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  posted on 7/17/2003 at 12:03 PM
I'm very interested in your thoughts concerning this subject.
What if we have a person or persons who has been selling our traded music on ebay, And what if it can be proven without a shadow of a doubt? If in fact it can be proven, What should be done?

 

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  posted on 7/17/2003 at 12:05 PM
Clay,

E-mail the seller, or bid 100000 dollars so no one can get it.
Not to mention, it's against eBay rules to sell CD-Rs.. That's not cool..

[Edited on 7/17/2003 by WasntBorn2Follow]

 

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  posted on 7/17/2003 at 12:13 PM
I would PM the person in private.....let them know that they have been caught.

Give them the chance to stop at once......

Then if they kept on..I would expose them for all here to know.

But I would have to be 100 % sure.......

As far as reporting them for possible legal action....I'm not into that.


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  posted on 7/17/2003 at 12:15 PM
Tie them up in the desert, naked, cut off the testicles and cover him with fire ants. Then, you get mean.

 

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  posted on 7/17/2003 at 12:21 PM
I don't know - I was gonna say post the name right here, right now, so we can all immediately stop trading with the individual...my point being that it's kinda hard to believe that anyone here would not know without a doubt that it's not acceptable.

...but that Kenny is nicer than I am, and he's right - try a private thing talk first...

 

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  posted on 7/17/2003 at 12:23 PM
if i was 100% sure, then i think i would report them to the band management or whoever handles the copyright infringment stuff.

then expose them here for us all to harrass.

that'll oughta learn 'em!

 

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  posted on 7/17/2003 at 12:26 PM
I guess I don't have the exact answer but I do feel we owe it to the band, HTW and ourselves to do whatever is necessary to stop it. The Band could at any time decide to stop allowing taping & trading. This person and people like this person would be the prime reason for the band taking such action. We have a great thing going here and we must do what we can to preserve it.

Maybe it is all of the above, report to Ebay, contact sellers, contact bidders ANYTHING we can do cause it pisses me off to see that stuff anyway. If you know of a particular person let's deal with it. First and foremost nobody should trade with this person. If he is a taper (probably not) we should figure out how to prevent him from taping shows. To be effective stamping it out completely it would take a lot of effort for one or two but as an organized group I believe we could make a difference. I will gladly join a crusade to help prevent the sale of these traded live performances.

I have bought used licensed items from e-bay but I think that is OK? these people that sell disc cases or whatever for big $ and throw in a "Free Live Show" really make me mad. And to make it worse they pass them off as imports or commercil releases. I mad just thinking about it.

 

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  posted on 7/17/2003 at 12:26 PM
Taking advantage of all the traders here and making money off it is really lame. A ban from Trading again isn't that harsh unless it was a one time thing and won't happen again..

 

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  posted on 7/17/2003 at 12:27 PM
Oh, I see...Dickey Betts Band 11.1.88 show is up for auction right now - it's probably the Capt. Skipper remaster version too...

 

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  posted on 7/17/2003 at 12:46 PM
Thats just wrong. Whata skeeez. I gotta see this.
 

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  posted on 7/17/2003 at 01:00 PM
Try what "OldDirtRoad" is saying first. Give this person 24 hours to respond. If the response isn't to our liking then do what "Benjamin" recommends. Contacting ebay should be the last resort, but I'm a baseball fan, and "strike three you are out!" works for me.
 

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  posted on 7/17/2003 at 01:07 PM
Well guys I'm 99% sure, But not 100% sure, And like my brother ODR said, We got to be 100% sure! That needed 1% is crucial, And if all goes well, It will be proven in the form of an email where this person admitted doing it.
If and when I recieve the email, Everyone will know!

The show of interest is the ABB 4/6/73 Old Coot/CaptSkipper project. A very respected person who hardley ever comes here purchased the show from this person, Just to be able to find out who he is, And he did that! The only problem is that this person, I think, Is on vacation. This is the problem with the 1% needed....

And there's nothing in the world that I would like to see more than me be proven wrong.

 

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  posted on 7/17/2003 at 01:08 PM
And what if the individual denies it, then is shown evidence that he is guilty, and then says he will never do it again? Do you continue to trade with him? I say no, but should there be a one year ban, or what? And how would you trust this person to never do it again?

 

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  posted on 7/17/2003 at 01:16 PM
Personally, I find it difficult, if not impossible to imagine, that anyone familiar with the various trade forums found here at the different musician's sites, would not know instantly that it would be unforgiveable to profit from selling a show on ebay, or otherwise profit personally from a show.

I'm maybe not as open minded about this as others. Why would anyone that did so deserve a second chance?

Occurrences like the one described could lead not only to the band completely pulling the plug on taping, trading etc. it strongly dissuades me, and potentially others, from making shows available on these forums.

I have heard recently that almost instantly after the 4/6/73 show became available here and on Dickey's site, that it appeared on ebay. I had a hand and CaptSkipper likewise in helping the fanbase enjoy a classic show, people who should/do appreciate being able to hear this band's music and the joy it can bring. Incidents such as these, no matter how isolated, give me reason to stop offering shows. I would rather deprive a whole lot of people from having a show rather than allow one knothead the opportunity to sell it.

I would never do anything to harm this band, financially, or otherwise. If it is true that someone on these sites has done so,and the proof would need to be irrefutable, to me it's cause to invoke a trading/show availability death sentence on the person involved.

But then, this is only one man's opinion.

 

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  posted on 7/17/2003 at 01:18 PM
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And what if the individual denies it, then is shown evidence that he is guilty, and then says he will never do it again? Do you continue to trade with him? I say no, but should there be a one year ban, or what? And how would you trust this person to never do it again?

I don't think you can! I feel in this case where someone is profiting off of others, It's a one strike and your are out! That's my opinion.....

 

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  posted on 7/17/2003 at 01:22 PM
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Contacting ebay should be the last resort,


i agree with this; ebay doesn't do crap to help in such matters.

SICK 'EM CLAY!!!!

 

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  posted on 7/17/2003 at 01:33 PM
Out em. Don't let them trade. If possible ban them from this site.

 

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  posted on 7/17/2003 at 01:43 PM


I agree.....if your 100% guilty....then...one strike is enough.

It's a quick way to make a good profit on something inexpensive..and some folks will run over anything to do that.

I buy used movies at amazon.com...the other day I purchased a movie that was packaged by a very cheap company...but the seller did not identify that....it was sold as being from a better well known original source. So I wound up paying $9.99 for something that was sold for $ 4.99 when it was new.....that pisses me off...then the dude comes of as "oh I did not know that". Yeah..he knew it.

 

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  posted on 7/17/2003 at 01:51 PM
Coot says some things that are going through my head too. You can make any number of aliases, unlimited, really, and continue to trade here. Just get a PO box and no one is the wiser. You can also use a new name everytime you use ebay too. Makes me reluctant to deal with anyone that I am not 100% sure of their motives. I think it is a banishing offense, selling shows you get from here for free. And we know it is going on. That 11.1.88 show is not widely circulated except for here. And it is on ebay. Someone, maybe more than one, probably more than one, are selling shows they get from here.

 

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  posted on 7/17/2003 at 01:57 PM
Anyone else subscribe to "Goldmine" magazine? I swear, everytime the Captain releases a new gem it's available there as a bootleg ($20 a disc average) a couple of weeks later.

Obviously there are people in this community who ignore the band's wishes and take advantage of the Captain's (and others) hard work for personal profit.

Knock yourself out, if you get caught see you later. No second chance.

 

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  posted on 7/17/2003 at 02:21 PM
The worst thing you could do to them is turn them in to the taxman.
Chances are they are not reporting this. If they are accepting paypal there should be a record of how much they have made. This would be as bad as a plague of locust.

Yes I know this is a pretty ruthless solution.

 

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Anyone else subscribe to "Goldmine" magazine? I swear, everytime the Captain releases a new gem it's available there as a bootleg ($20 a disc average) a couple of weeks later.

Obviously there are people in this community who ignore the band's wishes and take advantage of the Captain's (and others) hard work for personal profit.

Knock yourself out, if you get caught see you later. No second chance.


What???????? Goddammit!!!

I'll tell everybody this and believe me it's true! Because it's being discussed as we speak.
If this shiit continues, Skip's gonna pull the plug on his stuff being offered up publicily.
There will be a small group of people that will get the shows and that will be it!
This way he can police it and will know who has the show, And will know who to go to if there is ever a problem. I kid about alot of stuff, But not this!

 

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  posted on 7/17/2003 at 02:29 PM
That is absolutely uncalled for...selling it in Goldmine mag. Unbelievable...No second chances...

 

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  posted on 7/17/2003 at 02:36 PM
I hate to beat a dead horse here, but I agree. If there's one or two people out there jeopordizing our ability to freely trade these great shows by using them for profit, then we need to bring these folks to light and make sure they don't trade with us again. How terrible it would be to lose the abilty to trade like this because of one or two jacka$$es.

 

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  posted on 7/17/2003 at 02:37 PM
Clay, Skip

Maybe it's time for digital watermarking. If it gets down to that point, it may be the only for "quality control".

Cheers

Carlos "I am curious as to whom is the cad among us" Rivera

ps-the Genesis reweed/remastering folks are having the same problem, folks selling shows they acquired through the network. In fact, they have kicked a few folks off of the list for just such activities, and even worse, they were able to identify individuals who used multiple user names to score mutliple copies of the same show (talk about a lazy scumbag).

[Edited on 7/17/2003 by carlosofcoronado]

 

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