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  posted on 9/3/2008 at 10:40 PM
I hope there are no future plans for the Allmans touring with Ratdog. Too much negativity on the Ratdog website from their cockroach fans about the Allmans and especially Warren. I went to the Camden show and had a ignorant junkie Ratdog fan next to me and it left a bad taste in my mouth. I almost came close to missing the Allmans set but I held my composure. I just don't get these fans. They sure do not have an open mind when it comes to music. You have to wear different hats when listening to the music of the Allman Brothers Band and the Grateful Dead. Both bands have created beauitful music. Sure Warren is no Jerry Garcia but Jerry is no Warren Haynes. One thing they do have in common is a love of music. Both musicians dedicated their life to music and that is something that I respect in both of them. Listening to the music of both bands led me into other genres of music including jazz, blues, reggae and bluegrass to name of few. It was through Warren that I discovered the music of the Dead when attending a Phil Lesh show back in 2000 or 2001. I now own just about everything the Grateful Dead has released. I have never tried any drugs but listening to the music of both bands gives me a natural high with each having different effects. It is all good.
 
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  posted on 9/3/2008 at 10:49 PM
i check that site but rarely post because of the childish hate that a few people have over there
i dont remember the division of music fans when i was younger, but fans of the same kind of jam music are ready to throw down wtf
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  posted on 9/3/2008 at 11:02 PM
Those people are idiots.

 

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  posted on 9/3/2008 at 11:43 PM
A few act like idiots. There is a group of young, immature 'vocal' fans who feel the internet empowers them to act irresponsibly childish, spewing hatred for the sake of shock value. It is one HUGE difference between this band's website and other band websites. Maybe it's the bands fans, but it has more to do with how the online fan base was created, fostered and developed by the admins. Thank you Lana and Rowland.

Also, because so many of us meet at several shows around the nation, you are held a little more responsible for you 'actions' and words. I'd hate to come on here acting like an a-hole all the time, calling people out, trashing the band and other bands for that matter, and then run into you at the Fox on NYE. F' that.

Rat Dog fans don't suck. Neither do Black Crowes fans. But the dipsh!ts who control the posting on their boards to suck. I love Rat Dog. Have several very kind friends who love Rat Dog. All great people. They just don't post online.

And there are plenty of young dumba$$es who use entirely too many drugs at concerts and have total disregard for those around them. It's not just Rat Dog fans. Those people are addicts, not a particular bands fans.

 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 12:01 AM
Mountain Jam were full of those idiots who were complaining all weekend and afterward about Warren Haynes playing too much at his own festival. They were rude and obnoxious and wouldn't stop yapping and making noise during Gov't Mule's Saturday show.

 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 07:57 AM
They're not all bad, but I would venture as to say about half of the Ratdog fans I was around at the Chicago show were halfwits....the others were like the rest of us.

 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 10:31 AM
Ratdog put on a nice set, came out pretty strong, Derek sat in for Loser, then Warren came out. Susanne sang Don't Think Twice with Bob, thought Weir could have let her sing it herself, it kind of Dragged f, the energy level was way down until the end of the show when Morning Dew woke me back up. Nice to hear the old songs of the GD.

Enjoyed Franklins Tower with both band during The ABB's set.

You knew why you came when The Brothers took the stage, the energy was pumped way up.

 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 10:32 AM
i believe bobby knws their half wits

if you ever see the dog without an opening act

his security works really hard to keep them from harassing the people

thats their to see a show

 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 11:46 AM
I posted this under the RR thread, maybe they don't all suck, but they ruined my first trip and that made a lasting impression:

ABB was my first show at Red Rocks. The set list was awsome and the band rocksed. Unfortunately I didn't enjoy the show as much as I had hoped. We were in row twelve and surrounded by young drunk Bobby fans. This new breed of Wannabe Deadheads just don't get it. They dress the part, but don't act it. I've never been pushed around, hand my fingers stepped on, or had so much beer spilled on me.

 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 12:00 PM
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I posted this under the RR thread, maybe they don't all suck, but they ruined my first trip and that made a lasting impression:

ABB was my first show at Red Rocks. The set list was awsome and the band rocksed. Unfortunately I didn't enjoy the show as much as I had hoped. We were in row twelve and surrounded by young drunk Bobby fans. This new breed of Wannabe Deadheads just don't get it. They dress the part, but don't act it. I've never been pushed around, hand my fingers stepped on, or had so much beer spilled on me.



i dont think we can blame bobby and his mythes withe dead over the rude crowd the that rd has at times some members of rd has arep for instagating those kinda things

 

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I posted this under the RR thread, maybe they don't all suck, but they ruined my first trip and that made a lasting impression:

ABB was my first show at Red Rocks. The set list was awsome and the band rocksed. Unfortunately I didn't enjoy the show as much as I had hoped. We were in row twelve and surrounded by young drunk Bobby fans. This new breed of Wannabe Deadheads just don't get it. They dress the part, but don't act it. I've never been pushed around, hand my fingers stepped on, or had so much beer spilled on me


i dont think we can blame bobby and his mythes withe dead over the rude crowd the that rd has at times some members of rd has arep for instagating those kinda things
I don't think that any fingers are being pointed at the band (in fact the band has gone on record with their feelings about some of the behaviour issues of fans). And it's not the entire Ratdog fan community that are at issue. But there are some who dress the part and profess to be a part of something that they have absolutely no understanding of. They are rude and obnoxious and do not have a clue as to what the Deadhead community of times past was like. They are like a bunch of poorly mannered kids dressed up for Halloween who ate too much candy. . (The ones who 'get it' are great, though!)



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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 12:40 PM
I had a couple of Wookies try to invade in seats that did not belong to them. I informed them that they were reserved and that the folks who owned them would be there shortly, they were cool about it and left when the ticket holders showed up

We had a group who did not want to leave after Ratdog and the ticket holders showed up. One young lady said I'm from Colorado, where are you from The East coast to a couple next to me. So I said to Miss Congeniality "whats wrong with the east coast" ? According to my ticket I was from row 13 seat three tonite and if she had GA seats she belonged down front or up top. I am totally uncool and unkind, I can live with that.

Other than that little mishap I thought everyone was pretty cool around me, except for the drunk who spilled his beer all over my jacket and said" hey its only beer" No a$$hole the correct thing to say in that situation is "I'm Sorry"

 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 12:43 PM
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One young lady said I'm from Colorado, where are you from The East coast to a couple next to me
LOL! Did you notice if they moved back a couple of aisles because this is sounding familiar.

 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 01:01 PM
Had some Dead fans twirling near me at a GA&F show once. I had just bought a new sweatshirt as it was getting cold out and told my cousin that I bet it'd end up getting beer on it before the night was over. Soon after the twirlers came my way and the girl fell right on top of me. Wet shirt..!
Then her stupid bf seeing my displeasure sarcastically said we'll buy you a new one. I said do me a big favor and gtf away from me.! He took my advise.

 

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I posted this under the RR thread, maybe they don't all suck, but they ruined my first trip and that made a lasting impression:

ABB was my first show at Red Rocks. The set list was awsome and the band rocksed. Unfortunately I didn't enjoy the show as much as I had hoped. We were in row twelve and surrounded by young drunk Bobby fans. This new breed of Wannabe Deadheads just don't get it. They dress the part, but don't act it. I've never been pushed around, hand my fingers stepped on, or had so much beer spilled on me


i dont think we can blame bobby and his mythes withe dead over the rude crowd the that rd has at times some members of rd has arep for instagating those kinda things
I don't think that any fingers are being pointed at the band (in fact the band has gone on record with their feelings about some of the behaviour issues of fans). And it's not the entire Ratdog fan community that are at issue. But there are some who dress the part and profess to be a part of something that they have absolutely no understanding of. They are rude and obnoxious and do not have a clue as to what the Deadhead community of times past was like. They are like a bunch of poorly mannered kids dressed up for Halloween who ate too much candy. . (The ones who 'get it' are great, though!)



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couldnt agree with you more on that

its good to be on the same page

 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 01:10 PM
It is mostly the younger crowd that weren't even around for the real Greatful Dead. I actually heard a kid at Mountain Jam say that Dark Star Orchestra blows away the original Greatful Dead. And I'm not making that up. That says it all.

 

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It is mostly the younger crowd that weren't even around for the real Greatful Dead. I actually heard a kid at Mountain Jam say that Dark Star Orchestra blows away the original Greatful Dead. And I'm not making that up. That says it all.
LMAO!!! 'splains alot!

 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 01:16 PM
Some RD fans were dancing by the seats of my daughters and boyfriends. One had his butt right in front of the seated bf. He asked him politely to move and was met with this comment during 'A Hard Rain is Gonna Fall', "Do you even know who first sang this song?". Wow. He just told him a little more forcefully to move and the dancer did while telling the bf to "Chill, just Chill".
If the the Bros tour with Ratdog again, I'm going to have seriously consider whether I'm going to go. Ratdog is just too iffy. I saw them at PNC, Camden(twice. last year and this year) and RR. They were very boring at PNC and RR, but both shows at Camden were good.
Ah, who am I kidding. I'll go. I can't miss any ABB show within a 100 miles.

 

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After many, many years on these boards, I will say that the people who post are the minority of people in the community, weather they post positive stuff or negative stuff. There is an even smaller minority of very vocal people who are not in favor of Warren in the Dead but they are a very, very small minority of people who post and who actually go to the shows. At Red Rocks, the minute Warren stepped onto the stage the crowd burst out in applause and approval.

I've learned after many many years on the internet that you need to ignore the immature and ignorant. It's true in real life too.

The vast majority of fans in this music scene are normal people who have jobs and family and who love live music. They coordinate trips to see their extended families so that they can catch a show or two. They take vacations and go see the bands they love. They travel 3,000 miles and they travel 100 miles. They have made seeing shows a part of their life like it is a hobby. At Red Rocks you probably have a higher than average attendance of people from out of state than most other shows, save for the NYC and San Francisco areas. I met people from Illinois, Arizona, Los Angeles, New Jersey (that was a big one), and I met a couple who went to the Aspen shows from New Hampshire. There are a LOT of people traveling and making live music a part of and a reason for their vacations.

There is a small element of people who are constantly on the road and a younger group of fans who don't bathe regularly. It seems to be the in thing to do for a subset of young people who consider themselves naturalists. Most are working and middle class who go to school and have jobs that young people have. The group of people who have made being on the road and following bands a lifestyle are again, mostly wonderful people. A small group of them are problem people. Anyone can spot them and you will take care of your money and your stuff around them. But again, the vast majority of people at the shows are normal and nice people.

At any concert there is an element of people who get too high for their own and their temporary neighbor's good. Some of them are high on psychedelics and some are high on alcohol and some are high on other drugs. I have come across plenty of them through the years at ALL the shows, with the ABB holding the top honors of people who come out to a show and drink way more than is necessary. I've seen a few very high people at concerts too. No band is immune from this element. All you can do is move your seats if possible. Or get the attention of the security so that you can continue to enjoy your show. There are ways to handle situations like that and while the onerous is unfortunately on the innocent person to take action, it is possible. If it is a seat I want and there are no other seats I can easily move to, you bet I am complaining to the guards if the person does not stop what I have already asked them to stop doing. I have found most people, even the most highest person, to be responsive to a respectful, yet firm request to stop what ever it is they are doing. Really, I've been to over 300 shows in the last 7 years and I have yet to come across any situation that could not be handled with a little bit of humor, maybe a little bit of verbal force, or just moving to a different spot.

I have also found after going to a few Mule/RatDog shows and a few RatDog/ABB shows and a few RatDog/Phil only shows, that the Dead fans are nice and friendly and most are not people you have to worry about. Most are people in their middle ages with some younger folks too, but mostly the fans of the ABB and RatDog are the same fans. There is a lot of overlap in the fan base, so while there were some Dead fans who left the shows when the ABB came on, many, many stayed and enjoyed both shows.

If you get your sense of what the scene is about only from the internet and only from one or two shows a year, you just might not be getting enough information to inform your opinions. So just go to more shows and you will see the vast majority of fans in either the Dead or the ABB fan base are really nice and kind people. I didn't have to want for anything in Colorado. Folks from that town, mostly from the Dead fan base, took good care of me at the RD/ABB show. And of course the ABB fans I hung with all the rest of the time were great people too. If you got your sense of the ABB fans from reading some of the bickering here on this site too, you would be mis-informed as well.

I had the best time this weekend and it was the fans that helped to make it so. The music was almost secondary.

[Edited on 9/4/2008 by Angelemerald]

 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 01:23 PM
Ratdog fans around us were OK, some a bit goofy, but no issues. I could see where up front might get interesting, but the problem wasn't Ratdog fans, it was Ratdog! Hadn't seen Bobby since 92 or 93 whenever it was. The man needs to take some time off and R&R he looked and sounded dreadful, pretty much. It was a sad reminder of the Bobby of 71-72 when I saw him in his prime. He came out in a dingy old sleeveless shirt that looked like he slept in it, and that was an omen......... it was very sad. I'll say I enjoyed Looked Like Rain and Morning Dew, but beyond that, it was terrible.

 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 01:25 PM
I really thought Mark Karan played really well Saturday , in Ratdog and when he sat in with the ABB. I liked his tone and he has chops.

Actually I enjoyed the set by ratdog just thought the energy dipped toward the middle. The played Loser, Birdsong, Bertha, Morning Dew, 4 of my favorite GD songs now that I think about it so Thanks for the memories bob!

 

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I posted this under the RR thread, maybe they don't all suck, but they ruined my first trip and that made a lasting impression:

ABB was my first show at Red Rocks. The set list was awsome and the band rocksed. Unfortunately I didn't enjoy the show as much as I had hoped. We were in row twelve and surrounded by young drunk Bobby fans. This new breed of Wannabe Deadheads just don't get it. They dress the part, but don't act it. I've never been pushed around, hand my fingers stepped on, or had so much beer spilled on me


i dont think we can blame bobby and his mythes withe dead over the rude crowd the that rd has at times some members of rd has arep for instagating those kinda things
I don't think that any fingers are being pointed at the band (in fact the band has gone on record with their feelings about some of the behaviour issues of fans). And it's not the entire Ratdog fan community that are at issue. But there are some who dress the part and profess to be a part of something that they have absolutely no understanding of. They are rude and obnoxious and do not have a clue as to what the Deadhead community of times past was like. They are like a bunch of poorly mannered kids dressed up for Halloween who ate too much candy. . (The ones who 'get it' are great, though!)



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It was my son, Billy's, first ABB show (also his first Rat Dog show). He is 20 years old and the same age as a lot of the Rat Dog Fans. He remarked that the Rat Dog fans showed a lack of class and respect, and that the peach heads behaved really well. It is really telling that a 20 year old should notice these things.

 

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  posted on 9/4/2008 at 01:27 PM
Bobby needs to get a bigger shirt, Mr. Weir ,as all of us for the most part especially myself, has a little junk in the trunk.

 

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It was my son, Billy's, first ABB show (also his first Rat Dog show). He is 20 years old and the same age as a lot of the Rat Dog Fans. He remarked that the Rat Dog fans showed a lack of class and respect, and that the peach heads behaved really well. It is really telling that a 20 year old should notice these things.


You can't always tell a book by its cover. I saw a lot of ABB tee shirts at the RD show and a lot of Dead tee shirts at the ABB show. Just saying.

 

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It was my son, Billy's, first ABB show (also his first Rat Dog show). He is 20 years old and the same age as a lot of the Rat Dog Fans. He remarked that the Rat Dog fans showed a lack of class and respect, and that the peach heads behaved really well. It is really telling that a 20 year old should notice these things.


You can't always tell a book by its cover. I saw a lot of ABB tee shirts at the RD show and a lot of Dead tee shirts at the ABB show. Just saying.


i agree with you on alot of things
but i dont think dead merchandise reflects ratdogs merchandise

 

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