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  posted on 8/13/2008 at 01:49 PM
Why is this never a problem at Republican conventions?

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'Gitmo On The Platte' Set As Holding Cell For DNC

DENVER (CBS4) &#8213; CBS4 News has learned if mass arrests happen at the Democratic Convention, those taken into custody will be jailed in a warehouse owned by the City of Denver. Investigator Rick Sallinger discovered the location and managed to get inside for a look.

The newly created lockup is on the northeast side of Denver. Protesters have already given this place a name: "Gitmo on the Platte."

Inside are dozens are metal cages. They are made out of chain link fence material and topped by rolls of barbed wire.

"This is a secured environment," Capt. Frank Gale of the Denver Sheriff's Department told CBS4. "We're concerned about how that's going to be utilized by people who will be potentially disruptive."

In past conventions, mass arrests have taken place.

With Denver's jails already overflowing, new space had to be created and officers trained.

Each of the fenced areas is about 5 yards by 5 yards and there is a lock on the door. A sign on the wall reads "Warning! Electric stun devices used in this facility."

CBS4 showed its video to leaders of groups that plan to demonstrate during the convention.

"Very bare bones and very reminiscent of a political prisoner camp or a concentration camp," said Zoe Williams of Code Pink.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2008 at 01:56 PM
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Because Democrats protesting at the RNC do so peacefully?

Whoops, backfired on ya.


Nope, they're looking forward to violent left-wing whackadoodles there. Note the Code Pink spokesperson quoted in the article. Another is a leftwing group called Recreate '68 (i.e. the democrat convention of that year). It's going to be highly amusing.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2008 at 02:23 PM
Wow, every time RBK posts something like this, I wonder if he truly thinks this way. Anytime you have a huge influx of people, such as Superbowl, Political conventions etc. its simple math that dictates that you prepare for increases in police, fire, jail space, staffing etc. An extra, say, 100,000 people can tax an already overworked police/ems/fire resource to a breaking point. While they certainly wont be on calls, they have to be staffed and ready to act. Overtime will be in the millions.

Add all that to the fact that politics is so politically charged, and you are almost guaranteed to have arrests outside of typical norms. Im not expecting a whole lot of Democrats to cause trouble, but Im very much expecting RW groups, bigots and other knuckle-draggers to make their presence known at the convention.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2008 at 02:25 PM
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Because Democrats protesting at the RNC do so peacefully?

Whoops, backfired on ya.


Nope, they're looking forward to violent left-wing whackadoodles there. Note the Code Pink spokesperson quoted in the article. Another is a leftwing group called Recreate '68 (i.e. the democrat convention of that year). It's going to be highly amusing.

Code Pink is a nonviolent group, FYI. R68, not so much.


Dont go confusing him with irrelevant details. Rush/Sean/Savage are giving him the facts on all this.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2008 at 02:27 PM
Maybe they can test it out during the Ratdog/ABB show at Red Rocks.....

 

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  posted on 8/13/2008 at 03:07 PM
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Maybe they can test it out during the Ratdog/ABB show at Red Rocks.....

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I'm hoping the local police are tired and have all their quotas filled by Friday 8/29. I wouldn't want the partiers at my house getting in trouble on the way to Southpaw and lefty's concert. Nor would I want to see the group hassled going home after the show at Dulcinea's.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2008 at 03:15 PM
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Why would Democrats get protest and get arrested at their own convention? Wouldn't it make sense that protesters there would be Republicans or conservatives?

Do yourself a favor. Think these things through before you post them, if you can.



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  posted on 8/13/2008 at 03:39 PM
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Wow, every time RBK posts something like this, I wonder if he truly thinks this way. Anytime you have a huge influx of people, such as Superbowl, Political conventions etc. its simple math that dictates that you prepare for increases in police, fire, jail space, staffing etc. An extra, say, 100,000 people can tax an already overworked police/ems/fire resource to a breaking point. While they certainly wont be on calls, they have to be staffed and ready to act. Overtime will be in the millions.

Add all that to the fact that politics is so politically charged, and you are almost guaranteed to have arrests outside of typical norms. Im not expecting a whole lot of Democrats to cause trouble, but Im very much expecting RW groups, bigots and other knuckle-draggers to make their presence known at the convention.


And almost every post you make is defending the left.


Actually, Im not defending anyone. Just pointing out that its good planning to prepare for massive crowds and the potential for problems.

 

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Why would Democrats get protest and get arrested at their own convention? Wouldn't it make sense that protesters there would be Republicans or conservatives?

Do yourself a favor. Think these things through before you post them, if you can.


LOL. Let's just wait and see who occupies the extra jail space Old Man. Remember Chicago in 1968? I know you do.

 

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Doom shall rise.

 

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Wow, every time RBK posts something like this, I wonder if he truly thinks this way. Anytime you have a huge influx of people, such as Superbowl, Political conventions etc. its simple math that dictates that you prepare for increases in police, fire, jail space, staffing etc. An extra, say, 100,000 people can tax an already overworked police/ems/fire resource to a breaking point. While they certainly wont be on calls, they have to be staffed and ready to act. Overtime will be in the millions.

Add all that to the fact that politics is so politically charged, and you are almost guaranteed to have arrests outside of typical norms. Im not expecting a whole lot of Democrats to cause trouble, but Im very much expecting RW groups, bigots and other knuckle-draggers to make their presence known at the convention.


And almost every post you make is defending the left.


Actually, Im not defending anyone. Just pointing out that its good planning to prepare for massive crowds and the potential for problems.





The next post will be maconga pointing to a website showing that more police officiers in the Denver Sheriff's office give to democrats than republicans to prove you are defending the left.....

[Edited on 8/13/2008 by Sang]

 

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  posted on 8/13/2008 at 04:06 PM
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Why would Democrats get protest and get arrested at their own convention? Wouldn't it make sense that protesters there would be Republicans or conservatives?

Do yourself a favor. Think these things through before you post them, if you can.


LOL. Let's just wait and see who occupies the extra jail space Old Man. Remember Chicago in 1968? I know you do.


Do you actually in some way believe that there are in any way that many young people in 2008 that are passionate enough about any issue that would make them take on the cops the way they did in '68? Yeah, riiiiiiight.

 

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............and then theres the rumor that Sang is coming to Red Rocks. They will need some Jail space reserved for Labor day weekend

 

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  posted on 8/13/2008 at 04:20 PM
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Why would Democrats get protest and get arrested at their own convention? Wouldn't it make sense that protesters there would be Republicans or conservatives?

Do yourself a favor. Think these things through before you post them, if you can.


LOL. Let's just wait and see who occupies the extra jail space Old Man. Remember Chicago in 1968? I know you do.


Phuck off with the old man reference. You don't know me well enough and I doubt I will ever like you enough for you to take liberties with me. You are a useless phucking troll. Talk to me when you will start answering questions. Other than that STFU.

Now give me a witty retort with a " " after it.


Old Man, you are what I refer to as a liberal fascist. Entirely and completely intolerant of any viewpoint other than your own and eager to shout down and insult anyone who doesn't share your "enlightened and progressive" world view. You've made it abundantly clear. Before you attempt to deny it, take a look at your own posts.

Witty enough for you?

 

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Wow, every time RBK posts something like this, I wonder if he truly thinks this way. Anytime you have a huge influx of people, such as Superbowl, Political conventions etc. its simple math that dictates that you prepare for increases in police, fire, jail space, staffing etc. An extra, say, 100,000 people can tax an already overworked police/ems/fire resource to a breaking point. While they certainly wont be on calls, they have to be staffed and ready to act. Overtime will be in the millions.

Add all that to the fact that politics is so politically charged, and you are almost guaranteed to have arrests outside of typical norms. Im not expecting a whole lot of Democrats to cause trouble, but Im very much expecting RW groups, bigots and other knuckle-draggers to make their presence known at the convention.


And almost every post you make is defending the left.


Actually, Im not defending anyone. Just pointing out that its good planning to prepare for massive crowds and the potential for problems.





The next post will be maconga pointing to a website showing that more police officiers in the Denver Sheriff's office give to democrats than republicans to prove you are defrending the left.....



Funny. People like you want links, but then when you get links that are contrary to what you don't want to hear - you don't want them.

Far out.

Enjoy: http://www.show.me.uk/site/news/STO873.html




It wasn't contrary to what I wanted to hear - it just didn't support your claims - although you think it did.....

 

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  posted on 8/13/2008 at 04:55 PM
Whew! Just in time for the Red Rocks show. Now I'll have a place to stay!






 

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Whew! Just in time for the Red Rocks show. Now I'll have a place to stay!


Sounds like multiple shoeboxes may be in order here, Mitzi (or that UHaul)!

 

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The Dems allow protest?

In Beijing there are offical Protest zones, funny tho' no one has protested or even filed for a protest permit...

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/13/asia/protest.php





The repub convention is a no protest zone.

http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/conventions/26832244.html?elr= KArksi8cyaiUqPk4DyCc75DiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU



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The Whole Worlds Watching
The Whole Worlds Watching

Opps, sorry that was Chicago 1968.

 

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Wow, every time RBK posts something like this, I wonder if he truly thinks this way. Anytime you have a huge influx of people, such as Superbowl, Political conventions etc. its simple math that dictates that you prepare for increases in police, fire, jail space, staffing etc. An extra, say, 100,000 people can tax an already overworked police/ems/fire resource to a breaking point. While they certainly wont be on calls, they have to be staffed and ready to act. Overtime will be in the millions.

Add all that to the fact that politics is so politically charged, and you are almost guaranteed to have arrests outside of typical norms. Im not expecting a whole lot of Democrats to cause trouble, but Im very much expecting RW groups, bigots and other knuckle-draggers to make their presence known at the convention.


And almost every post you make is defending the left.


Actually, Im not defending anyone. Just pointing out that its good planning to prepare for massive crowds and the potential for problems.





The next post will be maconga pointing to a website showing that more police officiers in the Denver Sheriff's office give to democrats than republicans to prove you are defrending the left.....



Funny. People like you want links, but then when you get links that are contrary to what you don't want to hear - you don't want them.

Far out.

Enjoy: http://www.show.me.uk/site/news/STO873.html




It wasn't contrary to what I wanted to hear - it just didn't support your claims - although you think it did.....



You're free to think as you wish. The fact that you're still talking about it merely means that it crawled under your skin like a fresh new pack of razor blades.
You understood it. You just want to deny it.




Yes, I understood it. No, it didn't "prove" the "media" is liberal. You just don't want to believe that..... Doesn't bother me at all - just reminded me of your pattern of calling everybody that doesn't agree with you as liberal or from "the left".

 

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The protest at the Republican convention is going to be taking place in Minneapolis a the Target Center: The Rally for the Republic.

 

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Yes, I understood it. No, it didn't "prove" the "media" is liberal. You just don't want to believe that..... Doesn't bother me at all - just reminded me of your pattern of calling everybody that doesn't agree with you as liberal or from "the left".


When about 90% of the journalists who had contributed gave money to the Democrats, it's a pretty good indicator. To deny that is insane.

Promise me you don't think that all the journalists who didn't contribute were conservatives....???


Maconga, are you referring to that site where you cant find out anything about who owns it or who is behind it? If I recall correctly, I did some digging and they are literally anonymous. I wouldnt trust a single "fact" from a source I cant find anything about. If you want real numbers, you need to be citing the FEC.

 

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From what I understand there is concern about how some Hillary supporters are going to act. Many of her supporters want a "roll call" vote, but I don't think that's going to happen. Could get a "little rowdy" in Denver. Anyway here's a column from E. J. Dionne Jr. that explains what the deal is.

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The Next Memo - What Democrats Need to Hear: 'STOP IT!!!!'
By E. J. Dionne Jr.
Thursday, August 14, 2008

Will the Party of Clinton ever become the Party of Obama?

It has been more than two months since Barack Obama secured the Democratic presidential nomination, yet here we are, still fascinated with Bill and Hillary Clinton and what they're up to. Why?

The latest round of Clinton mania was precipitated by Joshua Green's article in the Atlantic on a Clinton campaign riven by unresolved factional disputes, as well as the online publication of a trove of internal memos portraying a staff in strategic and tactical gridlock.

The notion of the Clinton campaign as a Jets-and-Sharks knife fight is hardly new. Members of the campaign's high command were leaking so furiously against each other that Clinton loyalist and lawyer Robert Barnett was moved to write an early March memo (unearthed by Green) declaring: "STOP IT!!!! . . . This makes me sick. This circular firing squad that is occurring is unattractive, unprofessional, unconscionable, and unacceptable."

Still, it's always entertaining to learn so quickly after the fact who said what to whom in the middle of a fierce campaign, and the memos suggest why Obama is having difficulty moving the Clintons gently offstage and seizing control of a party whose nomination he won fair and square.

The memos make clear that once Hillary Clinton lost her standing as the inevitable nominee, her strategy was based in part on delegitimizing Obama's victories. Because the Clinton campaign failed to anticipate the importance of delegates elected through caucuses rather than primaries, her operatives regularly argued that Obama's caucus triumphs lacked the same weight as her primary victories.

Because Obama overwhelmed Clinton in many staunchly Republican states, he was said not to be the choice of real Democrats and swing voters in states such as New York and California, Ohio and Pennsylvania.

Some of the memos suggested, without quite saying so, that Clinton's voters were more inherently virtuous than Obama's. After all, she was the candidate of the constituency her pollster Mark Penn labeled the "invisible Americans," the descendants of Richard Nixon's "silent majority." The white working class was with Clinton, especially less well-to-do women. Obama had the well-educated voters -- that crowd Nixon's Vice President Spiro Agnew saw as "effete" -- and, of course, African Americans who would have been part of Clinton's base against any rival except Obama.

And there is that Penn memo that speaks of Obama's "lack of American roots." Thankfully, Clinton declined to take up this idea, but John McCain's ads are now subtly toying with it.

The more Obama's victories were cast as less than real, the more passionate Clinton's own supporters became about the injustice of her defeat. A minority of her supporters threatens trouble at the Denver convention unless Obama gives her a roll-call vote in which never-say-die Clintonites could express their loyalty one last time.

Obama has already given the Clinton forces a night for Hillary and part of a night for Bill. In truth, he has little choice in a nearly 50-50 party, but Obama's people have to be frustrated with the Clintonites for not recognizing how far he is going to give them their due.

Yet some of the Clinton folks still think that Obama has not been respectful enough of the Clintons and their historical contributions. Bill Clinton is clearly put out. This perceptive politician has to be more aware than anyone of the mistakes he and his wife's campaign made. That makes the whole thing harder, for him and for Obama.

All this leads you to wonder who will write the new memo that would begin with the words: "STOP IT!" Both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have a lot to lose if the spirit of the rest of the memos affects her thinking now.

If bad blood between the Clinton and Obama camps persists, it's highly unlikely that an Obama defeat this fall would lead inexorably to a Clinton nomination the next time. Consider Obama's shrewd announcement yesterday of Mark Warner, the former Virginia governor and current U.S. Senate candidate, as the convention keynote speaker. This not only gives a central role to a moderate Democrat from a swing state, but it also points to a future that transcends the Clinton-Obama feud.

Clinton must know that she could have won the Democratic nomination with a more coherent strategy. And her own campaigning for Obama suggests she understands that the actual nominee should not have to inherit her campaign's circular firing squads. Much depends upon whether she can now persuade her followers to grant Obama's nomination a legitimacy that her own campaign worked so hard to deny him.


 

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  posted on 8/15/2008 at 05:05 AM
The Obama campaign "caved-in" to Hillary supporters and NOW are going to allow a "roll-call" vote. More evidence that Democrats are not has united as the Obama campaign would like people to believe. Now how well this "catharsis" will work remains to be seen, but if Obama can't unite the Democrats, then he's going to have a very tough time getting the independent and swing voters.

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By Anne E. Kornblut
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Thursday, August 14, 2008; 10:58 PM

After weeks of maneuvering aimed at producing a display of unity when Democrats gather in Denver later this month, Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign announced yesterday that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton will be formally nominated and her name included in a roll-call vote at the Democratic National Convention.

The move represented the latest, and potentially most important, symbolic gesture by Obama to Clinton supporters, and could blunt the threat of an upheaval on the convention floor. Some Clinton backers have threatened to stage a walkout or leave Denver altogether after she speaks on Aug. 26 to protest what they view as a flawed and sexist party nominating process.

In a joint statement, the two camps said the decision to enter Clinton's name into nomination was mutual, and they countered the idea that she had forced her way back into the spotlight.

"I am convinced that honoring Senator Clinton's historic campaign in this way will help us celebrate this defining moment in our history and bring the party together in a strong united fashion," Obama said in the statement. It , which went on to say that he "encouraged" the roll-call vote as a way to recognize "the historic race she ran and the fact that she was the first woman to compete in all of our nation's primary contests."

Clinton countered with a respectful tribute to the presumptive Democratic nominee. "With every voice heard and the party strongly united, we will elect Senator Obama president of the United States and put our nation on the path to peace and prosperity once again," she said.

Advisers on both sides said Clinton had initially been reluctant to pursue a roll-call vote for fear that defections would mean she would register an even smaller delegate count than she did during the primaries. She is also eager to avoid further inflaming her base, aware that any mid-convention disruption would reflect negatively on her.

But after a series of meetings with her most ardent supporters, Clinton concluded that it would be wise to suggest a roll-call vote. She said as much at a closed-door fundraiser early this month, when she cited the "incredible pent-up feelings" she knew some of her backers needed to air. "The best way I think to do that is to have a strategy so that my delegates feel like they've had a role and that their legitimacy has been validated," she said in remarks that were captured on videotape and eventually became public.

"It's as old as Greek drama. There's a catharsis. Everybody comes, and they want to yell and scream and have their opportunity, and I think that's all to the good," Clinton said.

When those comments surfaced, Obama initially appeared to contradict Clinton, saying he was letting his campaign team handle the details. "I don't think we're looking for catharsis," he said. "I think what we are looking for is energy and excitement about the prospects of changing this country, and I think that people who supported a whole range of different candidates during the primaries are going to come out of that convention feeling absolutely determined that we have to take the White House back."

Obama advisers have had their own moments of pique recently, after following not only the "catharsis" remark but also comments made by former president Bill Clinton, who initially declined to forcefully endorse Obama in his first interviews since the primaries ended, as well as Howard Wolfson, the former communications director for Hillary Clinton's campaign. Wolfson , who said that she would have won the Iowa caucuses had former senator John Edwards not been on the ballot.

Still, Obama advisers characterized the dealings with Clinton backers as only a minor distraction, and said they are determined not to allow any intraparty problems to dominate the Denver program. Obama invited the former president to speak at the convention on Aug. 27, the night before the senator from Illinois will accept his party's nomination. Hillary Clinton will have a prime speaking role on Aug. 26, a night that will also emphasize the role of women in politics. She is expected to remain in Denver all week, a show of support for Obama despite the painful and extended primary season that officially ended when she dropped out June 7 -- and even though she is almost certain not to be chosen as Obama's running mate.

How, exactly, the roll call will work remains an open question, advisers on both sides said. After having her name entered into nomination, Clinton could then ask her delegates to support Obama, bypassing the long process of reading names aloud. But several advisers said they think there will be some kind of roll call, which could begin as early as Tuesday night of the convention. As a superdelegate, Clinton is expected to vote for Obama.


 

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  posted on 8/15/2008 at 07:04 AM
LOL.... I see nothing wrong with this. If he had declined this, you would be here saying "See? if Obama wanted to unite the Dems, he would let them have a roll call vote for Hillary to show good faith. If he cant unite the Dems, blah blah blah"

He could shiat gold and piss gasoline and there would be something wrong with him.

Im more upset at Bill Clinton being allowed to speak at the convention. His opinion of Obama is well known by now and I think he is the last guy the Dems need up there.

[Edited on 8/15/2008 by SquatchTexas]

 

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