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  posted on 9/18/2008 at 08:56 PM
I thought they used to dodge this sort of nonsense.

 

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  posted on 9/18/2008 at 09:16 PM
I think this election is different for a lot of people. It has a certain urgency to it. At least to a lot of Obama supporters. We can't afford to lose this election. That's how I see it.

I'm not looking to get into a political argument, just trying to answer your question. I haven't heard anything from the Dead about this. I don't really keep up with the Dead. Members of ABB, usually non-political, are also taking part in fund-raising for Obama.

 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 08:13 AM
They did dodge that nonsense when Jerry was alive....but things have changed, eh?

Now we have them shilling for politicians and whining about people getting their music free via downloads.

It makes me miss Jerry all the more...

[Edited on 9/19/2008 by musicalbeds]

 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 08:48 AM
Personally, I've always thought they were an extremely political band. They may not have endorsed candidates like they are today, but the entire counter cultural revolution they helped start and promote was a serious political statement, imo.

I've read several pages about the Dead and Jerry. He made plenty of political statements. Again, he didn't say vote for this guy, but he did not shy away from expressing his political stance.

 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 09:19 AM
Jerry Garcia politically didn't believe in "the system". That why he never endorsed any political candidate or party. If Jerry was still alive, I think he would more a libertarian, than a liberal. As for the ABB they have a history of supporting Democratic candidates going back to days of Jimmy Carter, indeed if they didn't do some benefits for Carter early on, it's doubtful that he would have been able to continue in the primaries.
 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 10:12 AM
Jerry was political in his own way. He did, in the late '80's, appear before congress to talk about the Rainforest issue.

"Isn't it true, Mr. Garcia, that your contingency rarely even vote?"

"Well, it would be nice if they had something to vote FOR!"

And my favorite:

"Look, the deadheads would tie themselves to trees if I asked them to!"

(Note: These are paraphrased by me from the original transcripts because I'm at work and don't have the originals in front of me, but that's pretty close!)

Whether Jerry would be involved in this election or not is anybody's guess, but he did care.

 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 10:14 AM
I always thought of them as being on the vanguard of the hippie movement, and embracing that mindset.
 
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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 10:22 AM
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Jerry was political in his own way. He did, in the late '80's, appear before congress to talk about the Rainforest issue.

"Isn't it true, Mr. Garcia, that your contingency rarely even vote?"

"Well, it would be nice if they had something to vote FOR!"

And my favorite:

"Look, the deadheads would tie themselves to trees if I asked them to!"

(Note: These are paraphrased by me from the original transcripts because I'm at work and don't have the originals in front of me, but that's pretty close!)

Whether Jerry would be involved in this election or not is anybody's guess, but he did care.


I'd love to read the transcripts, but I'm having no luck in finding them. Could you point me in the right direction?

 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 10:39 AM
Shut up and sing.

Thats my vote.

 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 11:24 AM
Ditto.

This public choosing of sides is driving me crazy. I too say “shut up and sing” (or play).
Why can’t they just keep it to themselves? If they go too far they will no doubt loose some fans.

 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 11:29 AM
Hey BBB, Good to see you on the forum. You won't hear Tony Williams mentioned here, no siree Bob.

 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 11:42 AM
quote:
They did dodge that nonsense when Jerry was alive....but things have changed, eh?

Now we have them shilling for politicians and whining about people getting their music free via downloads.

It makes me miss Jerry all the more...

[Edited on 9/19/2008 by musicalbeds]


Jerry was very political in a lot his interviews and opinions. In fact the Grateful Dead represented a side of American that many were afraid of. That in itself was quite political.

And I also am very firm in believing that all the things that have happened with the Dead as an organization recently would've happened even had Jerry been alive. It might've taken longer to get to those points, but it was unavoidable. Technology changed and more importantly, the industry changed in a drastic way between 1995 and 2005 and as much as we don't like to hear it, it has completely changed the way artists need to do things.

 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 12:00 PM
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Shut up and sing.

Thats my vote.


That's certainly my preference, no matter who they're supporting.

Man, Warren really put one on us at the Red Rocks Mule show. My buddy and I had been talking about how the DNConvention, having just ended a few days prior, would affect the setlist. We already knew Haynes' stance on Bush (Mr. Man, por ejemplo, at least in my interpretation). We figured we'd get the Don't Step On The Grass, Sam - didn't take long. The War Pigs set closer was "okaaayy, point taken, Warren". The second set left no doubts whatsoever about what Haynes was all about that evening. Our political opinions aren't exactly parellel to his, but the concert was nonetheless a mindblower. Perhaps there just aren't enough songs out there that address the Capital Gains Tax. Anyway, he never came out and said what he felt, but he sure did sing it! Basically, I've come to the conclusion that if a musician HAS to get it out of his system, he/she'd better bring it out with a hell of a lot of talent.

So, it was/is very apparent that the setlist and performance wasn't exactly spontaneous that night. Ol' Haynes had that one cooking for months. Funny stuff. A few days ago I came across the Red Rocks t-shirt for that show, a shirt I hadn't noticed at the merchandise tent that evening, that certainly, absolutely, unequivocally drove home the point of what we were in for that night:

Nice hat, donkey.


 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 12:05 PM
Nice shirt, I have that one.

 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 01:47 PM
I would imagine Jerry would not really support the "system" and old kick out the bums, play musical chairs with the advisors/cabinet personel, and put new bums in until people are sick of them. And the people behind the scenes "advising" stay the same. But Ron Paul message of freedom and keep the government out of people lives seems like something that may have appealed to Jerry.
 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 02:00 PM
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I thought they used to dodge this sort of nonsense.


A lot of people used to dodge this sort of nonsense. Now, after enduring eight years of George W Bush's failures a lot of people aren't dodging any more. The ineptitude of the current administration and the state of our country has awakened everyone and gotten them more involved.

Everyone seems to think that Jerry would have hated this, but nobody knows that. He might just have welcomed it after witnessing what has transpired over the last eight years.

 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 04:52 PM
How about that Ted Nugent!


Seriously, I think I understand. You go see a musician to hear the music, not the politics, unless it's Nugent, RATM, Melissa Ethridge, CSNY, Greenwood, Bob Marley, Patti Smith, The Clash, Dylan, Baez, Eric Schwartz, Dixie Chicks, MTB, Steve Earle, etc. Because all of them and more have always been very political.

It's hard for folks to keep their beliefs separate from their lyrics and if you're passionate about something, you want to share that with others.

I think what I hear is this (and correct me if I'm wrong): "I don't particularly like politics from my musicians but if it's politics that differ from my own politics from musicians I really like, it really upsets me!" Because that's where I'm coming from and it sounds to me like where a lot of you are coming from.

I never knew Jerry, but I did see over 300 dead shows. IMHO, I have no idea where he would be now (politically) and don't think any of you do, either.

 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 04:59 PM
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