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  posted on 8/18/2008 at 10:25 AM
At Great Woods this went on for about 10 mins if not longer. This took another song out of the show. The Liz Reed just seemed to die. After great solos from Derek and Warren, JaBuMa started and took all the energy from the song. 10 to 15 mins later Derek, Warren and Gregg slowly walked back to the stage. The energy and fire were gone from the song.



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  posted on 8/18/2008 at 10:39 AM
I enjoy JaBuMa, instead of cutting/shortening it, play longer. Just because Ratdog goes for 2 hours, why can't the ABB go for 3? I wouldn't complain. It is another song they could be playing, but the 30-60 minutes shorter the show is takes more music out than JaBuMa does.

If the venues won't allow shows that long, then cut half of Ratdog's set out and give the time to the Brothers.

 

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  posted on 8/18/2008 at 10:52 AM
I vote to keep Jabuma as-is. I enjoy the most improvisational part of the show. One of these days, I hope those promised flashbacks will kick in during drums! Besides, it's tradition.

 

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  posted on 8/18/2008 at 10:59 AM
It takes 10-15 minutes to walk to and from the beer line, doesn't it?

 

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  posted on 8/18/2008 at 11:02 AM
Leave it as it is

 

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  posted on 8/18/2008 at 11:04 AM
It is an opportune time to take a leak and get a refill...................or two!!

 

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  posted on 8/18/2008 at 11:05 AM
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At Great Woods this went on for about 10 mins if not longer. This took another song out of the show. The Liz Reed just seemed to die. After great solos from Derek and Warren, JaBuMa started and took all the energy from the song. 10 to 15 mins later Derek, Warren and Gregg slowly walked back to the stage. The energy and fire were gone from the song.

I vote to have it shorter or not do it at all.


Or move it to more in the middle of the show. It's about set pacing for me. It does take much of the energy out of the crowd. Whatever. Maybe just play longer. I'll take what I can get, while I can get it. Is it Red Rocks yet?

 

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  posted on 8/18/2008 at 11:10 AM
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At Great Woods this went on for about 10 mins if not longer. This took another song out of the show. The Liz Reed just seemed to die. After great solos from Derek and Warren, JaBuMa started and took all the energy from the song. 10 to 15 mins later Derek, Warren and Gregg slowly walked back to the stage. The energy and fire were gone from the song.

I vote to have it shorter or not do it at all.


Or move it to more in the middle of the show. It's about set pacing for me. It does take much of the energy out of the crowd. Whatever. Maybe just play longer. I'll take what I can get, while I can get it. Is it Red Rocks yet?


I agree about these recent sets... drums is right at the end, it takes everything down before the end of set.

 

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  posted on 8/18/2008 at 11:11 AM
Long live JaBuMa !

 

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  posted on 8/18/2008 at 11:20 AM
JaBuMa (aka "Go Take A Piss, and Buy a Beer") DEFINELY needs to be shorter as it sucks the energy out of whatever song that it's add to.

And as for the comment that JaBuMa is the "most improvisational part of the show", what a joke as most of JaBuMa is just Jaimoe, Butch and Marc trading 16th notes for 15 or 20 minutes. It might be different if you had Jaimoe JaBuMa or Butch JaBuMa similar to the way Derek and Warren handle Dreams., but 2 drummers and a percussionist going "full tilt" just doesn't cut it.

 

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  posted on 8/18/2008 at 11:22 AM
Long live JaBuMa !

 

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  posted on 8/18/2008 at 11:23 AM
Love JaBuMa!

Hate it in Liz Reed. The short drum break fits that song, the little reprise of the coda is not enough meat and potatoes after JaBuMa.

 

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  posted on 8/18/2008 at 11:24 AM
JaBuMa does not , ratdog does
 

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  posted on 8/18/2008 at 11:29 AM
LONG LIVE JaBuMa !!!

 

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  posted on 8/18/2008 at 11:37 AM
I love a short intense version 5 minutes or less when they do the extended one I wish they would extend the ending of the song as well. Shorter is better more music.

 

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  posted on 8/18/2008 at 11:39 AM
I always enjoy the drums. I remember someone telling me that "Jaimoe is getting old", and he "can't hang" like he used to. Jaimoe was out sick the first night of Wanee last year, and just to show everyone that he was back on form, he took the first part of drums all by himself on Saturday night. He played a scorching solo! I love to see Jaimoe solo by himself. That guy is still a MONSTER.

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  posted on 8/18/2008 at 11:42 AM
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I love to see Jaimoe solo by himself. That guy is still a MONSTER.


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  posted on 8/18/2008 at 11:42 AM
I love rhythm section solos but like any form of improvisation there will be good days and not so good days. The biggest problem is musicians can't pick which day it's gonna be that just happens and as an audience member one person can think it's simply off the hook and another be yawning in total boredom. As far as JaBuMa it's a part of the ABB show and since it's improvisation it can be 5 minutes one day and 20 the next.....You can't place a govenor on artistic expression and say to someone you have "X" amount of time to get your meaning across

 

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  posted on 8/18/2008 at 11:52 AM
The ABB have been playing long drum segmants for 39 years now. I really don't think they are going to stop at this point especially with Gregg possibly needing a little breather during the gig. Nor should they stop - It is what it is. I enjoy every aspect of a live performance by the Allman Brothers Band. Whatever they want to do, they have earned the right to do it. Drummers are musicians too and our guys do it as well as anyone. I look at it as a percussive symphony that sounds really nice to my ears.

As Butch once said a couple years ago, "We are not just banging away up there"...



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  posted on 8/18/2008 at 11:54 AM
KaChing....

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As Butch once said a couple years ago, "We are not just banging away up there"...


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  posted on 8/18/2008 at 01:31 PM
If it's a Beacon show which are two sets and run about 2 hours and 40 minutes or so I like a nice long JaBuMa as I find it more interesting in a smaller setting and they still have plenty of time for many songs. For the summer shed shows I would rather see an extra song instead like Eric said. They play two hours in the summer and would be better suited leaving the drums out for these shows IMO.

 

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  posted on 8/18/2008 at 01:32 PM
I'll take whatever is dished out thank you!

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  posted on 8/18/2008 at 01:37 PM
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I agree about these recent sets... drums is right at the end, it takes everything down before the end of set.


I don't know where they're putting it now, but I do agree that when it was in the last song before the end of the second set, it was not a great way to end the show going into the encore.

Some shows put it at the end of the first set, and I like that better.

Personally, I don't like Oteil's solo/singing, but he doesn't always do that and it's shorter than the drums.

My favorite part is definitely Butch on Tympani.

 

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  posted on 8/18/2008 at 01:43 PM
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The ABB have been playing long drum segmants for 39 years now. I really don't think they are going to stop at this point especially with Gregg possibly needing a little breather during the gig. Nor should they stop - It is what it is. I enjoy every aspect of a live performance by the Allman Brothers Band. Whatever they want to do, they have earned the right to do it. Drummers are musicians too and our guys do it as well as anyone. I look at it as a percussive symphony that sounds really nice to my ears.

As Butch once said a couple years ago, "We are not just banging away up there"...



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I 100% agree with what you said. I personally like the JuBuMa segment. With also being a dead fan, i really just cant stand drums/space the dead did. It just seemed to go nowhere for me. however, I really enjoy JaBuMa. But of course they are both different approaches to drum solos.

 

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  posted on 8/18/2008 at 01:45 PM

When I'm in my seats listening to JaBuMa, I tend to close my eyes and flow with the rhythm -- often I can hear other instruments in my head as accompaniment to the drums. It's a very cool thing when my internal narrative adds a part to the show!

But now and then I get to stand at the side of the stage for JaBuMa. From this angle I can see all the intricate interplay between the percussionists -- from out front the drum kits tend to obscure them. This is when I enjoy the improvisation the most. I can catch the visual cues between each drummer as the solos progress -- it's amazing to watch!

Liz Reed, however, is my least favorite spot for JaBuMa -- there's just not enough song left at the end.

 

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