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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 07:55 AM
So what's next? Is this going to be the "hail Mary" play that saves the Democrats and let's them win the election? I can see it now, Old Joe resigning from running for VP due to health and/or personal reasons, and in his place, Obama chooses Hillary as his "running mate". You know many Democrats are already thinking, if Obama's numbers don't rise dramatically n the next couple of weeks, that maybe "Joe needs to go". Btw, Joe has already pissed off the Catholic bishops this past weekend,

http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2008/09/10/bishops-criticize-bidens-abor tion-statements/

wonder what Catholics are going to hear at this weekend Mass?

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Biden endorses Hillary for VP, kind of
By Jimmy Orr
Tired of all the Palin news?

All it took was a little nudge and Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden proved he could get himself back in the news-cycle by saying he was unqualified. Well, that’s how the McCain campaign is translating Senator Biden’s words anyway.

Mr. Biden actually was being gracious when an attendee at an event in New Hampshire in a rambling almost nonsensical endorsement said he wasn’t a fan of Hillary Clinton and thought Barack Obama made a wise move in selecting the Senator from Delaware.

Modesty? Senator Biden?

Biden, who has yet to win the coveted Mr. Humility award, flashed a little modesty however by stating that Senator Clinton was not only qualified but could have been the better choice.

“Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America,” Biden told the crowd. “Let’s get that straight. She’s a truly close personal friend; she is qualified to be president of the United States of America. She’s easily qualified to be vice president of the United States of America and, quite frankly, it might have been a better pick than me, but she is first-rate.”

Rapid response

Almost seconds after Biden uttered those words did the McCain campaign light up like a neon Christmas tree in Las Vegas and blast a transcript of his remarks out to the media to make some hay.

McCain spokesman Ben Porritt followed the transcript up with some words of his own.

“Barack Obama’s most important decision of this election and Biden - the candidate he selects suggests himself that he wasn’t the right man for the job and that Hillary Clinton would have been a better choice,” Porritt said. “Biden certainly has a credible viewpoint on this.”

No swift boat this year

The gracious Joe Biden lasted only so long, however. When discussing Republican attack ads, Biden referenced the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth campaign against John Kerry in 2004 and said he’s not going to let that happen again.

“Swiftboating is not going to work this time, and the reason it’s not is No. 1, I’m going to smack ‘em right square in the chops,” Biden said.



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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 08:17 AM
Big deal. Joe Biden said Hillary was qualified to be President, or Vice President.

I like the way FOX is spinning this: "Joe Biden Questions Obama's Judgment."

But clearly you don't have to go to FOX to get the right wing spin.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 08:46 AM
The article answers its own questions by rightly pointing out Joe was being gracious and showing some humility in saying nice things about HRC. This is sure a word-twisting parallel universe in which we reside.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 08:46 AM
You know deep down in your heart Hillary would be a better VP. As it is, Obama's pick of Biden as a VP makes a complete joke out of his change message. Anyway here's the skinny on Joe.

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Biden Time
Obama finds his Dick Cheney.

By W. James Antle III

The Democratic Party didn’t set out to hand its nomination to the least experienced major presidential candidate. But if Democrats wanted a nominee who stood from the beginning with the majority of their voters against the invasion of Iraq—and they did not want to nominate Dennis Kucinich or Mike Gravel—they had little choice. Barack Obama’s response to the charge that he was unprepared to lead was simple: he alone among the viable contenders possessed the judgment to oppose the Iraq War before the shock and awe faded. Implicit in this rejoinder was a willingness to reject the soft neoconservatism that has come to dominate the Democratic foreign-policy establishment.

So what message did Obama send by picking Joe Biden as his running mate? A Gilda Radner-like, “Nevermind.” Certainly, Obama could have done worse. Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine would have given the Democrats a pair of leaders who began the decade in the Illinois state senate and on the Richmond city council. Evan Bayh would have given Obama a running mate who voted for the Bush tax cuts and a Republican opponent who voted against them.

It is nevertheless difficult to reconcile Obama’s choice with a desire to shake up the Democratic establishment—Biden, a classic Washington pol, is a fixture of that elite. He has been in the Senate for six terms and first made a run for the Democratic presidential nomination 20 years ago, back when Neil Kinnock was actually the British Labour leader and not merely some fellow whose speeches Biden once cribbed.

Biden voted for the Iraq War, agreeing with the Bush administration that Saddam Hussein in 2002 was “a long term threat and a short term threat to our national security,” as well as “an extreme danger to the world.” As late as 2007, he was defending the original rationale for the war. On “Meet the Press,” Biden said of Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction, “everyone in the world thought he had them. The weapons inspectors said he had them. … This was not some, some Cheney, you know, pipe dream.”

In 2005, Biden told the Brookings Institution that withdrawing from Iraq would be a “gigantic mistake” and any “deadline for pulling out, which I fear will only encourage our enemies to wait us out” would be “equally a mistake.” In the run-up to the 2008 Democratic primaries, however, he criticized Obama and Hillary Clinton for voting against Iraq funding bills that did not contain a timetable for withdrawal, arguing that it would result in American forces having to return at a later date. Such rhetoric is little different from John McCain’s.

During the 1990s, Biden was clamoring for U.S. forces to intervene in the Balkans even before McCain did. He supported airstrikes against Serbia and the Kosovo war before Bill Clinton. Since then, he has favored humanitarian involvement in all the usual places, including Georgia and Darfur.

That’s not to say he has never departed from our current foreign policy in any significant way. Biden worked with Republican Sen. Richard Lugar to craft a more restrictive war resolution that would have required President Bush to exhaust all diplomatic options before using force —though, again, he voted for the more permissive resolution that actually passed. He also worked with Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel to oppose the surge. Biden has advocated a soft partition of Iraq as a way of ending sectarian strife. And his call to make security aid to Pakistan conditional on results represents an effort to refocus the war on terror on al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

Little of this amounts to a major rethinking of American foreign policy nearly two decades after the end of the Cold War, however. Rather than standing athwart the Bush Doctrine yelling stop, Biden’s counsel is “Slow down and bring more friends.” It would be less significant if this were the only sign that Obama’s thinking on this subject was mostly conventional. When Ronald Reagan chose the elder George Bush in 1980, it was clear that he still intended to nudge the Republican Party to the right even if he was willing to work with the country-club old guard. Obama, by contrast, has been sending mixed signals about where he would lead his party.

Obama selected Biden to address a real political problem. As Jay Cost observed on the RealClearPolitics website, the race has so far been close because jittery Republicans nominated a candidate who can appeal beyond their base and distance himself from Bush while confident Democrats opted for a nominee with a slender résumé and exotic background. Swing voters tend to agree with Obama that the Iraq War was a mistake, but still think McCain is better qualified to be commander in chief. Biden is supposed to add experience and gravitas to the ticket.

It’s easy to imagine a bolder choice—someone who recognized the folly of Iraq early on but still has foreign-policy credentials, and a long record of defending our country from threats to national security, a candidate who does not embrace Pax Americana, yet whose Cold War history makes him impossible to caricature as a pacifist. Jim Webb could have played that role, or Sam Nunn, or perhaps—in a reverse Lieberman—even Chuck Hagel. But that would have required a Democratic Party more interested in a prudent approach to international affairs than gays in the military or abortion on demand.

Understanding the Democrats’ priorities helps explain why Obama went with a safe pick who toes the party line on domestic policy and goes with the flow on foreign affairs. Biden is a smart and capable man, whose talents are well suited for the Senate. He can savagely attack Robert Bork or Clarence Thomas one minute, then deliver a moving eulogy for Strom Thurmond the next—post-Trent Lott. He can support a partial-birth- abortion ban and then denounce the Supreme Court when it upholds the very law he voted for. Biden’s wit and blue-collar persona will help balance Obama’s aloofness and lack of appeal to white working-class Catholics. On the other hand, his windbaggery may weigh down an already loquacious ticket. The Politico warns, “the Obama team will spend some sleepless nights wondering what he might say at any given moment.” Newsweek’s Howard Fineman says simply, “He can’t keep his mouth shut.”

Opposition researchers will surely have a field day with Biden’s gaffes, temperament, money from lobbyists, and especially his past criticisms of Obama’s readiness for the presidency. Yet the biggest vote of no-confidence may have come from Barack Obama himself. In choosing Joe Biden for vice president, he was seeking a reassuring old establishment hand, a second Dick Cheney. That doesn’t say much about his stomach for undoing the handiwork of the first one.


 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 08:47 AM
Wow, usually CUH waits until the actual thread before he posts something disengenous.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 08:54 AM
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The article answers its own questions by rightly pointing out Joe was being gracious and showing some humility in saying nice things about HRC.


Might have been gracious but it was a stupid thing to say. Many supporters of Hillary are still angry about how they and Hillary were treated by the Obama campaign. To have Obama's VP pick saying that Hillary "might have been a better pick than me", is essentiallly rubbing salt into that particular wound. Of course, that's the thing about Joe Biden, is that he has the tendency to say things without thinking of the political implications of his remarks.

 

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The article answers its own questions by rightly pointing out Joe was being gracious and showing some humility in saying nice things about HRC.


Might have been gracious but it was a stupid thing to say. Many supporters of Hillary are still angry about how they and Hillary were treated by the Obama campaign. To have Obama's VP pick saying that Hillary "might have been a better pick than me", is essentiallly rubbing salt into that particular wound. Of course, that's the thing about Joe Biden, is that he has the tendency to say things without thinking of the political implications of his remarks.


Can't speak for others, but this HRC voter took no offense. And I thought she would not be a good fit as VP, as a Pres does not need to be overshadowed once in ofc (little chance on the GOP side!). As for Joe saying what he thinks, politics be damned, I find that a rare, refreshing quality.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 09:05 AM
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Of course, that's the thing about Joe Biden, is that he has the tendency to say things without thinking of the political implications of his remarks.


Which is one of the main reasons I like him.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 09:07 AM
If Hillary was on the ticket, chalk up a loss for the Obama/Clinton ticket. Hillary is the single most hated person in politics by the right, and Republicans would have turned out in droves to vote against her. Biden was just being gracious, and didn't come across as stupid at all.

The "Hillary divide" among the Democrats was overblown then and it's overblown now.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 09:11 AM
Fred and his friends on the right are watching every word Biden says, hoping he'll be the "gaffe machine" they all claim he is. So I guess we can expect more of this as the campaign goes on.

I think someone looks stupid here, and it isn't Joe Biden.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 09:38 AM
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I think someone looks stupid here, and it isn't Joe Biden.


Allen, you shouldn't talk about yourself in such a way.

Obama picked Biden, as he doesn't have "clue one" on how to get things done in Washington should he win the Presidency. Let's hope that if the phone rings in the White House at 3 a.m. that Obama has Biden on "speed dial".

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 09:39 AM
So he said Hillary is very qualified, whats the big deal ?

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 09:41 AM
I wasn't talking about myself, Fred, but I'm sure you know that.

Obama has been a Senator for four years, yet in your world he doesn't have a clue how to get things done in Washington.

I don't even know if Palin has ever even been to Washington.

Do you think she has a "clue" how to get things done there?

 

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Do you think she has a "clue" how to get things done there?


I'm sure she does, she'll tell you. Just ask her. No, wait a second....

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 09:52 AM
I'm trying to imagine calls on speed dial to Palin from a McCain White House:

Cindy likes those rimless glasses, who makes them?
What's the best trout lure?
Are mooseburgers good? Really?
What exactly does the hockey penalty of icing mean?
Why do you call them snowmachines instead of mobiles like the rest of us?

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 10:00 AM
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I'm trying to imagine calls on speed dial to Palin from a McCain White House:

Cindy likes those rimless glasses, who makes them?
What's the best trout lure?
Are mooseburgers good? Really?
What exactly does the hockey penalty of icing mean?
Why do you call them snowmachines instead of mobiles like the rest of us?
That's funny!!

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 10:14 AM
This is just another disingenuous distortion among the tons already out there from Camp McCain. What Fred fails to report in all of this is that a question by one of the people in the audience prompted this answer and if you actually do the research and find out what the question was, you will see that he was being gracious and defending her to the person who asked the question.

I will not post it here but do your own homework and put the full context of this out there before you make judgments. You should do your homework; factcheck.org can barely keep up with the distortion and out and out falsehoods coming out of Camp McCain. If this election was being won on the fact of who can distort and lie the most, Camp McCain would win hands down. But this is how it always goes does it not? History yet again repeats itself and you will wonder when it all goes to pot, how allowed this happen again. And I am not talking about the dumb bloggers on both sides but the actual campaigns themselves.

At the end of the day Colin Powell’s words will ring true, “You broke it, you own it”. But generally when the bill comes due all I see is how people will avoid the mail carrier, will avoid the mail box and pretend they had nothing to do with it. People voted and put these charlatans in office, have you forgotten? And you expect me to believe that I should trust your judgment in these matters again?

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 10:16 AM
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You should do your homework; factcheck.org can barely keep up with the distortion and out and out falsehoods coming out of Camp McCain.


factcheck.org is more than a little pi$$ed at the McCain campaign today.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 10:53 AM
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What Fred fails to report in all of this is that a question by one of the people in the audience prompted this answer and if you actually do the research and find out what the question was, you will see that he was being gracious and defending her to the person who asked the question.



Patty,

Go back to the orginal article that I posted in this thread and you read the following

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Mr. Biden actually was being gracious when an attendee at an event in New Hampshire in a rambling almost nonsensical endorsement said he wasn’t a fan of Hillary Clinton and thought Barack Obama made a wise move in selecting the Senator from Delaware.



so, for you to say that I "fails to report in all of this is that a question by one of the people in the audience" is incorrect as that information was included in the article that I posted.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 11:13 AM
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I'm trying to imagine calls on speed dial to Palin from a McCain White House:

Cindy likes those rimless glasses, who makes them?
What's the best trout lure?
Are mooseburgers good? Really?
What exactly does the hockey penalty of icing mean?
Why do you call them snowmachines instead of mobiles like the rest of us?


Why did you fire that librarian for "not fully supporting the mayor" when you asked the question about banning books?

[Edited on 9/11/2008 by SquatchTexas]

 

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What Fred fails to report in all of this is that a question by one of the people in the audience prompted this answer and if you actually do the research and find out what the question was, you will see that he was being gracious and defending her to the person who asked the question.



Patty,

Go back to the orginal article that I posted in this thread and you read the following

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Mr. Biden actually was being gracious when an attendee at an event in New Hampshire in a rambling almost nonsensical endorsement said he wasn&#8217;t a fan of Hillary Clinton and thought Barack Obama made a wise move in selecting the Senator from Delaware.



so, for you to say that I "fails to report in all of this is that a question by one of the people in the audience" is incorrect as that information was included in the article that I posted.


And it totally contradicts your thread, and the implication that Biden is endorsing Clinton for VP. Please pick a position and stick with it.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 11:42 AM
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I'm trying to imagine calls on speed dial to Palin from a McCain White House:

Cindy likes those rimless glasses, who makes them?
What's the best trout lure?
Are mooseburgers good? Really?
What exactly does the hockey penalty of icing mean?
Why do you call them snowmachines instead of mobiles like the rest of us?


LMAO!!! Very funny!
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So he said Hillary is very qualified, whats the big deal ?
There is none, Jon - only in some desperate minds looking to fertilize a field of manure.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 06:47 PM
This is what was said:

A man in the audience told Biden how glad he was that Obama picked him over Hillary "not because she's a woman, but because of the things she did in the past."

vs. what your article said:

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an attendee at an event in New Hampshire in a rambling almost nonsensical endorsement said he wasn’t a fan of Hillary Clinton and thought Barack Obama made a wise move in selecting the Senator from Delaware


Biden's response:

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“Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America,” Biden told the crowd. “Let’s get that straight. She’s a truly close personal friend; she is qualified to be president of the United States of America. She’s easily qualified to be vice president of the United States of America and, quite frankly, it might have been a better pick than me, but she is first-rate.”


The article states that it is nonsensical? How so? Is Hillary qualified or possibly in some sense more qualified? You could argue that she is. Would Hillary's past be an issue? Actually it is not her past but more the Bill factor in her case. Could Hillary have debated Palin in a way that he will not be able to? Yes, because she would not be able to pull the victim card so as an afterthought or hinds sight Hillary would have been the better pick as she would not have been hamstrung like Biden will be. Because Governor Palin is now in victim mode she will have to be debated differently and that was not a factor when he was chosen. If it were Hillary this would not be an issue, as a man on the Republican side would have debated her with both guns blazing.

At the end of the day if I had to choose which of the three I would rather see going head to head with some of the world's despots, I would pick either Hillary or Biden over Governor Palin because they are not ones to hide behind the victim card.

So your article fails to actually state what the man said and it is still disingenuous to state that this is an endorsement.

 

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