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  posted on 7/7/2003 at 02:41 PM
Hey, y'all...

By any chance, does anybody here know exactly how many Duane-era shows exist on tape? The number 54 jumps out at me, but that might be way off.

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  posted on 7/7/2003 at 02:50 PM
I once did a count of all the Duane-era shows (whole and partial) that we had here - I was sure my dad had everything publicly available at that time, and I think we still do now. The number was around what you're saying, Frank. A few new ones have come up since then, but it's only a couple.

 

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  posted on 7/7/2003 at 03:08 PM
I've got 47 ABB/Duane shows that are traded plus a few that are not, But will be one day!

To me the koolest that's happened latley is the find of ALL of Duane's studio stuff. Everything that he ever recorded (that was released) as a studio cat on 6 cd's. I have the 6th cd now and the other 5 are incoming. Pretty interesting stuff to say the least!

 

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  posted on 7/7/2003 at 03:13 PM
What are the reasons that some shows are traded and some are not? I've always wondered that!

 

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  posted on 7/7/2003 at 03:18 PM
*What are the reasons that some shows are traded and some are not? I've always wondered that!*

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  posted on 7/7/2003 at 03:22 PM
*To me the koolest that's happened latley is the find of ALL of Duane's studio stuff. Everything that he ever recorded (that was released) as a studio cat on 6 cd's. I have the 6th cd now and the other 5 are incoming. Pretty interesting stuff to say the least!*

A HUGE fan of his studio work. Gonna have to play some Clarence Carter & Wilson Pickett when I get outta work. Thank goodness for import cd's. I've seen that collection thingy floating around, although I have yet to hear it.

 

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  posted on 7/7/2003 at 03:27 PM
Out of respect to whoever might have sent it that asked me not to!
That could be any number of reasons, Such as that it's possible that it could be a commercial or archive release or that it very well could be remastered and that person or persons would kinda like for it to be a surprise.
It's called no trade/no list...

 

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  posted on 7/7/2003 at 03:32 PM
Clay said 6, hmmmmmm....I stopped my own private creation of live and studio material (mainly the stuff not covered in the two anthologies) at four , though I am assuming that hypothetically one of us out here probably has nearly a dozen mix cds of Duane's studio stuff, if that much exists (80 minutes x 12=960 minutes)

Nick....re import CDs I am still in the market for Lulu's New Routes and Conley's More Sweet Soul....any luck on those?

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  posted on 7/7/2003 at 03:33 PM
Ah. Thanks for the clarification.

That leads me to another question.

Since shows like 9/19/71 and 4/4/70 have been officially and commercially released, does it prevent trading of these shows? I know that I have always resisted putting 6/11/92 (the acoustic Rhett Syndrome CD) on my list, but I see it on just about every list I come across.

If the band were to suddenly release, say, 3/20/71, would trading of that be forbidden.

 

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  posted on 7/7/2003 at 03:36 PM
Yes it is normally the case to stop trading when there is money to be made....

 

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  posted on 7/7/2003 at 03:45 PM
*Since shows like 9/19/71 and 4/4/70 have been officially and commercially released, does it prevent trading of these shows? I know that I have always resisted putting 6/11/92 (the acoustic Rhett Syndrome CD) on my list, but I see it on just about every list I come across.*


Similarly, people still list the Boston Tea Party gigs by the Mac, although it has become an offcial release. Not too cool in my very short book.

I'd let people know that I have the archive release, which can be bought at Kid Glove. BUT, I also would let them know about the "Captain Skipper" mix (gets Phil Spector-ish title), a partial show. But can people really resist a live version of Blue Sky?

*Nick....re import CDs I am still in the market for Lulu's New Routes and Conley's More Sweet Soul....any luck on those?*

Carlos, you are entering the realm of complete scarcity! In my search here & there regarding import albums with Duane, I have yet to see those titles you mentioned. Sort of similar to the Clarence Carter album, King Curtis, Ronnie Hawkins..... I don't think these albums will ever see the light of day on a compact disc. However, I was even taken back that they had Hey Jude on compact disc so you may never know!!

 

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  posted on 7/7/2003 at 03:47 PM
Clay, however, that surmises that the exact same show is made available in a commercial format.....for example, the ludlow garage show has Liz Reed? but the commerically available one sold 20 years later does not...I believe it is that track missing, can anyone else correct.

If the new archive release as it is does not have mountain jam, and one is later found and not sold to the public, wouldn't folks seek the alt show? I believe so.

For the archive series to succeed beyond our wildest dreams it should meet the consumer's interests. Though I am still acquiring the new release, I am also greatly dissappointed not to get MJ (for whatever technical or audio reasons).

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  posted on 7/7/2003 at 03:52 PM
Carlos, I have Conley's More Sweet Soul album on cd....bought it on cdnow (which is now amazon.com) for $30....

And yes, Liz Reed is the missing Ludlow track....terrible sound prevented it from being released I guess.

 

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*Carlos, I have Conley's More Sweet Soul album on cd....bought it on cdnow (which is now amazon.com) for $30....*

Whoa. Holy smokes Batman. Sandman, do you know which country produces that album?

 

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  posted on 7/7/2003 at 04:05 PM
Not off the top of my head....I'll get home tonight and check....seems like I bought it about 3 maybe 4 years ago...

I'll post here tonight with any additional info...

 

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  posted on 7/7/2003 at 05:43 PM
The reason for Liz Reed being cut from the Ludlow show is not due to bad sound quality
(it is up to snuff with the rest of the tracks),but due to the fact that during about the
last 1/2 of Duane's solo (or thereabouts-I disremember),Dickey's amp started feeding back
badly almost drowned out everything else.

A friend of mine was actualy at that show,and he was quite pleased when I sent him the
recording of it a few months ago.He said watching Berry play his solo on "Mountain Jam" was "stupendous".

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  posted on 7/7/2003 at 05:45 PM
Arthur Conley > More Sweet Soul

1998 Atlantic Recording Corp. Made in Germany.

Some great music on this album...Duane isn't mentioned at all in the liner notes...

 

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  posted on 7/7/2003 at 05:53 PM
Please don't burn copies of the archives release shows - it will really hurt the effort. We've tried very hard to get these out and it has been frustratingly slow...but don't make it worse by copying them - they really need to be paid for.

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  posted on 7/7/2003 at 07:29 PM
Hi JNB, how is Hot 'Lanta

I wil provide the role of devil's advocate here

I don't think anyone was suggesting copying the archive releases, rather, the issue was raised about the continued trading of existing audience/soundboard tapes/discs after the introduction of each show in the archives series.

Whil, it is quite reasonable to expect that many will stop trading an exact audience/sb copy of the show when actual and exact copy of the archive version is now available. But, when the archive releases are not exactly the same show, it would be, in my own personal and expressed opinion, unreasonable to expect folks not to seek the alternate version of any show. If the first ABB archive release of AU was found acceptable in the sense of the cut Stormy Monday IIRC, than it would seem that, for example, the Ludlow commercial release could have also featured a cut version of ER, based upon the feedback issue mentioned above.

No one is suggesting that the ABB is going to lose money for a cut not made commercially available. Nor am I or anyone else is suggesting that the ABB not be fairly compensated for commercial releases now availabe. And again, no one is suggesting that the fans should continue to trade the exact show in soundboard or audience quality. That would I think raise the issue of parity.....that is, why not purchase the [potentially incomplete in some cases] commercial release instead of continuing to trade the older copies? Does the band itself have a point of view about the issue? I for one would like to hear what they themselves feel about the older shows versus the archive release, and though I understand the concept of monetary compensation, I would like to find out, perhaps in a naive hope, what the band itself feels artistically about the variations. Any chances of posing that query directly to them?

I suspect this issue will surface again and again in future ABB archive releases. For example, the shows between 1990 and 1997. If folks have been trading the shows from that era that may well run more than two complete 80 minute discs, and the archive release (whenever that may be) is either one or two incomplete discs, to suggest that folks will reasonably and voluntarily forego the opportunity to acquire the complete show (however the term "complete" is defined) by trading for it is itself seemingly unreasonable.

Furthermore, one person or another has raised an interesting point---Does the continued trading of older shows (no matter what the quality) creating a circular argument here? That is, we can't release the "golden moment" show commercially because ABB fans have spread it far and wide, and Skipper has done show a wonderul job.....or, that the commercial archive release will feature only perfect examples of one song or another at that particular date, therefore future fans will have to forgo the acquisition of lower quality but more complete shows due to the commercial available of an archive release?

Joe, I suspect these questions are too far and wide for many, but perhaps it does get to heart of the matter. As fans, is our obligation only to purchase legally in the furture what any band or another provides irregardless of its completeness, and seemingly forget that Show X of date XX was more complete its older complexion?

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  posted on 7/7/2003 at 08:07 PM
Well, we all would like to see more releases so its a simple case of supporting the project to keep it ongoing . I dont think anyone expects the traders to cease and desist when a commercial released show and an already circulating show are available, especially when they are different in content. The fact that they are different is all the more reason to get both, which at the same time still supports the archive project. On the other hand, copying the commercial release for others is just plain stealing as it isnt the circulating free traded show, its an Allman Brothers project....Of course theres always a chance we'll get some up till now uncirculated shows in future archive releases which eliminates all of carlos' devils advocacy. Lets hope

 

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  posted on 7/7/2003 at 08:34 PM
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  posted on 7/8/2003 at 12:29 AM
Well Yurtle, 12/13/70 was *supposed* to be uncirculated until it was released (it got leaked)... I guess I can't say we know for a fact that there are uncirculated Duane shows, but new ones have been discovered over the years. I remember geting a few 'new' ones last year. So it could happen.

 

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  posted on 7/8/2003 at 12:31 AM
Oh, and Joe- Carlos is right. The question wasn't about burning the archive shows, it was about trading the pre-existing (or pre-traded, anyway) tapes/CDs. Burning released shows is definitely a no-no. If anybody was asking me, I'd say the thing to do is maybe buy extra copies of the show for friends and distribute later as a stocking stuffer.

 

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  posted on 7/8/2003 at 08:27 AM
Marley,
Yes, There is a limited handful of uncirculated ABB/Duane shows that aren't controled by the Allman Brothers. And one they will be heard, I just can't tell you what day that might be.

 

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  posted on 7/8/2003 at 09:02 AM
Marley wrote:

"I'd say the thing to do is maybe buy extra copies of the show for friends and distribute later as a stocking stuffer."

------hmmmmmm, well, Marley, I will pm you with my Xmas address

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