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  posted on 9/18/2008 at 09:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XhDHJNuyXw

Very good song. In your opinion when did this band start to go down hill. In other words I like the more progressive stuff and less pop stuff.

 
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  posted on 9/18/2008 at 11:50 PM
In general, I'd say after Trick of the Tail and Wind & Wuthering, it started to go a bit south. But that's not to say they still didn't create some tunes on those more "pop" albums that weren't pretty good. "Home by the Sea" is a latter-era Genesis tune I like a lot.

For all the mixture of pop stuff, I still had a blast seeing their last tour. The "When in Rome" DVD is, production-wise, one of the finest concert DVD's ever made.

 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 12:18 AM
i don't think they went downhill until the late 80's
 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 05:58 AM
I have not been a fan since Peter Gabriel left the band , just one person's opinion .
 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 05:59 AM
I would rather drill nails into my eyes.

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 06:55 AM
Love the 70's stuff and early 80's.

By mid 80's, Collins was too full of himself and everywhere

 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 08:00 AM
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I would rather drill nails into my eyes.

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That would be messy

 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 09:24 AM
To me, it was after Abacaba and Three Sides Live that they went downhill. Three Sides is a great live record. Abacab is one of my favorite Genesis tunes of all time. I used to also love the Man in a Corner live video they used to show on MTV back in the day from that same album. I liked the 1976-1982 Collins era a good bit. They jumped the shark to me after that.

 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 10:44 AM
I'm a huge fan of the 2nd album through Selling England, a pretty big fan of Lamb, a moderate fan of Trick and Wind, a casual listener of some of the tracks from the era Tim mentions above, but not really interested beyond that.

 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 10:48 AM
I like all Genesis (obviously not all songs, in fact there are quite a few songs I don't like at all). I do not like the production on INVISIBLE TOUCH. I do think the eponymous album is excellent, even though it's a lot of pop songs and uses the simmons drums more than I like. I don't like songs like "Hold On My Heart", but I like "Fading Lights". But having said that, I don't know if I could ever say they went downhill.

Genesis was always trying to write love songs and short singles, even in the Gabriel years, they just didn't truly master it until much later. And I think they always tried to keep an element of longer experimental music, it just didn't get played on the radio, so everyone just thought that was all they did.

One other thing I think is interesting is that people always assumed that Gabriel wrote the lyrics in the era he was in the band, with the exception of MOST of the LAMB LIES DOWN album, that wasn't true. He wrote some, but Tony Banks & Mike Rutherford wrote A LOT of those lyrics, just like in the later days when Phil was singing, he was singing their lyrics a lot (as well as his own).

 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 11:30 AM
The Canadian group The Musical Box is now embarking on its next project...The Trick of the Tail tour.

But, yes, for me, after the release of ABACAB, the pop sensibilities were a bit too much. By the way, if you have not seen any of the video for the Duke tracks, catch Collins on that drum machine. Kinda of an interesting experience to the "percussion" with Chester Thompson.

At this moment, I am trying to get as many of the Lamb shows as are available. I just love the track called "The Waiting Room" and have found some outstanding (soundboards). Apparently there are more of the taped Lamb shows than listed in Russell's gig guide.

Has anyone in the Northeast seen a Genesis tribute band, The Cinema Show, or, is it, The Waiting Room?

Finally, only 8 weeks til the release of the 1970-1975 boxset.

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 11:35 AM
Carlos, been meaning to PM you. But unfortunately, I'm always distracted as about 99% of the time I'm on this site, I'm actually at work and should be working... I'll be in touch over the weekend!
 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 11:51 AM
Am I correct in my understanding that the albums in the new Genesis box sets have been remixed/altered from their original versions?
 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 12:04 PM
I prefer the Peter Gabriel-era Genesis over the phil Collins-era Genesis. Their music was so much better when Peter Gabriel was with the band, although there are some songs from when Phil collins sang, that I like.

 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 12:18 PM
I like all the version of Genesis. Prolly the bands with Steve Hackett in it the best. I think they missed him
more than PG when he left.

I just got the new Live CD from last years touring. It is very good.

The vocal performance by Phil on "Hold on my Heart" is magnificent. A really kicking version
of Home by the Sea.


I like it. Have to check out the Rome DVD.

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 12:36 PM
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I like all the version of Genesis. Prolly the bands with Steve Hackett in it the best. I think they missed him
more than PG when he left.

I just got the new Live CD from last years touring. It is very good.

The vocal performance by Phil on "Hold on my Heart" is magnificent. A really kicking version
of Home by the Sea.


I like it. Have to check out the Rome DVD.

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John


The DVD is great. Although I stated I don't like "Hold On My Heart" in the previous post, I do have to say Phil does sing it great on that...

 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 12:38 PM
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Am I correct in my understanding that the albums in the new Genesis box sets have been remixed/altered from their original versions?


Well yes. I know a lot of people are against this kind of thing, but I really feel they sound excellent. They did a great job of copying the original mixes. The just sound a little clearer.

If you have heard that 3 disc retrospective collection from a couple years ago, some new mixes of the early stuff was on there.

 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 12:56 PM
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Am I correct in my understanding that the albums in the new Genesis box sets have been remixed/altered from their original versions?


Well yes. I know a lot of people are against this kind of thing, but I really feel they sound excellent. They did a great job of copying the original mixes. The just sound a little clearer.

If you have heard that 3 disc retrospective collection from a couple years ago, some new mixes of the early stuff was on there.


That's good to hear. Will have to pick those up at some point.

As far as the band I can appreciate just about everything they did throughout the years. Even the light pop was very well-made. It's not like I listen to it every day!


 

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I like all the version of Genesis. Prolly the bands with Steve Hackett in it the best. I think they missed him
more than PG when he left.

I just got the new Live CD from last years touring. It is very good.

The vocal performance by Phil on "Hold on my Heart" is magnificent. A really kicking version
of Home by the Sea.


I like it. Have to check out the Rome DVD.

Peace
John


The DVD is great. Although I stated I don't like "Hold On My Heart" in the previous post, I do have to say Phil does sing it great on that...


i just hate to have to go to wally world to get it.

 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 08:42 PM
IPowrie, I see "WInd and Wuthering" as the end of the line - once Hackett leaves, it got much poppier - and even that CD has some fluff on it.

However, every album has some choice cuts. I like the MAMA album the best out of all of the post-Hackett material. I also think the solo section of "Fading LIghts" is one of the most amazing moments of music.

I am a big fan of solo Steve Hackett - he puts on a GREAT show and keeps delving into progressive directions. Not all of his experiments work, and he is a mediocre singer at best, but check out one of his live DVDs and dig it dig it dig it!

 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 11:17 PM
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IPowrie, I see "WInd and Wuthering" as the end of the line - once Hackett leaves, it got much poppier - and even that CD has some fluff on it.

However, every album has some choice cuts. I like the MAMA album the best out of all of the post-Hackett material. I also think the solo section of "Fading LIghts" is one of the most amazing moments of music.

I am a big fan of solo Steve Hackett - he puts on a GREAT show and keeps delving into progressive directions. Not all of his experiments work, and he is a mediocre singer at best, but check out one of his live DVDs and dig it dig it dig it!


The Hackett "live in toko" with John Wetton and Ian McDonald from King Crimson is great.

 

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  posted on 9/20/2008 at 06:48 PM
Im listening to a show from 1987 and songs that I really dont care for in the studio like MAMA, Abcab, and Land of Confusion sound better live
 
 


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