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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 08:10 AM
Holy crap, voting with my dollars actually Freak'n works! It has taken all my strength not to bite on the Road Trips releases, especially with those Bonus "Collectors Crack" discs for pre-orders. Finally, sweet Jerry in heaven, it worked!:

"You've asked for them. Here they are ...FULL SHOW DOWNLOADS"

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 09:21 AM
Sucks FLAC is $4.00 more. Who the hell wants mp3 for $20. Crooks.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 09:25 AM
Actually I was going to amend my comments above, thinking that this much music is probably worth it, and I would pay that for cd's of the same thing. But hasn't the argument been that cd's cost as much as they do because of packaging, production and advertising? How much of those costs apply here? I still think it is a bit overpriced.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 09:41 AM
Is this a pretty good show? I have not purchased much Dead music in the past. The only thing I have is PL&F with Warren.(There and Back) or (Then and Now) I can't remember the name at the moment. That CD and seeing Phil live kind of got me hooked. Would this be a good show for someone that is what you may call "DeadLess"???

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 09:50 AM
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Is this a pretty good show? I have not purchased much Dead music in the past. The only thing I have is PL&F with Warren.(There and Back) or (Then and Now) I can't remember the name at the moment. That CD and seeing Phil live kind of got me hooked. Would this be a good show for someone that is what you may call "DeadLess"???


I'd start with the Dick's Picks series, honestly. I'm buying this one because I'm sure some tracks are great (i.e. the Road Trips choices), but I gotta have the entire show.

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 09:56 AM
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Actually I was going to amend my comments above, thinking that this much music is probably worth it, and I would pay that for cd's of the same thing. But hasn't the argument been that cd's cost as much as they do because of packaging, production and advertising? How much of those costs apply here? I still think it is a bit overpriced.


It's overpriced, for sure, but the Road Trips compilations are retailing for $20 already. You can't have a discussion about overpriced w/o mentioning the ABB's organization. They're charging $25 for 2 disc, 2hr shows that used to be $22 for 3 disc, 2hr 30min(+?) shows for the packaged "Instant Lives". Really stick you on the shipping and handling too (last time I ordered in '07, at least). With the Dead, you pay more and get more. With the ABB, we're paying more and getting less.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 10:01 AM
Thanks. If I like it, the money part doesn't bother me............. I have seen so much music out there in so many releases. Its hard to know where to start with their music.


I do have the old vinyl, Old and In the Way with JG and VC. I played it the other night. Pretty awesome.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 10:38 AM
Awhile back I had a student get me a 40th anniversary coffee cup. Luckily she bought it in California as it came with the label "Contains Lead" The Dead sell coffee cups with Lead paint. I was a little pissed. Corporate profits over the health of their fans. The long strange trip certainly has changed.

Is Bobby still on his macrobiotic diet?

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 10:43 AM
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Awhile back I had a student get me a 40th anniversary coffee cup. Luckily she bought it in California as it came with the label "Contains Lead" The Dead sell coffee cups with Lead paint. I was a little pissed. Corporate profits over the health of their fans. The long strange trip certainly has changed.

Is Bobby still on his macrobiotic diet?


My company gave out coffee mugs with the same sticker a couple of years ago. I honestly believe that there's a lot of lead-painted mugs out there, but California may be the only state that requires the label. Lead paint?!? That's eff'd up, fall of the Roman Empire stuff right there.

 

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Actually I was going to amend my comments above, thinking that this much music is probably worth it, and I would pay that for cd's of the same thing. But hasn't the argument been that cd's cost as much as they do because of packaging, production and advertising? How much of those costs apply here? I still think it is a bit overpriced.


It's overpriced, for sure, but the Road Trips compilations are retailing for $20 already. You can't have a discussion about overpriced w/o mentioning the ABB's organization. They're charging $25 for 2 disc, 2hr shows that used to be $22 for 3 disc, 2hr 30min(+?) shows for the packaged "Instant Lives". Really stick you on the shipping and handling too (last time I ordered in '07, at least). With the Dead, you pay more and get more. With the ABB, we're paying more and getting less.


Actually with the price of the Instant Lives you get the convenience of having it right after the show. I can't speak for Munck Music on that as I don't have any of those.The price you pay later for Instant Lives, I am guessing, is based on the initial price at the show. I believe HTN stocks Instant Lives by trucking them directly to their warehouses after each show. Therefore why wouldn't the price be the same?

 

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Actually I was going to amend my comments above, thinking that this much music is probably worth it, and I would pay that for cd's of the same thing. But hasn't the argument been that cd's cost as much as they do because of packaging, production and advertising? How much of those costs apply here? I still think it is a bit overpriced.


It's overpriced, for sure, but the Road Trips compilations are retailing for $20 already. You can't have a discussion about overpriced w/o mentioning the ABB's organization. They're charging $25 for 2 disc, 2hr shows that used to be $22 for 3 disc, 2hr 30min(+?) shows for the packaged "Instant Lives". Really stick you on the shipping and handling too (last time I ordered in '07, at least). With the Dead, you pay more and get more. With the ABB, we're paying more and getting less.


Actually with the price of the Instant Lives you get the convenience of having it right after the show. I can't speak for Munck Music on that as I don't have any of those.The price you pay later for Instant Lives, I am guessing, is based on the initial price at the show. I believe HTN stocks Instant Lives by trucking them directly to their warehouses after each show. Therefore why wouldn't the price be the same?


I use the phrase "Instant Live" generically, to refer to all the concert recordings since 2003 that I've been buying. Just checked on the '03s, and they're selling for $20, not the $22 I misremembered. A year later they are $25 (2004). Same basic packaging, but the 'convenience' fee is up $5. The Instant Live folks were horrendous with their tracking on-the-fly at shows, resulting in 2hrs of music being spread across 3 cds.

Case in point: http://www.hittinthenote.com/cart2/ps-407-64-allman-brothers-bandbrinstant- live-2005brcommon-ground-music-festivalbrlansing-mi-71205.aspx

How ya' like having 2 30min discs? This is on the back end of the sales, i.e. this is after they took the time to patch up split tracks (like hacking a Mountain Jam or Jessica in half at the show by the IL rocket scientists). I see no reason to take the time to edit, then put out 30min discs like that, unless it's to justify the retail price. You're paying for a 3 disc package, not 2 hours of music.

Now, there are no more Instant Lives to justify that 'convenience' charge, fewer Evening With 2+hr shows, and the 2hr shows have been condensed to 2 discs since 2007. The price remains the same. Would the organization have switched to Munckmusic if their slice of the pie would have gotten smaller? Highly doubtful. I see the world in terms of dollars and cents, and have lived my life trying to figure out where companies earn their profits. I read the fine print. I pay attention. My statement about the overpricing is through observing the slow crawl upwards of cost, and the slow crawl downwards in tangible product.

All that economics crap aside, I freaking love the music and will keep on buying the ILs, but I've just been buying less of them each year. From 5-7 a year, to 2-3 a year.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 12:22 PM
"Now, there are no more Instant Lives to justify that 'convenience' charge,"

What do you mean? People can still pick up the shows immediately after the concert, if that is what you are talking about. They did this on the recent August tour.

And yes, our price needs to match what they charge at the venue, to be consistent. If the price seems high, keep in mind that the venue gets a cut of all this as well.

Don't get me wrong, we're not in business to lose money. However, anyone who thinks HTN is a fantastically lucrative company is sorely mistaken.

 
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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 12:24 PM
Hey Rob, when are the August shows going to be available as I NEED that Red Rock Show

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 12:25 PM
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Hey Rob, when are the August shows going to be available as I NEED that Red Rock Show
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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 12:29 PM
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I can give it up anytime I want to ,no really, I can........

Can't wait until the 09 show!

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 01:16 PM
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"Now, there are no more Instant Lives to justify that 'convenience' charge,"

What do you mean? People can still pick up the shows immediately after the concert, if that is what you are talking about. They did this on the recent August tour.


I stand corrected. I thought things had continued from last year(?) when they weren't available immediately after the show (the price didn't change then though). I am all for the band making good $$ on ILs, and wish the product had been is place many, many years before 2003 for the touring bands I love that don't sell records like N'Sync, but I'll be durned if the sting to my wallet isn't becoming more acute.

Sorry for jacking this thread into an ABB Economics discussion, folks - I'm just very sensitive about my dwindling discretionary dollars.

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 03:10 PM
the lightning bolt messenger bsg is 30 bucks cheaper than 10 years ago

 

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