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  posted on 8/14/2008 at 06:07 PM
with summer tour going on, I am a fan of both ABB and Ratdog so I am on both message boards.... Alot of the ratdog fans are having issues with the fact that when they go to a show they can't dance during ABB, why is this?

I always get tickets in the back so I know I can dance and I do notice that alot of the ABB fans sit at the shows, but what good does it do to harrass someone else for having a good time?

 
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  posted on 8/14/2008 at 06:17 PM
Who asks you not to dance, and where are they in relation to where you are doing your dancing? I know lots of ABB fans feel the need to get their groove on. However, many DO like to sit and soak up the music with their ears. Just find a spot to twirl where you won't be blocking anyones view and all will be good, I'm sure.

 

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  posted on 8/14/2008 at 06:26 PM
there was a issue with a friend he was at his seat that he payed for and the other party was at their seat behind him, he was asked to sit down (ruined his night).... he had already been asked to move over which he did (during Ratdog) so the people behind him had a clear view of the stage but because ABB came on they wanted him to sit down.... Just RUDE and not the first time this has happened during ABB/Ratdog shows
 

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  posted on 8/14/2008 at 06:30 PM
I've been asked to sit down by the person behind me...my usual response goes something like 'Maybe you should have woken up 5 minutes earlier to get that front row seat. I paid the same amount you did, I'm dancing.'

Not every time, depends on how 'rude' the request comes across. BDOB, if someone wants to sit down to soak in the sounds, why do they need to see? Aren't their ears doing the listening?

If people don't want to stand. Don't. But you shouldn't request others to make the same choice as you!

 

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  posted on 8/14/2008 at 06:35 PM
I don't think this is just an ABB/Ratdog thing - this happens with all types of artists and shows. Unless they start having dancing sections in shows it's difficult to sell tickets to all types of people. Some folks really do need to, or enjoy, sitting down - they can get their groove on fine without dancing. I enjoy dancing and have been asked to sit at shows, too, but I've never let it ruin my night.

 

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  posted on 8/14/2008 at 06:40 PM
Thats how I feel too Josh, and that is why I buy tickets where I know I will be out of everyone's way when I dance, I go to a concert to dance and shake my bones....
My friend was just very shaken up over this and the fact that this goes on every time the two bands play together is aweful.
Personally I have never been asked to sit down, but I would tell someone "no" anyways or I would help them learn to dance

 

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  posted on 8/14/2008 at 06:40 PM
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Who asks you not to dance, and where are they in relation to where you are doing your dancing? I know lots of ABB fans feel the need to get their groove on. However, many DO like to sit and soak up the music with their ears. Just find a spot to twirl where you won't be blocking anyones view and all will be good, I'm sure.






I'm a 100% with Big Dave on this. I like to sit back and enjoy the sounds; and I know some like to get their dance on. If both kinds of fans demonstate a mutual respect I have found it usually works out.

If you must stand there is usually someplace you can find where the people behind you don't have a prob.

Remember alot of ABB fans have one chance per year to WATCH what their guys play too.

 

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  posted on 8/14/2008 at 06:40 PM
********That is a Jones Beach issue, not an ABB issue. I f%*ing hate that place for that reason. I remember seeing the ABB there in 91 I was LITERALLY the only person standing up and the place was sold out. Saw Santana there in 97 and had the same problem. Don't know what the deal is with Jones Beach. A lot of these people show up at the Beacon too. I have no problem with people who want to sit for the show, but folks, if you expect to sit down and see during an a show that has an audience that drinks a keg each BEFORE entering the show, pony up the dough and get some good seats!

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  posted on 8/14/2008 at 06:41 PM
Mixed feelings on this one.

Like it or not you're talking about a generally older crowd at these shows. Lots of folks who used to stand and/or dance just can't do it for 5 hours at a time anymore.

I prefer to stand but if the folks around me prefer to sit I'm not going to be the a-hole that ruins someone's show.

Just my 2 cents...



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  posted on 8/14/2008 at 06:53 PM
i stand and dance around a little at most abb shows. no problem. but i have seen a few people take it too far also. you always see a few people hammered, dancin or falling into other people, or spiilin their beer on people, after about 5 or 6 songs, they're usually either pukin or passed out in their seats, sometimes it's funny, other times it's disgusting. can't say that wasn't me when i was younger once or twice either. i'm just sharin my thoughts here. i think the key is just respecting the people around you and their space. after all, they are killer shows and that's what we go for.

i feel like dancin right now, in fact, i'm gonna go put in the beacon dvd and get psyched for saturday.

 

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  posted on 8/14/2008 at 06:58 PM
My opinion is this...a concert is just that,a concert...where you sit/stand & listen/watch a band & enjoy what's going on on the stage.To me,nothing is better than to watch the musician's playing off one another.Personally,I can't do the standing thing since having heartb problem's..I have to sit.I understand folk's are going to stand so,i try to sit far enuff back that i can still see. as far as dancing,that's what clubs/Bars are for....just my opinion,to each his own.

 

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My opinion is this...a concert is just that,a concert...where you sit/stand & listen/watch a band & enjoy what's going on on the stage.To me,nothing is better than to watch the musician's playing off one another.Personally,I can't do the standing thing since having heartb problem's..I have to sit.I understand folk's are going to stand so,i try to sit far enuff back that i can still see. as far as dancing,that's what clubs/Bars are for....just my opinion,to each his own.



I stay back, to stay out of other peoples way when I dance... if there is a lawn I am there..... I even would buy the tickets with obstructed views so I can dance.. I enjoy listening to the music but that is how I enjoy the shows, and everyone enjoys them in their own ways

 

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  posted on 8/14/2008 at 07:09 PM
I am a bit more clearcut on this issue...i paid for a SEAT! not standing room if the person in front of me blocks my view by standing i will ask politely,for them to use their seat,if they persist, i will again ask them to move to the back or somewhere as to not obstruct the seat i paid for ...if i have to ask 3 times it gets a bit more rude...

Now..i have nothing against dancers spinners hell you got to do what you got to do but it can not interfere with anyone else,my joy comes from watching the musicians and learning from them,if your thing is dancing it should not matter where you dance as long as you can hear the music good cause most of the time your eyes are closed..!

 

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I am a bit more clearcut on this issue...i paid for a SEAT! not standing room if the person in front of me blocks my view by standing i will ask politely,for them to use their seat,if they persist, i will again ask them to move to the back or somewhere as to not obstruct the seat i paid for ...if i have to ask 3 times it gets a bit more rude...

Now..i have nothing against dancers spinners hell you got to do what you got to do but it can not interfere with anyone else,my joy comes from watching the musicians and learning from them,if your thing is dancing it should not matter where you dance as long as you can hear the music good cause most of the time your eyes are closed..!



I am learning alot by reading this thread, I might would ask you if you wanted to trade seats if we had the same number of people in our party....

 

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  posted on 8/14/2008 at 07:23 PM
Of all the concert inconveniences I've experienced, standing comes in dead(!) last. I'd much rather be in a crowd that is into the show than a bunch of lumps. If most everyone stands, I stand, if most are sitting, then I'll gladly sit. It's like democracy in action!

 

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  posted on 8/14/2008 at 07:26 PM
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Of all the concert inconveniences I've experienced, standing comes in dead(!) last. I'd much rather be in a crowd that is into the show than a bunch of lumps. If most everyone stands, I stand, if most are sitting, then I'll gladly sit. It's like democracy in action!


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  posted on 8/14/2008 at 08:01 PM


I never ask people to sit down, I will somehow see that stage..LOL !!!

and If someone ask me to, it's according to the mood i'm in and the attitude of the person asking.

Usually i'm stoned as hell and I don't stand unless everyone else does. Plus I like to move around and smoke my weed. Like at Lakewood...I prefer the lawn.

 

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  posted on 8/14/2008 at 08:14 PM
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Like it or not you're talking about a generally older crowd at these shows. Lots of folks who used to stand and/or dance just can't do it for 5 hours at a time anymore.


Bingo.

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I am a bit more clearcut on this issue...i paid for a SEAT! not standing room.....

Now..i have nothing against dancers spinners hell you got to do what you got to do but it can not interfere with anyone else,my joy comes from watching the musicians and learning from them....


Bingo again.

If you look at photos from the Duane era, the audience is in their seats.

 

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  posted on 8/14/2008 at 08:21 PM
This is an age old debate. Ultimately Rydethwind really has the answer in that you purchase the seat for the evening. Not the area around it and above it.

I go with the flow and don't have much problem. Do I want to stand through some long mellow song. Not really.

It is all in how it is handle and how people treat each other.

For example, (not intended to offend but they are the examples here.) scarlet/fire says that she goes to the back or out of peoples' view if possible.

Josh says "I've been asked to sit down by the person behind me...my usual response goes something like 'Maybe you should have woken up 5 minutes earlier to get that front row seat. I paid the same amount you did, I'm dancing.''

Now that response is just looking for a fight. Plain and simple. If that is your usual response then you must spend lots of time fighting at shows. Talking to strangers like that is dangerous.

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Not every time, depends on how 'rude' the request comes across. BDOB, if someone wants to sit down to soak in the sounds, why do they need to see? Aren't their ears doing the listening?



Perhaps staring at your ass gets boring. Besides they are unlikely to ask you if many others are standing because they go with the flow. Seems when I see trouble it is some guy who is standing all alone and wants to argue with everybody.

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If people don't want to stand. Don't. But you shouldn't request others to make the same choice as you!


By standing, you are doing the exact same thing. And as with the request to you, you are affecting their enjoyment also.

In the end, the debate was solved long ago by the fire dept. People must be seated at an event with seats. It is not really monitored but it has been. Fire code violations can shut a venue down or heavy fines can be given.





 

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  posted on 8/14/2008 at 08:55 PM
I can deal with standing/dancing a little better than I can deal with people who come to the concerts and then have loud conversation during the show, it's beyond me why anyone would pay good money to attend a music concert and then talk loudly throughout, especially when pretty much every street corner has a bar where they can do that ! !........Peace....joe

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Who asks you not to dance, and where are they in relation to where you are doing your dancing? I know lots of ABB fans feel the need to get their groove on. However, many DO like to sit and soak up the music with their ears. Just find a spot to twirl where you won't be blocking anyones view and all will be good, I'm sure.






I'm a 100% with Big Dave on this. I like to sit back and enjoy the sounds; and I know some like to get their dance on. If both kinds of fans demonstate a mutual respect I have found it usually works out.

If you must stand there is usually someplace you can find where the people behind you don't have a prob.

Remember alot of ABB fans have one chance per year to WATCH what their guys play too.



Amen.

I (along with many others) have issues with my back.

I CAN'T stand for an entire show.

I'm not a dancer and there are times I have to sit and take the strain off.

I'm there to watch as much as listen.

And if it's a show I got a camera into I'm even happier sitting for the duration.

 

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  posted on 8/14/2008 at 09:15 PM
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Who asks you not to dance, and where are they in relation to where you are doing your dancing? I know lots of ABB fans feel the need to get their groove on. However, many DO like to sit and soak up the music with their ears. Just find a spot to twirl where you won't be blocking anyones view and all will be good, I'm sure.






I'm a 100% with Big Dave on this. I like to sit back and enjoy the sounds; and I know some like to get their dance on. If both kinds of fans demonstate a mutual respect I have found it usually works out.

If you must stand there is usually someplace you can find where the people behind you don't have a prob.

Remember alot of ABB fans have one chance per year to WATCH what their guys play too.



Mutual respect is the problem. When I go tro a show people in the Orchestra stand and that is expected. No problem. Obviously people groove at an ABB show or a Mule show. My problem is with people who don't respect your space. If you want to wildly gyrate and flail, you need to do so in a place where you are not going to invade the space of other people. At MJ, last year, I had a guy who literally kept knocking into me. That is really annoying. (this is a special problem with festival seating)

I think when you are in a crowd of people you can groove but you can't wildly dance and this might be the problem. No one can expect to sit and see when they are in the Orchestra.

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  posted on 8/14/2008 at 09:17 PM
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I am a bit more clearcut on this issue...i paid for a SEAT! not standing room if the person in front of me blocks my view by standing i will ask politely,for them to use their seat,if they persist, i will again ask them to move to the back or somewhere as to not obstruct the seat i paid for ...if i have to ask 3 times it gets a bit more rude...

Now..i have nothing against dancers spinners hell you got to do what you got to do but it can not interfere with anyone else,my joy comes from watching the musicians and learning from them,if your thing is dancing it should not matter where you dance as long as you can hear the music good cause most of the time your eyes are closed..!


It IS customary for people in Orchestra seats to stand during the concert. You have to be prepared for that or not sit in the Orchestra.

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  posted on 8/14/2008 at 09:43 PM
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My opinion is this...a concert is just that,a concert...where you sit/stand & listen/watch a band & enjoy what's going on on the stage.To me,nothing is better than to watch the musician's playing off one another.Personally,I can't do the standing thing since having heartb problem's..I have to sit.I understand folk's are going to stand so,i try to sit far enuff back that i can still see. as far as dancing,that's what clubs/Bars are for....just my opinion,to each his own.



I stay back, to stay out of other peoples way when I dance... if there is a lawn I am there..... I even would buy the tickets with obstructed views so I can dance.. I enjoy listening to the music but that is how I enjoy the shows, and everyone enjoys them in their own ways


" and everyone enjoys them in their own ways "...

exactly....like I said...just my opinion.

 

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  posted on 8/14/2008 at 09:52 PM
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I can deal with standing/dancing a little better than I can deal with people who come to the concerts and then have loud conversation during the show, it's beyond me why anyone would pay good money to attend a music concert and then talk loudly throughout, especially when pretty much every street corner has a bar where they can do that ! !........Peace....joe

[Edited on 8/15/2008 by crazyjoe]


Amen to that!

It is a far bigger issue to me also. Listen to almost every Mule show and there is always a background of talking. The last time I saw the Mule, I moved. The guy beside me was talking about Warren so much that he forgot to listen to him. Some guy even said to him "Hey Buddy, is Warren good tonight?" and the guy responded that he was. At which point the other guy said "How can you tell with all that talking?".

I go to shows to enjoy. I don't want to waste my time arguing or fighting over somebody standing/sitting/talking. It is all about respect. If you are the only person standing/dancing and you are defending your right to stand then you are wrong. Plus I have never seen that guy win. Either they usually get thumped or security tells them to sit or leave.
Seems like a waste of time to me.

Go with the flow and enjoy.

 

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