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Author: Subject: So Much For A 'Green" Dem Convention In Denver- 12,000 American Flags In Trash

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  posted on 9/6/2008 at 11:55 AM
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http://blogs.denverpost.com/opinion/2008/09/06/republican-recycling/

Republican Recycling
by David Harsanyi on September 6, 2008

This morning, Republicans tell me that a worker at Invesco Field in Denver saved thousands of unused flags from the Democratic National Convention that were headed for the garbage. Guerrilla campaigning. They will use these flags at their own event today in Colorado Springs with John McCain and Sarah Palin.

Before McCain speaks today, veterans will haul these garbage bags filled with flags out onto the stage — with dramatic effect, no doubt — and tell the story.

“What you see in the picture I sent you is less than half of total flags,” a Republican official emailed. “We estimate the total number to be around 12,000 small flags and one full size 3×5 flag.”


 

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A local radio host from here in Charlotte was reporting from the Dems convention and looked into this whole "green" thing they were claiming. They were making a big deal about separating trash and recycling. When following the garbage as it left the convention, it was found that all the separated garbage was tossed together in the same common dump. But hey, the appearance is always more important than the substance, right?

 

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Republican Recycling
by David Harsanyi on September 6, 2008

This morning, Republicans tell me that a worker at Invesco Field in Denver saved thousands of unused flags from the Democratic National Convention that were headed for the garbage. Guerrilla campaigning. They will use these flags at their own event today in Colorado Springs with John McCain and Sarah Palin.

Before McCain speaks today, veterans will haul these garbage bags filled with flags out onto the stage — with dramatic effect, no doubt — and tell the story.

“What you see in the picture I sent you is less than half of total flags,” a Republican official emailed. “We estimate the total number to be around 12,000 small flags and one full size 3×5 flag.”





These flags where separated and put to the side as you can see by their packaging to be re-used at future rallies in order to curb wasteful spending in the campaign and were not to be thrown away. Apparently they were taken by an unnamed employee, by the way employees are not supposed to remove anything from an arena, not even trash. It looks like they are being used now by the McCain supporters and could in fact be stolen property. So the news flash could be "Republicans Steal Flags From Democrats to be used at their Rally's"! There will be a bit more on this when further investigated, which it will.

But the real story here is that the cultural war is rolling on like a steamroller, by allowing a party in this country to continue to question the patriotism of others by appearing to be more patriotic, continue to to question the faith of the opposition by appearing to be more godly, continue to question the family values of others by appearing family oriented, etc, etc.

[Edited on 9/6/2008 by PattyG]

 

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  posted on 9/6/2008 at 01:47 PM
I maybe going out on a limb here, but I am going to guess that this thread will be ignored and slowly float to to the bottom of the page.

Maybe not.

 

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  posted on 9/6/2008 at 01:48 PM
It won't be.

 

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  posted on 9/6/2008 at 01:53 PM
Im with Patty on this. What a complete crock of shiat. And Fuji, just because the Dems went to the effort to have a "green" convention, they are NOT responsible for what happens to the trash after the fact. We had a similar issue here in town years ago when it was learned that the recycling materials that people had turned in were being accidentally tossed out with normal garbage by the city. Once it was discovered, they went to greater lengths to ensure the problem was corrected.

 

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  posted on 9/6/2008 at 01:57 PM
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It won't be.


Thank God

 

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  posted on 9/6/2008 at 01:58 PM
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Im with Patty on this. What a complete crock of shiat. And Fuji, just because the Dems went to the effort to have a "green" convention, they are NOT responsible for what happens to the trash after the fact. We had a similar issue here in town years ago when it was learned that the recycling materials that people had turned in were being accidentally tossed out with normal garbage by the city. Once it was discovered, they went to greater lengths to ensure the problem was corrected.


But American flags?... I mean come on ...trash?

 

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  posted on 9/6/2008 at 01:59 PM
I don't care what party it is, those flags better be made in the USA and not China - that would be the bigger issue for me.
 

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  posted on 9/6/2008 at 02:00 PM
Were they actually designated as trash? No!

[Edited on 9/6/2008 by PattyG]

 

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  posted on 9/6/2008 at 02:00 PM
Cultural war. This is the issue. Always. Maybe this is the 'reaching across to anyone who will help' plank of the McCain platform in action.

 

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  posted on 9/6/2008 at 03:13 PM
This story is making me dizzy.

Are there any issues that we can fight about?

 

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Here is the DNC side of the story;

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COLORADO SPRINGS - Some supporters of Sen. John McCain brought trash bags of American flags they say they found after Sen. Barack Obama spoke at INVESCO Field at Mile High to a rally for McCain and his running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin.

McCain supporters said a vendor found the trash bags full of flags after the Aug. 28 event.

In a statement, Damon Jones with the Democratic National Convention said, "Stories circulating about flags from the Democratic National Convention are false. More than 125,000 American made flags were distributed at the Convention - any flags removed from the Convention after the event were taken without authorization."

Jones continued by saying, "It's disappointing that someone would take American flags without authorization and then falsely describe their intended purpose. We have the utmost respect for the American flag and it's sad to see them being used for a cheap political stunt."

U.S. Code says the proper method for disposing of an American flag is actually burning, provided it is "no longer a fitting emblem for display."

The United States Flag Store, which sells full-sized and miniature flags, says on its Web site that flags can also be put in the trash, when they are "worn, damaged or tattered beyond repair."




So now the Democtats say flags were stolen. When?

 

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  posted on 9/6/2008 at 05:12 PM
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So now the Democtats say flags were stolen. When?


Youre saying that the flags were "trash". How do we know that the McCain campaign didnt put them in trash bags to make the Dems look bad? You know how honest Republicans are... Im sure they were leftover and were to be used elsewhere. Unless you can support your loony theory with something other than an extreme RW site saying so, I think youre SOL. Havent you learned yet not to trust those sources? You were made to look like a fool over the "143 days" business and here you are pushing something else that is all conjecture and speculation.

 

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  posted on 9/6/2008 at 05:14 PM
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http://blogs.denverpost.com/opinion/2008/09/06/republican-r ecycling/

Republican Recycling
by David Harsanyi on September 6, 2008

This morning, Republicans tell me that a worker at Invesco Field in Denver saved thousands of unused flags from the Democratic National Convention that were headed for the garbage. Guerrilla campaigning. They will use these flags at their own event today in Colorado Springs with John McCain and Sarah Palin.

Before McCain speaks today, veterans will haul these garbage bags filled with flags out onto the stage &#8212; with dramatic effect, no doubt &#8212; and tell the story.

&#8220;What you see in the picture I sent you is less than half of total flags,&#8221; a Republican official emailed. &#8220;We estimate the total number to be around 12,000 small flags and one full size 3×5 flag.&#8221;





These flags where separated and put to the side as you can see by their packaging to be re-used at future rallies in order to curb wasteful spending in the campaign and were not to be thrown away. Apparently they were taken by an unnamed employee, by the way employees are not supposed to remove anything from an arena, not even trash. It looks like they are being used now by the McCain supporters and could in fact be stolen property. So the news flash could be "Republicans Steal Flags From Democrats to be used at their Rally's"! There will be a bit more on this when further investigated, which it will.

But the real story here is that the cultural war is rolling on like a steamroller, by allowing a party in this country to continue to question the patriotism of others by appearing to be more patriotic, continue to to question the faith of the opposition by appearing to be more godly, continue to question the family values of others by appearing family oriented, etc, etc.

[Edited on 9/6/2008 by PattyG]


Exactly. And notice how the Dems carefully rolled them up to throw them away as "trash". This is just the RW playing their little dishonest games hoping everyone will forget about Palin and McSame.

 

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Im with Patty on this. What a complete crock of shiat. And Fuji, just because the Dems went to the effort to have a "green" convention, they are NOT responsible for what happens to the trash after the fact. We had a similar issue here in town years ago when it was learned that the recycling materials that people had turned in were being accidentally tossed out with normal garbage by the city. Once it was discovered, they went to greater lengths to ensure the problem was corrected.


But American flags?... I mean come on ...trash?


Who put them in the trash bags? McCains people? They look so neatly rolled up to be "trash". Think, McFly, Think.

 

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Ok, just found some more information on this... apparently the person at FOX news that broke this story has a history of making shiat up (like quotes attributed to Kerry for instance where FOX had to retract the story and issue an apology). This story was bullshiat from the start and guess who bought into it? Thats right, Derek and other braindead dishonest people too stupid to do any research or wait to learn more.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/214283.php

If you go to the above link, follow the other links in the story to see where it all leads. Its sad that the McCain camp thinks they have to denigrate the Dems in such a way because they cannot and will not focus on the issues because they have no defensible positions and offer only more of the same.

 

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  posted on 9/6/2008 at 05:51 PM
Its unfortunate we've had so many flags draped over coffins coming back from Iraq.

 

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I ain't going anywhere. All I see is DNC folks saying that the Repubs stole thew flags from 'storage.' Where were they stored?? Then again the Democrats at first said they didn't ask the military officer to take off his uniform in the Clinton White House because the uniform made the liberal staff uncomfortable, yet it did happen. We'll see.

 

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U.S. Code says the proper method for disposing of an American flag is actually burning, provided it is "no longer a fitting emblem for display."



I guess if the flags were to be discarded, maybe they could have asked each of the 70,000 to burn theirs en masse after the speech. I'm sure the McCain folks would have approved of that! That does not sound too green, however.

 

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  posted on 9/6/2008 at 11:28 PM
The important thing here is to check and make sure none of the bags contained any flag lapel pins. We could be talkin' serious scandal then...
 

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  posted on 9/6/2008 at 11:59 PM
Does this really upset anyone.
They trash the country, why not the flag.
By the way the flag stands for something ,pretty hard for a dem to do.

 

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  posted on 9/7/2008 at 07:19 AM
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I ain't going anywhere. All I see is DNC folks saying that the Repubs stole thew flags from 'storage.' Where were they stored?? Then again the Democrats at first said they didn't ask the military officer to take off his uniform in the Clinton White House because the uniform made the liberal staff uncomfortable, yet it did happen. We'll see.


Deflecting already? Maybe you can use some logic instead? Why would the evil anti-American Democrats carefully roll and stack flags they planned to just throw away? Durrrr... Why does where they were stored matter if the flags were taken by someone looking to create a story?

 

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Does this really upset anyone.
They trash the country, why not the flag.
By the way the flag stands for something ,pretty hard for a dem to do.



Do you have anything of substance to say? Or is hit and run posts all you are capable of?

And, BTW, if you had actually read the links, you would have known that this was yet another concocted story by the oh so honest right.

[Edited on 9/7/2008 by old_time_fan]


Not only that, but the guy who ran the story at FOX has a well known history of false stories and lies. A perfect example of "consider the source".

 

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  posted on 9/7/2008 at 02:30 PM
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Its unfortunate we've had so many flags draped over coffins coming back from Iraq.


Especially when the whole Iraq war was based on lies and conjured up intelligence

War crimes ...Bush and Cheney are both war criminals for the thousands of innocent people who have died for their lies and deceptions.....including every one of our soldiers in IRAQ and any of our allies soldiers

But I guess Palins and the far rights answer is to use all the rape and incest children to fight their wars....kind of a soldier farming project

 

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