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  posted on 9/25/2008 at 12:17 AM

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  posted on 9/25/2008 at 09:20 AM
You are referring to Katie Couric, arent you?
 

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  posted on 9/25/2008 at 09:22 AM
Couric is so fake. Softball ?'s for Biden and tougher ones for Palin. Everyone in the media is try to crack her and be the first to do so. Biden did not even know a man was in a wheelchair and asked him to stand up

 

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  posted on 9/25/2008 at 09:33 AM
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Couric is so fake. Softball ?'s for Biden and tougher ones for Palin. Everyone in the media is try to crack her and be the first to do so. Biden did not even know a man was in a wheelchair and asked him to stand up


Those were tough questions for Palin? Give me examples of how McCain has fought regulation? Thats a tough question? Maybe for Palin it is...theres the problem.

 

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  posted on 9/25/2008 at 02:07 PM
It is painfully obvious why they have been hiding Mrs. Palin from the media. The VP debate is gonna be very fun to watch. She better be more prepared for that than she was for that Couric interview.

 

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  posted on 9/25/2008 at 02:11 PM
If anyone even asks Paliin how she's doing, it's being construed as a 'tough' question.

 

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  posted on 9/25/2008 at 03:08 PM
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Couric is so fake. Softball ?'s for Biden and tougher ones for Palin. Everyone in the media is try to crack her and be the first to do so. Biden did not even know a man was in a wheelchair and asked him to stand up


If he didn't know the man was in a wheelchair I don't see the problem. I sure that once he realized it he didn't keep asking.

 

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  posted on 9/25/2008 at 03:29 PM
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Couric is so fake. Softball ?'s for Biden and tougher ones for Palin. Everyone in the media is try to crack her and be the first to do so. Biden did not even know a man was in a wheelchair and asked him to stand up


Biden knew the answers, therefore they looked like softball questions. Palin, on the other hand, didn't seem to understand the questions.
He knew the answers alright they were just wrong. Let's see if I can quote him,

"When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened,'"

Problem is Herbert Hoover was president when the stock market crashed in 1929. Oh and there also was no television at the time.

This would have been a good time for ol Joe to do what he is best known for - PLAGIARIZE - Yep at least his answer might have been accurate.

 

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  posted on 9/25/2008 at 03:31 PM
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Couric is so fake. Softball ?'s for Biden and tougher ones for Palin. Everyone in the media is try to crack her and be the first to do so. Biden did not even know a man was in a wheelchair and asked him to stand up


Biden knew the answers, therefore they looked like softball questions. Palin, on the other hand, didn't seem to understand the questions.
He knew the answers alright they were just wrong. Let's see if I can quote him,

"When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened,'"

Problem is Herbert Hoover was president when the stock market crashed in 1929. Oh and there also was no television at the time.

This would have been a good time for ol Joe to do what he is best known for - PLAGIARIZE - Yep at least his answer might have been accurate.


God bless you, Jim...this is all you have and you keep playing it over and over.

 

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  posted on 9/25/2008 at 03:56 PM
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Jim has learned from Sarah Palin herself, the question or the context doesn't matter. Ideas are interchangeable and can be easily applied to any situation, provided you feel no obligation to actually address the issue at hand. I believe that obligation is called "intellectual honesty."
Ahh.. So the answer was right but the question was wrong. I am beginning to see the light.

 

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  posted on 9/25/2008 at 04:02 PM
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MountainPostJim is still being briefed on the Republican talking points. So far, all he has learned about Biden is to answer every question with the word PLAGIARISM yelled at the top of his lungs. I would suggest that the Republicans start schooloing everyone for 2012 ASAP as it seems to take a long time to learn this stuff.
I can't help it. If you google Joe Biden you will see stories about his plagiarism (I tried to whisper it that time but I don't how to e-whisper). If you google Plagiarism you will get stories that contain Joe Biden. It is what is is. I doubt those google people are part of the repubican attack machine. I like saying that. REPUBLICAN ATTACK MACHINE. I like yelling it too but people here at the office already think I'm "Off" a little. Go figure

 

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  posted on 9/25/2008 at 04:05 PM
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No, think of it like this - the question was a round hole, the answer was a square peg. The two just don't fit together.
Well dogonnit I'm still not there. Round like a "softball" that he missed? Or are did she just ask a question that didn't fit the answer he was about to give? I apologize but if you help me I'll catch up here.

I have to split for a few maybe for the day - Love ya Otie! (and yes I know the above quote came from someone else but I think OTF is warming up to me)


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Well, actually No12runwith brought up Biden, then someone defended him. Then Jim pointed out that his FDR comments were as absurd as Palin's Alaska borders Russia ones and suggested he should have plagarized (sp) instead.

Not a non-sequitur when you follow the whole thread.

 

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  posted on 9/25/2008 at 05:10 PM
MPJ, I cited the facts of your "plaigarism" claim a couple of weeks ago, yet you persist.

Tell us what happened, exactly, in this "scandal."

Don't tell me to go read a story. I've read up on this and know what happened. I want you to tell us what happened.

 

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  posted on 9/25/2008 at 05:19 PM
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Well, actually No12runwith brought up Biden, then someone defended him. Then Jim pointed out that his FDR comments were as absurd as Palin's Alaska borders Russia ones and suggested he should have plagarized (sp) instead.

Not a non-sequitur when you follow the whole thread.
I'm glad someone is follwing this thread. I was beginning to think that some unwritten rules state that you can only respond to the original post but not any of the responses.

For those having trouble

ThreadTitle Going Down Once,....Twice, .....,Blub........... (catchy btw)
1st Post video link to Katy & Sarah - No comment at all
3rd post in reference to Katy/Biden Relevant? I think so but not my post
4th post Squatch quotes 3rd post & responds (though not to the Biden part)
5th post refers to VP debate Relevant? maybe not but the debate will involve Biden, we think
7th Post OTF quotes 3rd post and respond to the Biden part. He even suggested that Biden knew all the answers. Which BTW is the post I quoted that got me criticized by him for being off topic.
8th post responds to 7th, again Biden.

The point if you don't see it yet is I didn't take this thing off track and my point was way more about Biden's dopey answer to Katy's wrong question than it was about Plagiarsm. Ya'll jumped on the P issue because you know he gave a dopey answer.

More posts here about Biden than Palin. Hop started this. Maybe ya'll need to re-group and get more ammo.

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But off-topic. Just another deflection attepmt.
Yet you were the first one to respond directly to the deflection that No1ToRunWith threw out in the 3rd post. Consider your self delfected, LOVED, but deflected.

 

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  posted on 9/25/2008 at 05:24 PM
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Couric is so fake. Softball ?'s for Biden and tougher ones for Palin. Everyone in the media is try to crack her and be the first to do so. Biden did not even know a man was in a wheelchair and asked him to stand up


What a stupid comparison....yeah, that's about right for the Repubs....attack Couric, then go completely off-topc with a dumb comment about a guy in a wheelchair....anything to keep attention off of the embarrassment Palin. "everyone's trying to crack her" ....LOL...you don't try to crack an empty safe....and we all know it's empty.

 

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  posted on 9/25/2008 at 05:30 PM
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MPJ, I cited the facts of your "plaigarism" claim a couple of weeks ago, yet you persist.

Tell us what happened, exactly, in this "scandal."

Don't tell me to go read a story. I've read up on this and know what happened. I want you to tell us what happened.


Deflection Deflection I told you in that thread he has a history of it. Gave you the eveidence thread died. Go figure. My point here was about him not knowing who the president was in 1929.
However I don't mind telling you again that
He was given a failing grade for Plagiarism in school in 1965
He had to DROP OUT OF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IN 1987 because he was caught plagiarizing Neal Kinnock. It was a big deal and you never cited any facts to the contrary and can't because it is true.

He is number two on the list at famousplagiarists.com
Free tip - They mention Cheney also

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  posted on 9/25/2008 at 05:38 PM
I wonder who that loser McCain would have picked if Hillary was the candidate?

Its all about deception/scheming/false accusations/SAME **** ING **** OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER.


 

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MPJ, I cited the facts of your "plaigarism" claim a couple of weeks ago, yet you persist.

Tell us what happened, exactly, in this "scandal."

Don't tell me to go read a story. I've read up on this and know what happened. I want you to tell us what happened.


Deflection Deflection I told you in that thread he has a history of it. Gave you the eveidence thread died. Go figure. My point here was about him not knowing who the president was in 1929.
However I don't mind telling you again that
He was given a failing grade for Plagiarism in school in 1965
He had to DROP OUT OF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IN 1987 because he was caught plagiarizing Neal Kinnock. It was a big deal and you never cited any facts to the contrary and can't because it is true.





Bullsh*t.

I told you then what happened. You looked at one story on aol, as you said, and ran with it from there. I'll cite the facts to you AGAIN, so the next time you bring this up, I'll refer you back to it. If you don't believe me, do some real research and find out for yourself

Joe Biden had a regular stump speech he gave, with a quote in it from Neil Kinnock. He usually cited Kinnock, and never tried to pass the words off as his own. Lots of people heard him give the speech many times, and he cited Neil Kinnock almost every time. Someone filmed him making the speech, and not giving Kinnock credit for the words.

OK, there is the first thing that happened. Not really that big a deal, right?

But reporters being reporters did some digging, and found that he had received an F on a paper in law school for improperly citing sources. He took the class over, and got credit for it.

There is your "history of plaigarism." The Kinnock thing happened 20 years ago. You can go around squealing about Biden being a PLAIGARIST if you want, but it doesn't make you look very smart.

 

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  posted on 9/25/2008 at 05:41 PM
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Here we go, trying to explain to someone what is obvious. The topic was about Palin and the interview. OK. Someone said she failed because Biden got softball questions and Palin didn't. I responded that Biden knew the answers, which you misconstrued to mean he had the questions ahead of time, that isn't what I meant and you know it. So let me type slow for you. Biden knew how to answer the questions. Palin could not. OK, we are still on Palin with a slight turn towards Biden as a comparison. Then of course you come in with PLAGIARISM. That was off topic. We weren't talking about anything other than how Palin, and by comparison because they are opponents, Biden were questioned. It has absolutely nothing to do with PLAGIARISM. Ergo, it was off topic and an attempt to deflect from the point that Palin is completely unprepared to talk to the press and therefore unprepared to be VP. Or, as John McCain's ads say "Not ready to lead". Do you understand now? BTW, I like you less and less when you pull this type of stunt.


Dude that is so screwed up. No one said she failed because Biden got easy questions they made a comparison. I don't think anyone said she failed at all

I didn't suggest Biden knew the questions I suggested HE GOT THE ANSWERS WRONG.

Someone in your defense, God Bless 'em, suggested the answer didn't match the question. Round peg square hole Heck I got deflected on that one for a minute. I re-grouped and asked if he was suggesting that Biden's answer was right and the question was wrong. That's called Humor. Maybe topo much at one time. I like it when you type slow.
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Yes but his answer that I am referring too WAS WRONG. As stated several times now, the P word came only as a suggestion that might have helped him. Though it has really hurt him in the past.

Then Allen who is on your side asked mne to explain the whole P thing again.
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  posted on 9/25/2008 at 05:46 PM
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MPJ, I cited the facts of your "plaigarism" claim a couple of weeks ago, yet you persist.

Tell us what happened, exactly, in this "scandal."

Don't tell me to go read a story. I've read up on this and know what happened. I want you to tell us what happened.


Deflection Deflection I told you in that thread he has a history of it. Gave you the eveidence thread died. Go figure. My point here was about him not knowing who the president was in 1929.
However I don't mind telling you again that
He was given a failing grade for Plagiarism in school in 1965
He had to DROP OUT OF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IN 1987 because he was caught plagiarizing Neal Kinnock. It was a big deal and you never cited any facts to the contrary and can't because it is true.





Bullsh*t.

I told you then what happened. You looked at one story on aol, as you said, and ran with it from there. I'll cite the facts to you AGAIN, so the next time you bring this up, I'll refer you back to it. If you don't believe me, do some real research and find out for yourself

Joe Biden had a regular stump speech he gave, with a quote in it from Neil Kinnock. He usually cited Kinnock, and never tried to pass the words off as his own. Lots of people heard him give the speech many times, and he cited Neil Kinnock almost every time. Someone filmed him making the speech, and not giving Kinnock credit for the words.

OK, there is the first thing that happened. Not really that big a deal, right?

But reporters being reporters did some digging, and found that he had received an F on a paper in law school for improperly citing sources. He took the class over, and got credit for it.

There is your "history of plaigarism." The Kinnock thing happened 20 years ago. You can go around squealing about Biden being a PLAIGARIST if you want, but it doesn't make you look very smart.


You are dead wrong. And I've never been to AOL you can call home and ask my wife.

From the link above:
Senator Biden’s plagiarism of a speech by British Labor Party leader Neal Kinnock took place at a campaign stump at the Iowa State Fairgrounds. In closing his speech, Biden took Kinnock’s ideas and language as if they were his very own inspired thoughts, prefacing Kinnock’s ideas with the phrase “I started thinking as I was coming over here . . . “. Little did Biden suspect that video footage of this speech would be spliced together with footage of Kinnock’s speech in an “attack video” which would be distributed by members of the Dukakis campaign.

Making the headline news in the New York Times, and the evening news on TV, the video was a stab in the back for Biden by his democratic competitor, and although he insisted that “I’m in this race to stay. I’m in this race to win,” the resulting publicity surrounding his unacknowledged use of Neal Kinnock’s speech was what eventually forced him out of the race. Name recognition was no longer a problem for Biden, but not the kind of name recognition which would assist his campaign for the democratic presidential nomination. His name was now a byword for plagiarism. His situation became a classic example of plagiarism for high school teachers and college instructors across the nation lecturing on the evils of unacknowledged source use.

Biden initially denied any wrongdoing, claiming that this was just an inadvertent lack of acknowledgement. Yet there were other instances of rhetorical borrowing from speeches made by Robert F. Kennedy and Hubert Humphrey. And the fact that Biden had given other speeches using the Kinnock passages without acknowledgment suggested that the lifting was more than just an inadvertent oversight

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  posted on 9/25/2008 at 05:48 PM
I just pulled up the other thread where I explained this to MPJ on the 19th, and he ignored it.

 

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I just pulled up the other thread where I explained this to MPJ on the 19th, and he ignored it.
You explaining it doesn't mean it's not true. SEE ABOVE

 

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You are dead wrong. And I've never been to AOL you can call home and ask my wife.



I misremembered. When someone asked you where you got your information about Biden, you said, "I Googled him."

I stand corrected.

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  posted on 9/25/2008 at 05:57 PM
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Yes but his answer that I am referring too WAS WRONG. As stated several times now, the P word came only as a suggestion that might have helped him. Though it has really hurt him in the past.


Does that make any sense to anyone? Besides MPJ?

nope - not at all (similar to other posts made here ... they seem to go in circles). I'm still trying to figure out how a thread about the Palin/ Couric interview turned into a discussion about Biden's past

 

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