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  posted on 9/29/2008 at 03:50 PM
I'm seeing posts that I'm stocking up on this and that. I've got 24 gallons of gas etc.

Are you getting enough supplies to last 10 years? That's about how long the Great depression lasted.

The mess didn't happen over night and ain't gonna get fixed in just a couple weeks.

The panic mentality isn't going to help anything and may even make matters worse. In some areas people are buying gas when they really don't need it and helping to create a shortage.

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  posted on 9/29/2008 at 04:00 PM
There are certain things that people can stock up on that will last a while and some emergency supplies to have on hand. Beyond that, there are a few other things people can do to go through what happened in the 30s. There's no way we can stock up on 10 years worth of goods, but we can learn to do without a lot of the 'convenience' things we have today. If you want examples, just let me know.

 

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  posted on 9/29/2008 at 04:34 PM
I always have things on hand.

My point being is that you better be like hank Jr and be able to "skin a buck and run a trot line"

I don't know how many quarts of beans I put up this year or how many pounds of tomatoes I put up. Plus squash and other vegetables. I was thinking about getting a couple chickens when eggs hit $2 a dozen and may still.

I live without 'convenience' things, I haven't had a full time job in 15 months and live off a part time job and the few photos I sell and the food I raise.

 

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  posted on 9/29/2008 at 04:34 PM
Its certainly reasonable to guard against being too extreme with the "hunker down" mentality. But it would also be a bit foolish to not take some precautions.

I think the balance is to be prepared for an initial shock that could put the services we take for granted off line for a few weeks, or possibly a few months. Mainly, that would be food availability and drinkable water. You can survive most other things by making adjustments, but food and water are absolute necessities. I think that 98% of our fellow citizens wouldn't survive more than 3-4 days if they could go to the grocery store and have thousands of products to choose from.

Even during the depression, goods and services might have been tight, but they were available.

And what's the worst that could happen if you stocked up? In the event of a crash, a barter economy would quickly establish itself, and your "extras" could become a valuable trading commodity for other stuff you might need.

 

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  posted on 9/29/2008 at 04:38 PM
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Campbell's Soup Company stock is up nearly 0.5% today...


see, there's still money to be made

 

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  posted on 9/29/2008 at 04:43 PM
Here's some things to think about....soap (I don't know how to make it from scratch) toilet paper, shampoo, conditioner and shaving supplies. Tea towels and dishcloths, dishwashing liquid, handkerchiefs, cloth diapers and laundry supplies. I have a canning pot I use for distilling water, clorox to purify rainwater if necessary, a charcoal grill and wood. Matches, adequate clothing and shoes to last a while (Mom had a story about having to make shoe soles out of cardboard, .......anyone else think of any other things? Of course food staples to last a few weeks as mentioned previously. I expect there would be food, but if there's a big rush, it might take a while.

Oh, and you might want to make friends with able bodied neighbors in hopes of starting a community garden. I don't know if this year is out of the ordinary, but people are telling me it is, but canning jars are flying off the shelves.

 

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  posted on 9/29/2008 at 04:45 PM
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I always have things on hand.

My point being is that you better be like hank Jr and be able to "skin a buck and run a trot line"

I don't know how many quarts of beans I put up this year or how many pounds of tomatoes I put up. Plus squash and other vegetables. I was thinking about getting a couple chickens when eggs hit $2 a dozen and may still.

I live without 'convenience' things, I haven't had a full time job in 15 months and live off a part time job and the few photos I sell and the food I raise.


That's all great, Bill, but if that is your point, why didn't you say it in your original post? All I see there is putting down people talking about doing the same thing you are doing.

Just sayin'..

 

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  posted on 9/29/2008 at 04:46 PM
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I don't know if this year is out of the ordinary, but people are telling me it is, but canning jars are flying off the shelves.


I believe that, some seed companies reported a seed shortage this year

 

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  posted on 9/29/2008 at 04:49 PM
I do not see a thing wrong with stocking up on emergency items. Water, propane, firewood, batteries, canned food. If you have a family, if you have grandkids, to me its a very very smart thing to do. I live the simple life, it doesn't take much for my family and I to get by. Winter is on the way, all it takes for our grocery shelves to empty is a big snow or ice storm. Call it panic? I call it smart. Life is taking us where it wants too. You gotta be prepared.




Better buy some of the Campbell's soup stock, cause if the #### does hit the fan, it should go up.

 

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  posted on 9/29/2008 at 04:58 PM
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I don't know if this year is out of the ordinary, but people are telling me it is, but canning jars are flying off the shelves.
I believe that, some seed companies reported a seed shortage this year
I think a lot of the gardens that have sprung up which have used these resources have been in response to the economy, though ... people attempting to conserve finances v.s. set themselves up for possible tragedy.

I keep a small stock of canned items at home - mostly things I purchase on sale or with coupons. Being single, I don't require a lot to get by and I live fairly simply. Have gone without water and electricity either due to flooding or storms and have always gotten by.

 

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  posted on 9/29/2008 at 05:02 PM
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I always have things on hand.

My point being is that you better be like hank Jr and be able to "skin a buck and run a trot line"

I don't know how many quarts of beans I put up this year or how many pounds of tomatoes I put up. Plus squash and other vegetables. I was thinking about getting a couple chickens when eggs hit $2 a dozen and may still.

I live without 'convenience' things, I haven't had a full time job in 15 months and live off a part time job and the few photos I sell and the food I raise.


That's all great, Bill, but if that is your point, why didn't you say it in your original post? All I see there is putting down people talking about doing the same thing you are doing.

Just sayin'..


The only put down I had there was "I have 24 gallons of gas". And we know who posted that.

I just see a lot of panic mentality. I'm just saying that if the sh!t hits the fan this is going to be a long term deal.

You should have some back up, you don't know when weather or another natural disaster may hit. I just went a week where 75% of the Louisville area had no power and panic mentality made matters worse.
on a side note
This thread gets a lot of responses because I put a somewhat controversial spin. I started athread the other day with an idea for the bailout. Nothing controversial but it only got 18 views and no comments.

 

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  posted on 9/29/2008 at 05:12 PM
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You should have some back up, you don't know when weather or another natural disaster may hit. I just went a week where 75% of the Louisville area had no power and panic mentality made matters worse.



yep, we got hit with %90 electric out, but more complaints for those whose electric wasn't back on more than anything. We still aren't %100.

By the way, Bill, being on the Ohio River and with Northern Kentucky being the bottom half (geographically, of course, as I love the state of Kentucky) of the Greater Cincinnati area, we get all of the Kentucky election ads. There is the TV ad for Mitch McConnell who is supposed to be a conservative republican yet his ads compares him to Alben Barkley then bragging that he brought 7 million dollars of pork to Louisville, 4.2 million dollars to the Greater Cincinnati Airport, and so on listing the millions of dollars he brought back from Washington? Then again, they are ripping Lunsford for his health care facility. Crazy.

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You should have some back up, you don't know when weather or another natural disaster may hit. I just went a week where 75% of the Louisville area had no power and panic mentality made matters worse.



yep, we got hit with %90 electric out, but more complaints for those whose electric wasn't back on more than anything. We still aren't %100.

By the way, Bill, being on the Ohio River and with Northern Kentucky being the bottom half (geographically, of course, as I love the state of Kentucky) of the Greater Cincinnati area, we get all of the Kentucky election ads. There is the TV ad for Mitch McConnell who is supposed to be a conservative republican yet his ads compares him to Alben Barkley then bragging that he brought 7 million dollars of pork to Louisville, 4.2 million dollars to the Greater Cincinnati Airport, and so on listing the millions of dollars he brought back from Washington? Then again, they are ripping Lunsford for his health care facility. Crazy.

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It's a sorry election. Bruce lunsford was the President of the Enron of health care, Vencor

 

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  posted on 9/29/2008 at 05:20 PM
Ann has brought up a couple things like soap and personal items that I didn't think about. As a Sam's club shopper I have a closet full of that stuff and take having it for granted.

Interestingly I just saw a package on the local news about what people can't do without, The spa, Starbucks etc. Those people will be in a world of hurt should things get bad.

 

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  posted on 9/29/2008 at 05:25 PM
No worries, Bill. I agree that being able to do without a lot of things is going to come in handy in coming times. Sounds like you're way ahead of most of us, as far as stocking up.

There are so many people who eat out all the time, being able to feed yourself is rare these days.

 

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  posted on 9/29/2008 at 05:57 PM
Don't forget socks.....Mom also told me everyone had to darn their socks so omuch they were darning the darns.

 

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  posted on 9/29/2008 at 06:00 PM
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I don't know how many quarts of beans I put up this year or how many pounds of tomatoes I put up. Plus squash and other vegetables. I was thinking about getting a couple chickens when eggs hit $2 a dozen and may still.



My buddy just started a new flock of Golden Laced Wyandottes, which he hasn't cooped before. He usually goes with Buff Orpingtons, Golden Comets, and Araucanas, including the older batch that is headed to the stew pot who laid multi-colored blue, green, brown and white eggs. I'll let you know how the newer breed does. There are many different kinds of breeds so it is interesting and fun to look into the choices, and it matters which one you pick as far as temperament, egg production, production during the winter months, squawkers or not, etc.

One of the best hatcheries in this part of the country, Mt. Healthy Hatchery, which is about two miles down the road from me, has been in business since 1924. There website is www.mthealthy.com and they do ship the chicks to whereever you are. They also hatch ducks, turkeys, and game birds.

Of course, in this part of the world you can always find a farmer's market or flea market and take a ahcance on whatever breed you happen to find. But if you want to be particular, then a hatchery is the best route.

 

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  posted on 9/29/2008 at 06:13 PM
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Don't forget socks.....Mom also told me everyone had to darn their socks so omuch they were darning the darns.


My Mom is 91 and she was just saying the same thing tonight.

She grew up on a farm during the depression

 

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  posted on 9/29/2008 at 06:26 PM
You guys are making me miss my mom and dad, who recently passed

Pop was saying "shit's gonna hit the fan"
right up until he died

Now I'm saying,
"pop you were right"

stories about his pop picking apples and selling them
or the neighbor selling pencils he had horded
other neighbors trading canned goods (mason jars, not Cambels soup)

My mom learned how to sew at 6
and helped her mom clothe an extended family of 12
Hell, I never bought a shirt until I was in junior high
EVERYONE had gardens

Times like these I wish the
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Now I only darn socks when
they always come out from the dryer with one short

"Darn Socks"

 

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  posted on 9/29/2008 at 06:29 PM
"That's about how long the Great depression lasted."

Actually, it started not so great in Oct 29...then built up in 30 and 31, particularly after all of the major Western powers decided to protect their own markets and created "anti-globalization" barriers, Britain's Imperial Preference System, France's own French Union, and the US with its Smoot-Hawley Tariff, all designed to seal off domestic production and jobs from "foreign" competition.

Of note, unemployment reached 25% at the worse part of the Depression in 1933, and very slowly really down to only about 9% or so by Saturday 6 December 1941. One can safely conclude that my Monday 8 December 1941, full employment was more the norm than before

[Edited on 9/29/2008 by carlosofcoronado]

 

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  posted on 9/29/2008 at 06:35 PM
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"That's about how long the Great depression lasted."

Actually, it started not so great in Oct 29...then built up in 30 and 31, particularly after all of the major Western powers decided to protect their own markets and created "anti-globalization" barriers, Britain's Imperial Preference System, France's own French Union, and the US with its Smoot-Hawley Tariff, all designed to seal off domestic production and jobs from "foreign" competition.

Of note, unemployment reached 25% at the worse part of the Depression in 1933, and very slowly really down to only about 9% or so by Saturday 6 December 1941. One can safely conclude that my Monday 8 December 1941, full employment was more the norm than before

[Edited on 9/29/2008 by carlosofcoronado]


WWII ended the Depression. Let's hope for once history doesn't repeat itself

 

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[Edited on 10/23/2008 by jerryphilbob]

 

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  posted on 9/29/2008 at 07:02 PM
I'd forgotten about pencils....Mom also talked about trying to find them....and paper! Little things you take for granted.

 

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  posted on 9/29/2008 at 07:17 PM
I am still using toilet paper stored up from my Y2K shelter....

 

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