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  posted on 9/26/2008 at 09:13 AM
Now that I have seen both bands this year, (lesh @rothbury)/(ratdog @clarkston), I have to say that Lesh's band is far superior. Wait until you guys see Jackie Greene play, he takes over the show with jerry-like solos, acoustic, b-3, harp, its just sweet. They seem to have more fun while playing too, smiling and trading licks, oh yea Larry Campbell is sweet too. It sound much more like the Dead too, you need Lesh's bass playing to sound anything like the original, and the rest of the band is just awesome.

I didnt like the Deads music until Rothbury. That totally reversed, now I listen to more Dead than anything, lots to cover. Check out the "china cat sunflower" w/Warren from rothbury.

If I saw Ratdog first, I dont think that my opinion would have changed. Ratdog didnt really impress me the way Phils band did. Im jealous of the upcoming shows, I would love to see that combo, and I think they will change a lot of peoples perception of their music to see it live.

 
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  posted on 9/26/2008 at 09:48 AM
Phil hands down.
If ABB tours with Ratdog again next year....well I don't like to think those thoughts.

 

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  posted on 9/26/2008 at 10:18 AM
Phil and Friends are WAY better..... i saw them at Rothbury as well, and Bob at the Chicago ABB show.... its not even close - Phil and Friends sound like a band that could go out and be succesful without having the Dead name in it, while Bob sounds like he would get booed off of a Kareokee stage singing his own song, if his name was anything other than Bob Weir. Sorry to be so rough on him, but he was awful and did a diservice to the greatness that was the Grateful Dead.
 

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  posted on 9/26/2008 at 10:34 AM
I really like Ratdog a lot and have enjoyed every show I've seen of theirs, however, I will agree with most that the Phil Lesh experience is a better live show. His bands are typically world class and far more up-beat. I think the main complaint with Ratdog - even among Bob Weir fans - is that almost everything is played at a slower tempo which can be tough to handle for some for an entire show. I do like Ratdog's overall "sound" though, kind of unique...

Phil's guys are always top notch musician's that can play any style and play them all extremely well. They really know how to attack the songs and Jams from the inside-out. I have loved every lineup Phil has magically put together starting with Kimock and Trey on guitar back in 1999...then The Q with Jimmy and Warren....but, my all time favorite Phil lineup was a couple of years back with Larry Campbell (still there) and Barry Sless on guitar, Molo (sometimes Jeff Sipe) on drums, Rob Baracco on Keys and either Chris Robinson or Joan Osborne on vocals. To me this lineup gave us the best of both Phil Worlds - a nice combination of Psychedelic fee-form Jamming like The Q, but they also covered the Roots-Rock and Americana stuff they are effectively doing today. Campbell and Sless was a lethal combo on guitars... Gotta Love Phil, he is simply the best! Let's the music play the band...



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  posted on 9/26/2008 at 11:31 AM
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I think the main complaint with Ratdog - even among Bob fans - is that almost everything is played at a slower tempo which can be tough for an entire show.


i saw them in colorado and i must say that the tempo thing was an issue for me..it just kind of plodded along...

never seen Phil and Friends...really looking forward to it

 

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  posted on 9/26/2008 at 11:36 AM
I like Ratdog but have seen them quite a few times. Would have liked to have a Phil & Friends opener for the Red Rocks show.

 

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  posted on 9/26/2008 at 12:51 PM
Totally stoked for P & F! I have seen enough Ratdog for a while, and this is not to be taken as a negative comment. I haven't seen P & F since Warren was with them several years ago, so this will be a treat!


 

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  posted on 9/26/2008 at 12:56 PM
Phil and Friends by leaps and bounds. Both Larry Campbell and Jackie Green are amazing musicians and they have developed a great chemistry over the last year plus. I'm going to all three Saturday shows at the Nokia Theatre which has a steller sound system and I can't wait!!!

 

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  posted on 9/26/2008 at 12:58 PM
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I really like Ratdog a lot, however, I will agree with most that the Phil Lesh experience is a much better live show. His bands are typically world class and far more up-beat. I think the main complaint with Ratdog - even among Bob fans - is that almost everything is played at a slower tempo which can be tough for an entire show.

Phil's guys are always top notch musician's that can play any style and play them all extremely well. They really know how to attack the songs and Jams from the inside-out. I have loved every lineup Phil has magically put together starting with Kimock and Trey on guitar back in 1999...then The Q with Jimmy and Warren....but, my all time favorite Phil lineup was a couple of years back with Larry Campbell (still there) and Barry Sless on guitar, Molo (sometimes Jeff Sipe) on drums, Rob Baracco on Keys and either Chris Robinson or Joan Osborne on vocals. To me this lineup gave us the best of both Phil Worlds - a nice combination of Psychedelic fee-form Jamming like The Q, but they also covered the Roots-Rock and Americana stuff they are effectively doing today. Campbell and Sless was a lethal combo on guitars... Gotta Love Phil, simply the best! Let's the music play the band...


Phil hands down, word out of the rehersals is that Sless is back in,Molo will miss some of the gigs at Nokia with someone else sitting in. Jackie and Larry Campbell, right now those guys really are driving Phil's latest lineup.
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  posted on 9/26/2008 at 01:01 PM
Phil & Friends
 

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  posted on 9/26/2008 at 02:13 PM
whole heartedly agree ... although ratdog is worth the price of admission when STEVE KIMOCK sits in.... like in Philly. I was terribly disappointed that Kimock was not with ratdog at red rocks. It makes a BIG difference.
 

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  posted on 9/26/2008 at 02:16 PM
Just to clarify, John Molo missed some rehearsals this week, but he should be playing all the ABB run and Nokia shows as far as I know.

The big news would be if Sless is back in the band. He is at the rehearsals, playing pedal steel as an additional member with Jackie and Larry still there. There's been no announcement what shows he will play, whether he will play the ABB run shows or the Nokia run or both.

Should be some good guest slots in both bands.

 

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  posted on 9/26/2008 at 02:29 PM
I've got to go with Phil myself. That was my first Ratdog show last month. I'm not so closed minded to say it was my last, but the tempo was the issue. I've seen Phil 2 times, and enjoyed both shows, but I wouldn't want to see the Brothers opening for him this year. ABB should headline all their shows after this tour IMO.

 

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  posted on 9/26/2008 at 02:47 PM
I haven't seen this version of P&F so I can't say. But i love RatDog. My problem with P&F is just that I don't ever know who's playing, so it depends on the lineup.

The tempo thing with RatDog sometimes bothers me, but it sometimes bothers me with The ABB too. They've been playing "Midnight Rider", "One Way Out" and some other things at much slower tempo, it's like they get a little slower each year. But I don't think I get as irritated with RatDog as some of you because jeez if there was ever a member of the Grateful Dead who liked to really slow things down it was Jerry. I think I just got used to it.

 

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  posted on 9/26/2008 at 03:48 PM
The problem with P&F is you don't know who's opening the show. In Raleigh it's P&F. In Charlotte it's ABB.

 

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  posted on 9/27/2008 at 12:09 AM
Im gonna go against the grain here. For me its all about the guitar player(s). And I like Mark Karan more than Jackie, and Mark way more than Larry. The tempo for Ratdog can be a little too mellow or whatever, but I dig it. I have listened to a bunch of the current Lesh lineup, and felt uninspired. Just my opinion but I would rather see Ratdog than Phil right now. But its all apple and oranges really. Both are good bands, I believe.
 

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  posted on 9/27/2008 at 07:55 AM
Phil & Freinds
 

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  posted on 9/27/2008 at 08:29 AM
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I have to say that Lesh's band is far superior


 

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  posted on 9/27/2008 at 08:40 AM
Count me in the "I prefer Phils's bands way more than Ratdog" camp. Really looking forward to this coming Friday in Raleigh!

 

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  posted on 9/27/2008 at 08:41 AM
I really enjoy P&F and am looking forward to next Friday to get a dose of some Phil bombs.

However the highlight will the Brothers closing the show. They always bring it in Raleighwood.

 

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  posted on 9/27/2008 at 08:42 AM
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I really enjoy P&F and am looking forward to next Friday to get a dose of some Phil bombs.

However the highlight will the Brothers closing the show. They always bring it in Raleighwood.


See you there, Dan!

 

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  posted on 9/27/2008 at 08:45 AM
Not real familar with either. DanB who does Clemson olay today!!!!!!

 

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  posted on 9/27/2008 at 08:52 AM
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Not real familar with either. DanB who does Clemson olay today!!!!!!


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  posted on 9/27/2008 at 08:53 AM
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I really enjoy P&F and am looking forward to next Friday to get a dose of some Phil bombs.

However the highlight will the Brothers closing the show. They always bring it in Raleighwood.


See you there, Dan!


It'll be great to see you again brother EZ!!!

 

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