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  posted on 9/9/2008 at 07:46 PM
Obama outdid himself today.

"You know, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig."

Regardless of context, intentions, or any other excuses, it was still a colossal blunder, and I'm certain the Republicans are going to get a lot of mileage out of it.

An equally common expression, more for someone of McCain's era, is "n***** in the woodpile." If he'd said that, he'd be gutted, drawn and quartered, and left out to dry.

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

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  posted on 9/9/2008 at 08:07 PM
To paraphrase Freud....sometimes an expression is just an expression.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2008 at 08:09 PM
From the Urban Dictionary:

putting lipstick on a pig

A term used by many, generally in reference to someone who may be trying to make something or someone look appealing or attractive when it quite clearly will not work, or will only deceive the dumbest of people.

Car salesmen are generally good at "putting lipstick on a pig" because they are always selling unroadworthy buckets of **** .

 

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  posted on 9/9/2008 at 08:24 PM
I hope nobody says a word about it because he didn't mean anything by it and enough is enough with both sides on these things. Elections have become gaffe machines.

 

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From the Urban Dictionary:

putting lipstick on a pig

A term used by many, generally in reference to someone who may be trying to make something or someone look appealing or attractive when it quite clearly will not work, or will only deceive the dumbest of people.

Car salesmen are generally good at "putting lipstick on a pig" because they are always selling unroadworthy buckets of **** .



Now, you stop coming in here with your hoity toity facts and screwing up the discussion for the rest of us!!!

 

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  posted on 9/9/2008 at 08:27 PM
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Obama outdid himself today.

"You know, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig."

Regardless of context, intentions, or any other excuses, it was still a colossal blunder, and I'm certain the Republicans are going to get a lot of mileage out of it.

An equally common expression, more for someone of McCain's era, is "n***** in the woodpile." If he'd said that, he'd be gutted, drawn and quartered, and left out to dry.

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

Billastro




Amazing. Maybe I read you wrong, Bill, but I always took you for someone a little older than that. That particular saying has been around for a very, very long time. It has nothing to do with implying someone is a pig. I figured an older person would know the saying.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2008 at 08:37 PM
Gee, I wonder who first used that 'lipstick' reference?

It is a puzzlement indeed that Palin uses that expression when she adlibed it in her acceptance speech at the Repub Convention & Obama comes out and attacks back with the same reference in a derogatory, and thinly veiled, misogynistic way.

Either he clumsily adlibed, or his handlers thought this was somehow a funny bit of 'doin' the dozens'. Either way, I don't think it's gonna play well across the heartland.

He seems to be getting desperate. Keep it up Obama. Please, keep it up.

 

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Gee, I wonder who first used that 'lipstick' reference?

It is a puzzlement indeed that Palin uses that expression when she adlibed it in her acceptance speech at the Repub Convention & Obama comes out and attacks back with the same reference in a derogatory, and thinly veiled, misogynistic way.

Either he clumsily adlibed, or his handlers thought this was somehow a funny bit of 'doin' the dozens'. Either way, I don't think it's gonna play well across the heartland.

He seems to be getting desperate. Keep it up Obama. Please, keep it up.


Wow, another one that doesnt know that the phrase is older than dirt.

Duurrrr, hey Cletus, whats a met a for?

 

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Gee, I wonder who first used that 'lipstick' reference?

It is a puzzlement indeed that Palin uses that expression when she adlibed it in her acceptance speech at the Repub Convention & Obama comes out and attacks back with the same reference in a derogatory, and thinly veiled, misogynistic way.

Either he clumsily adlibed, or his handlers thought this was somehow a funny bit of 'doin' the dozens'. Either way, I don't think it's gonna play well across the heartland.

He seems to be getting desperate. Keep it up Obama. Please, keep it up.


Wow, another one that doesnt know that the phrase is older than dirt.

Duurrrr, hey Cletus, whats a met a for?


Sounds a little codescending ST.

Hows the air up there on Mt. Olympus?


[Edited on 9/10/2008 by dutchoneill]

 

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Gee, I wonder who first used that 'lipstick' reference?

It is a puzzlement indeed that Palin uses that expression when she adlibed it in her acceptance speech at the Repub Convention & Obama comes out and attacks back with the same reference in a derogatory, and thinly veiled, misogynistic way.

Either he clumsily adlibed, or his handlers thought this was somehow a funny bit of 'doin' the dozens'. Either way, I don't think it's gonna play well across the heartland.

He seems to be getting desperate. Keep it up Obama. Please, keep it up.


Wow, another one that doesnt know that the phrase is older than dirt.

Duurrrr, hey Cletus, whats a met a for?

I understand the phrase is old, enlightened one. I've heard my Great Grandfather use to use it many times. But I don't think that you and the rest of the ObamaNation can get to enough of the 'flyovers' to explain it's use against Palin's remark. It was a clumsy reference at least, derogatory at worst. Besides, if you have to explain your joke, it ain't funny. And I do love the way you tried to turn the subject. Nice try.

BTW, love your typical ad hominems, you're really winning hearts & minds with you airs of superiority.

Like I said, I hope you and the rest of the ObamaNation keep this up, at least for the next 2 months.

 

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I don't like that Obama used old hackneyed expressions. The only thing worse is if he'd used "at the end of the day..." Anyone can see Gov Palin is no pig (bright, articulate and clean, sez Biden).

 

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I don't like that Obama used old hackneyed expressions. The only thing worse is if he'd used "at the end of the day..." Anyone can see Gov Palin is no pig (bright, articulate and clean, sez Biden).


It doesn't sound like the sort of thing Obama would ever say so it sounds contrived. A candidate needs to speak in their own cadences.

 

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I don't like that Obama used old hackneyed expressions. The only thing worse is if he'd used "at the end of the day..." Anyone can see Gov Palin is no pig (bright, articulate and clean, sez Biden).


It doesn't sound like the sort of thing Obama would ever say so it sounds contrived. A candidate needs to speak in their own cadences.


The same could be said about McCain's co-opting the change mantra. So Obama goes old-school on McCain.

 

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Gee, I wonder who first used that 'lipstick' reference?

It is a puzzlement indeed that Palin uses that expression when she adlibed it in her acceptance speech at the Repub Convention & Obama comes out and attacks back with the same reference in a derogatory, and thinly veiled, misogynistic way.

Either he clumsily adlibed, or his handlers thought this was somehow a funny bit of 'doin' the dozens'. Either way, I don't think it's gonna play well across the heartland.

He seems to be getting desperate. Keep it up Obama. Please, keep it up.


Wow, another one that doesnt know that the phrase is older than dirt.

Duurrrr, hey Cletus, whats a met a for?


Sounds a little codescending ST.

Hows the air up there on Mt. Olympus?


[Edited on 9/10/2008 by dutchoneill]


When did you guys on the right get all PC? Is Palin so sensitive that she is offended by an old saying that isn't even about her? No wonder she won't do interviews.


Nice try John. I'm hoping that at some point Obama has more than insults to rally his base.

She won't do interviews because she might be called a pig? Give me a cogient thought that ties together the "pig" reference with her not doing interviews (yet)
Or are they two seperate things that you just joined together?

 

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So I'm guessing 'you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear' is off limits too?

 

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There is no possible way that he was not referring to her. I know he mentioned McCain immediately before the remark. Of course he did, it was a purposeful misdirection so he could use the line and have a plausible explanation that it wasn't in reference to her.

The only other possibility is that he didn't realize the association in which case, he's too dumb to be president. He's not dumb.

It is simply too obvious.

And the idea that this expression does not refer to women???? Guys use it all the time and trust me ladies, they're talking about you. Of course it gets used in other situations, but the most common use of the phrase is to describe ugly/promiscuous women - that is what a "pig" is. Of course it had other origins, and of course it's used in other ways, but the connotation is a derogatory reference to a woman.

He's right, he's not like all the other politicians, he's WORSE.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2008 at 09:56 PM
We can't be mean to poor little Sarah now can we? It's okay for her to go out and ridicule Obama and Biden in her strident nasal twang though. Got it.....Sarah good....rebuttal bad.....old sayings fodder for victimization.

 

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There is no possible way that he was not referring to her. I know he mentioned McCain immediately before the remark. Of course he did, it was a purposeful misdirection so he could use the line and have a plausible explanation that it wasn't in reference to her.

The only other possibility is that he didn't realize the association in which case, he's too dumb to be president. He's not dumb.

It is simply too obvious.

And the idea that this expression does not refer to women???? Guys use it all the time and trust me ladies, they're talking about you. Of course it gets used in other situations, but the most common use of the phrase is to describe ugly/promiscuous women - that is what a "pig" is. Of course it had other origins, and of course it's used in other ways, but the connotation is a derogatory reference to a woman.

He's right, he's not like all the other politicians, he's WORSE.




Hey Gregg, try reading the thread before you post. This is an earlier post in this thread

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From the Urban Dictionary:

putting lipstick on a pig

A term used by many, generally in reference to someone who may be trying to make something or someone look appealing or attractive when it quite clearly will not work, or will only deceive the dumbest of people.

Car salesmen are generally good at "putting lipstick on a pig" because they are always selling unroadworthy buckets of **** .







I read the thread...forgive me for offering my personal observation on the use of the term. That's what I was referring to when I said "and the idea that this expression does not refer to women"

No matter what its origin, and no matter the context, the phrase should be construed as offensive to women because the "pig" and "lipstick" references are now melded with usage of "pig" as a promiscuous but ugly woman. It is a double entendre. To interpret it otherwise is naive.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2008 at 10:28 PM
It was just a few months ago when we got this beauty via McCain re: Hilary:

"Irony aside, the McCain camp misrepresents the facts of the encounter with the lady in South Carolina who asked, "How do we beat the bitch?" McCain did not first respond by noting his respect for Clinton before talking up his electability, as Davis asserts in the email.
Rather, he laughed along with the rest of the crowd, cracked a joke and then laughed some more at another joke before deeming the inquiry "a good question." Then he cited favorable polling data. After all this, he noted his respect for his colleague.
McCain's campaign didn't respond when asked about the discrepancy."

Obviously MCain got past that one.


 

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I don't like that Obama used old hackneyed expressions. The only thing worse is if he'd used "at the end of the day..." Anyone can see Gov Palin is no pig (bright, articulate and clean, sez Biden).
It doesn't sound like the sort of thing Obama would ever say so it sounds contrived. A candidate needs to speak in their own cadences.
First, I've heard the sound bite a couple of times. It's Obama's voice, unmistakeably so.

My age has nothing to do with the matter (nice try, Squatch, with your typical ad hominem response. Did you read my earlier post as to how you seem to have turned into a cranky curmudgeon? BTW, I'm something of a curmudgeon myself, but better natured, methinks.).

It isn't about offending Sarah, either.

My point was that, regardless of context or anything else, it was a singularly inept way to express whatever point Obama was trying to make. It doesn't matter whether he offends Sarah, for cryin' out loud. But it's the voters and their reactions that will matter.

Whether Obama denies malice, explains what he had in mind -- or anything else of that sort -- it's the kind of statement that the media (at least talk radio, which has quite a bit of influence) and McPalin's supporters -- official or otherwise -- can and will run with.

The aftermath should be very entertaining!

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It's certainly a sound-bite styled detraction from what Palin and McCain don't want people discussing: the distortions and lies in her speech, the fact that she can't face the press, McCain's remarkable flip-flops of the past 8 years.

Obama predicted in his speech that the Republicans would throw a lot of insubstantial "who's more patriotic" yap around and avoid really talking about the issues, and he was right.

 

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It was just a few months ago when we got this beauty via McCain re: Hilary:

"Irony aside, the McCain camp misrepresents the facts of the encounter with the lady in South Carolina who asked, "How do we beat the bitch?" McCain did not first respond by noting his respect for Clinton before talking up his electability, as Davis asserts in the email.
Rather, he laughed along with the rest of the crowd, cracked a joke and then laughed some more at another joke before deeming the inquiry "a good question." Then he cited favorable polling data. After all this, he noted his respect for his colleague.
McCain's campaign didn't respond when asked about the discrepancy."

Obviously MCain got past that one.





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  posted on 9/9/2008 at 10:43 PM
Greg, I've only heard that phrase used a dozen or so times in my life, and never once was anyone talking about a woman. They were talking about something we were working on, trying to make something out of nothing. I don't even know how Obama used it, but I've never heard anyone use it talking about a woman.

 

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Duane always said "eat a peach for peace". I would imagine that if he were around nowadays, he'd be saying "you fu<kers need to eat a carton of peaches everyday for peace"....

Of course Duane was referring to Georgia peaches....the two legged kind.

 

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When did you guys on the right get all PC? Is Palin so sensitive that she is offended by an old saying that isn't even about her? No wonder she won't do interviews.


Please enlighten us peatboggers.... can you please post where Palin was offended by Obama's misogynistic remark, as you allude? Those of us that are considered unwashed await your enlightened retort.

 

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