Anderson Cooper obliged Palin by rewarding her reckless accusations about Obama's patriotism with a major investigative report. Fox, meanwhile, is still riveting its audience with wall to wall coverage of this pressing irrelevancy.

But if McCarthy-era guilt-by-association is once again a valid political consideration, Palin, it would seem, has more to lose than Obama. Palin, it could be argued, following her own logic, thinks so little of America's perfection that she continues to "pal around" with a man--her husband, actually--who only recently terminated his seven-year membership in the Alaskan Independence Party. Putting plunder above patriotism, the members of this treasonous cabal aim to break our country into pieces and walk away with Alaska's rich federal oil fields and one-fifth of America's land base--an area three-fourths the size of the Civil War Confederacy.

AIP's charter commits the party "to the ultimate independence of Alaska," from the United States which it refers to as "the colonial bureaucracy in Washington." It proclaims Alaska's 1959 induction as a state "as illegal and in violation of the United Nations charter and international law."

AIP's creation was inspired by the rabidly violent anti-Americanism of its founding father Joe Vogler, "I'm an Alaskan, not an American," reads a favorite Vogler quote on AIP's current website, "I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." According to Vogler AIP's central purpose was to drive Alaska's secession from the United States. Alaska, says current Chairwoman Lynette Clark, "should be an independent nation."

Vogler was murdered in 1993 during an illegal sale of plastic explosives that went bad. The prior year, he had renounced his allegiance to the United States explaining that, "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government." He cursed the stars and stripes, promising, "I won't be buried under their damned flag...when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home." Palin has never denounced Vogler or his detestable anti-Americanism.

Palin's husband Todd remained an AIP party member from 1995 to 2002. Sarah can be described in McCarthy-era palaver as a "fellow traveler." While retaining her Republican registration, she attended the AIP's 1994 convention where the party called for a draft constitution to secede from the United States and create an independent nation of Alaska. The McCain Campaign has reluctantly acknowledged that she also attended AIP's 2000 Convention. She apparently found the experience so inspiring that she agreed to give a keynote address at the AIP's 2006 convention and she recorded a video greeting for this year's 2008 convention. In other words, this is not something that happened when she was eight!

So when Palin accuses Barack of "not seeing the same America as you and me," maybe she is referring to an America without Alaska. In any case, isn't it time the media start giving equal time to Palin's buddy list of anti-American bombers and other radical associates?

 

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