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  posted on 9/17/2008 at 01:07 AM

Have not had time to research and verify the truth of the email but it sounds good and is amusing.

* If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic, different."
* Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, it's a quintessential American story.

* If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
* Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, and you're a maverick.

* Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
* Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.

* If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
* If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.

* If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.
* If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.

* If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
* If , while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant , you're very responsible.

* If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.
* If you're husband is nicknamed "First Dude", with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.

The Republican propaganda machine is a remarkable thing. They are really good at this sh!t. "Give the Devil his due." Isn't it disheartening that so many of "we the people" seem to be deluded by it?

 

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  posted on 9/17/2008 at 01:31 AM
I'm curious; if the record of your chosen candidate is so impressive, why feel so defensive if someone so clearly less qualified comes along and is not even you opponent, but your opponet's running mate? Why the need to post these missives proping up your guy and pointing to the weaknesses of the opponents VP selection if these "facts" are so obvious? Why the need to even compare the traits of the Presidental pick of one party against the VP of another?

You guys are a hoot!




[Edited on 9/17/2008 by Fujirich]

 

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  posted on 9/17/2008 at 04:51 AM
Fujirich, don't ask why

 

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  posted on 9/17/2008 at 06:06 AM
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I'm curious; if the record of your chosen candidate is so impressive, why feel so defensive if someone so clearly less qualified comes along and is not even you opponent, but your opponet's running mate? Why the need to post these missives proping up your guy and pointing to the weaknesses of the opponents VP selection if these "facts" are so obvious? Why the need to even compare the traits of the Presidental pick of one party against the VP of another?

You guys are a hoot!

[Edited on 9/17/2008 by Fujirich]


Either you guys really don’t understand how elections work. Or you are going into your faux pas exacerbated mode where you trivialize anything the left does as desperation or paranoia. This is coupled with the latest charge that all these negative stories about McCain are going to backfire. What is more accurate to point out is that these attempts to ridicule democrats are also defensive gambits of the kind where a worried hockey team might scream "you brought your grandmothers to play." The truth is compare and contrast works and negative stories also deflate poll numbers.

On your side of the fence it might be more constructive to watch how the intellectual/anti-intellectual currents are running. There seems to be little tolerance for another eight years of a new Johnny Hayseed among intellectual conservatives. Then you can turn to how evangelicals are viewing McCain’s support for embryonic stem cell research. McCain has also reintroduced immigration as a top issue and this may not fly well with the base. Can Palin keep the base enthused with her two erroneous stock phrases of a bridge to nowhere and thanks but no thanks? What happens when she is asked to explain these two falsehoods during the debate and asked why she has attempted to deceive the Amercian public?

At some point brains, knowledge and facts will prevail and the public will see the McCain/Palin three ring circus for what it is. In the meantime you guys can keep kicking at the knee caps and hope that this distraction works long enough to make it to the election.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2008 at 06:08 AM
Horray for the Truth the Internets bring out, what would we do without this undeniable font of truth and enelightenment....yawn.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2008 at 07:06 AM
Fujirich, I think that ordinarily you would have a great point. No one compared Al Gore to potential VP Dick Cheney back in 2000.

However, even a casual viewing of the past month's news makes it very obvious why Democrats are paying so much attention to Palin: it's because everyone else is!!! It was she, not McCain, who really energized the conservative base; she is credited with McCain's rising poll figures; the buzz is out that people go to see her speeches, not his. She has emerged as the candidate to watch, and therefore to beat.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2008 at 08:08 AM
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I've learned that everything Swifty says is correct. God Damn any of you who dare say anything to contradict him, too.


You're foolin with me cause you know my plan is to get you to support Obama and I think I'm over half way there.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2008 at 08:48 AM
quote:
I'm curious; if the record of your chosen candidate is so impressive, why feel so defensive if someone so clearly less qualified comes along and is not even you opponent, but your opponet's running mate? Why the need to post these missives proping up your guy and pointing to the weaknesses of the opponents VP selection if these "facts" are so obvious? Why the need to even compare the traits of the Presidental pick of one party against the VP of another?

You guys are a hoot!




[Edited on 9/17/2008 by Fujirich]


LOL....the Repubs have spent the past 3 weeks using so much energy to defend their joke of a VP pick that they don't realize that THEY have been the ones "comparing" their girl against the Presidential Dem candidate.....heck, every sentence that Obama speaks is turned into some sort of shot at the Repubs golden girl....Obama wants to talk issues, the Repubs want to talk lipstick. Oh well, whatever keeps the public's attention away from facts will work for Palin.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2008 at 09:23 AM
like i have always said they always give us one dog and pony

and that really isnt a compettetion

 

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  posted on 9/17/2008 at 09:24 AM
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Why the need to even compare the traits of the Presidental pick of one party against the VP of another?




Because it's not beyond comprehension that she could possibly be the President.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2008 at 09:26 AM
For months and months all you could find in this forum were attacks on Obama, attacks on his wife, attacks on his pastor, his church, his past, stories about his brother, his past associations on boards, and on and on.

Now McCain picked a beauty contest winner for VP, and the subject matter has changed. I guess it is natural some would be indignant about that, but I guess they'll have to learn to live with it.

Might want to start getting used to the name "Obama." It might be on a coin someday.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2008 at 09:30 AM
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I've learned that everything Swifty says is correct. God Damn any of you who dare say anything to contradict him, too.


You're foolin with me cause you know my plan is to get you to support Obama and I think I'm over half way there.




Dude - I'd vote for YOU before I'd vote for Obama!




i don't know you scored 10/3 on that little test. I bet 3 weeks ago it would have been 13/0. That about a 20% improvement. Poco a poco.

You should listen to Limbaugh about liberals. He says they'll scramble your mind. If you're in Washingon they'll get ya to vote in ways that you never intended. Very dangerous people. We'll see where you are in a month. Make sure you listen to lots of Floyd.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2008 at 09:38 AM
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At some point brains, knowledge and facts will prevail and the public will see the McCain/Palin three ring circus for what it is. In the meantime you guys can keep kicking at the knee caps and hope that this distraction works long enough to make it to the election.

You're making the mistake of believing that I'm trying to tear down Obama so that McCain looks better. That seems to be your game - one that I'm not playing. I know McCain/Palin isn't a strong ticket, and she's not qualified. I have no delusions in that regard.

But it's still a hoot watching you guys try to promote Obama like he's the greatest thing ever on a presidential ballot. For all your defense of him, and attempts at showing the weaknesses of McCain, why don't you just admit it: your guy is probably the weakest presidential candidate in living memory. I can easily see and honestly state McCain/Palin's weaknesses, why can't you about Obama?

It's as if you believe all the rhetoric he states on the trail or on his site will be the gospel of his administration. Give it a rest guys! Aren't you all old enough to remember a long string of promises from many presidential aspirants which never amounted to anything once they got in office, or worse, were completely reversed?

As to his "qualifications", it's more like a long string of vacation spots he's visited, but never settled into long enough to make a tangible contribution -

- Harvard law review president? Yup; but he never authored an article.

- Community organizer? Yup; but if he did such great things there, why haven't we seen the Dems trot out a single person who he helped? That's the stuff of campaign dreams: use real people who will talk about what the candidate did to help their lives. Have you seen a single one? Not I...

- State Senator? Did he ever author a bill?

- US Senator? Did he ever author a bill?

- Has he ever managed anything where he's the executive, making decisions to which he is solely accountable and responsible? I hear crickets chirping somewhere....

Palin is clearly unqualified. But that fact doesn't make Obama more so.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2008 at 09:52 AM
I've said before that I'd hire a guy with no experience, but the right attitude.

I believe Obama does have lots of experience working in government, and lots of life experience, as well. His resume is not the best in the world, but I don't even keep a resume, so that doesn't matter that much to me. I like what I see so far, and I'm willing to hire him to do the job. He seems to be very sure he can do it, and so do a lot of other smart people. Joe Biden being his right hand man gives him a better chance of doing a good job.

He'll be working with a Democratic Congress. He'll mave a mandate from the people to clean up the mess left by the Republicans, both the wars abroad, and the near collapse of the financial system and the economy at home. I expect Obama to allow some fresh minds to make suggestions concerning a myriad of problems facing this country. He knows the country is sick of business as usual, and he knows he has a job ahead of him.

The Republicans impeached the last Democratic president, then spent 8 years hellbent on destroying this country. It is time for them to go write their memoirs, and let someone else try to repair what they have done.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2008 at 09:56 AM
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Palin is clearly unqualified. But that fact doesn't make Obama more so.


And, to restate the obvious, the comparison is between the Democratic Presidential candidate and the Republican Vice President. It diminishes Obama to compare him to her.

It's like saying the Mets are better than the Yankees Triple A team.

I honestly believe that people are looking for a reason to vote for McCain/Palin and looking for reasons not to vote for Obama. Thus the attacks work against Obama, but backfire against McCain. I don't believe race is the reason, racists have already decided. I dont know why this is, but it feels that way to me.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2008 at 10:12 AM
But the comparisons are obvious. They are the two "new" faces. They are the celebrities. No one is paying attention to Biden or even McCain, much. It isn't the Obama campaign that is doing it. It is the media and the people. And the McCain camp is doing it, too. They are holding her up as being more qualified than Obama. It is natural that there would be a response.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2008 at 10:26 AM
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Isn't it disheartening that so many of "we the people" seem to be deluded by it?


Proof - bush(43) TWICE!

Roughly 40 years ago nixon said, something to the effect, that the majority of the voting public was ignorant.
I remember when I heard this, at that time, that it was the only time I agreed with him.
After all, he was elected twice!

 

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  posted on 9/17/2008 at 10:27 AM
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I've said before that I'd hire a guy with no experience, but the right attitude.

I believe Obama does have lots of experience working in government, and lots of life experience, as well. His resume is not the best in the world, but I don't even keep a resume, so that doesn't matter that much to me. I like what I see so far, and I'm willing to hire him to do the job. He seems to be very sure he can do it, and so do a lot of other smart people. Joe Biden being his right hand man gives him a better chance of doing a good job.

He'll be working with a Democratic Congress. He'll mave a mandate from the people to clean up the mess left by the Republicans, both the wars abroad, and the near collapse of the financial system and the economy at home. I expect Obama to allow some fresh minds to make suggestions concerning a myriad of problems facing this country. He knows the country is sick of business as usual, and he knows he has a job ahead of him.

The Republicans impeached the last Democratic president, then spent 8 years hellbent on destroying this country. It is time for them to go write their memoirs, and let someone else try to repair what they have done.

I'd call that a very honest and reasonable response SCB - nicely done!

 

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  posted on 9/17/2008 at 10:37 AM
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I've said before that I'd hire a guy with no experience, but the right attitude.

I believe Obama does have lots of experience working in government, and lots of life experience, as well. His resume is not the best in the world, but I don't even keep a resume, so that doesn't matter that much to me. I like what I see so far, and I'm willing to hire him to do the job. He seems to be very sure he can do it, and so do a lot of other smart people. Joe Biden being his right hand man gives him a better chance of doing a good job.

He'll be working with a Democratic Congress. He'll mave a mandate from the people to clean up the mess left by the Republicans, both the wars abroad, and the near collapse of the financial system and the economy at home. I expect Obama to allow some fresh minds to make suggestions concerning a myriad of problems facing this country. He knows the country is sick of business as usual, and he knows he has a job ahead of him.

The Republicans impeached the last Democratic president, then spent 8 years hellbent on destroying this country. It is time for them to go write their memoirs, and let someone else try to repair what they have done.



This makes so much sense Allen, but why isn't he ahead in the polls? It seems like it should be such a complete slam dunk for the Dems this time around.

That's why of your whole post, the one thing I question is the use of the word "mandate" - if the poll numbers don't swing dramatically, even if Obama manages to win in the Electoral College, he'll do so with a very small majority, possibly less than 50% of the popular vote and perhaps with less of the popular vote than McCain. That won't be a mandate of any sort.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2008 at 10:45 AM
I don't think the polls are an accurate reflection of the way Americans are thinking. Phone polls exclude the millions of young voters who only have cell phones, and the polls that count "likely voters" and "registered" voters aren't counting all those who will vote for the first time this year.

I would expect Obama's numbers to be higher, and can't really explain why they aren't, except for two things. He's black, and his resume isn't that impressive.

I'm looking forward to the debates.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2008 at 10:51 AM
As far as a mandate, that only applies if he wins big in November. If it is as close as the last two, there will be no mandate.

I don't expect him to "rule with an iron fist" anyway. Remember Bush strutting around, crowing about "I've got political capitol!" ? I don't think we'll see that from Obama, and I think he will truly try to reach across the aisle. That job is much easier with Joe Biden as his man on the Hill.

 

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Thank you, Fuji.

 

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  posted on 9/17/2008 at 11:10 AM
Just got this in an email:

Let's look at the educational background of the candidates and see what they bring to the job:

Obama:
Occidental College - Two years.
Columbia University - B.A. political science with a specialization in international relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude

& Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in history and B.A. in political science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)

vs.

McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class rank 894 out of 899 (meaning that, like George Bush, McCain was at the bottom of his class)

Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in journalism

Now, which team are you going to hire to lead the most influential nation in the world?

 

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  posted on 9/17/2008 at 11:33 AM
bigann - Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard

Just saying...........

 

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  posted on 9/17/2008 at 11:53 AM
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bigann - Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard

Just saying...........


Comparing Palin to Gates is almost as bad as Dan Quayle comparing himself to JFK!

 
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