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  posted on 7/30/2008 at 05:08 PM
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Los Angeles - Imitation may be the sincerest form of flattery, but not when royalties are at stake.



The Black Crowes have filed a copyright-infringement suit against country star Gretchen Wilson, accusing the self-dubbed Redneck Woman of ripping off parts of their 1991 hit "Jealous Again" on her new single, "Work Hard, Play Harder."

It may only be rock 'n' roll, but it has the brothers Robinson mad enough to file suit not only against Wilson, but against Wilson's label, Sony BMG, the publishing company J Money Music and TNT, which is using Wilson's song in a promotion for the new season of Saving Grace.

So far, Chris and Rich Robinson as well as Wilson have personally refrained from commenting on the similarities between the songs. But the Black Crowes' longtime manager is chiming in with his two cents.

"We find the musical verses of Wilson's song to be such an obvious example of copyright infringement that I expect all parties to reach a relatively quick resolution to avoid legalization."

On the bright side, should the Crowes' claims hold in court, at the very least it would show that the band's peers, if not necessarily their critics, actually do listen to their music all the way through.




 

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  posted on 7/30/2008 at 05:12 PM
I really doubt the Crowes would want to avoid legalization! Litigation, on the other hand....

 

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  posted on 7/30/2008 at 05:18 PM
Black Sabbath will be filing soon against Shooter Jennings for "Busted In Baylor County"......LOL

 

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  posted on 7/30/2008 at 05:50 PM
good for the Crowe's...can't stand Gretchen Wilson...My daughter,on the other hand,Loves her...I just don't see it....

 

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  posted on 7/30/2008 at 05:59 PM
...paving the way for the Stones and Faces to sue the Black Crowes

 

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  posted on 7/30/2008 at 06:00 PM
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...paving the way for the Stones and Faces to sue the Black Crowes

 

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  posted on 7/30/2008 at 07:43 PM
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...paving the way for the Stones and Faces to sue the Black Crowes


Which songs exactly?

Honestly, I believe the Stones (and every white English bluesman) stole WAY more than any other artists in the history of art/music.

 

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  posted on 7/30/2008 at 07:48 PM
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paving the way for the Stones and Faces to sue the Black Crowes


lol...

 

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  posted on 7/30/2008 at 08:28 PM
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It may only be rock 'n' roll, but it has the brothers Robinson mad enough to file suit not only against Wilson, but against Wilson's label, Sony BMG, the publishing company J Money Music and TNT, which is using Wilson's song in a promotion for the new season of Saving Grace.





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  posted on 7/30/2008 at 08:30 PM
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...paving the way for the Stones and Faces to sue the Black Crowes


Right on Tinsley

 

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  posted on 7/30/2008 at 08:39 PM
Seriously. "Sister Luck" is a re-write of the Stones' "Sway" from "Sticky Fingers," for example. I think even the Rolling Stone magazine review called that one.
 

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  posted on 7/30/2008 at 09:11 PM
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Seriously. "Sister Luck" is a re-write of the Stones' "Sway" from "Sticky Fingers," for example. I think even the Rolling Stone magazine review called that one.


And Rolling Stones is never wrong. Just listened to both. Maybe similar, but so are 'Sweet Home Alabama' and 'Werewolves of London'. Progression/Chords.

Did Zevon rip off Van Zant? Maybe. Doubt it.

Were the Black Crowes influenced by the Rolling Stones? Who wouldn't be if you want to be a rock n roll band. Did they 'steal' from them. I don't think so. Do they cover their songs as well if not better than the Stones can, I think so. But I like 'Heart of Stone' better from Hittin' the Note better. Just me.

Don't quote the Rolling Stones and call it gospel. You lose 100% credibility at that point.

Did the Stones, Zeppelin, Clapton, Peter Green, and every other white British "Blues Man" or group steal from Muddy, BB, Buddy. Hell Farkin' yeah. Pot, meet black kettle.

 

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Seriously. "Sister Luck" is a re-write of the Stones' "Sway" from "Sticky Fingers," for example. I think even the Rolling Stone magazine review called that one.


And Rolling Stones is never wrong. Just listened to both. Maybe similar, but so are 'Sweet Home Alabama' and 'Werewolves of London'. Progression/Chords.

Did Zevon rip off Van Zant? Maybe. Doubt it.

Were the Black Crowes influenced by the Rolling Stones? Who wouldn't be if you want to be a rock n roll band. Did they 'steal' from them. I don't think so. Do they cover their songs as well if not better than the Stones can, I think so. But I like 'Heart of Stone' better from Hittin' the Note better. Just me.

Don't quote the Rolling Stones and call it gospel. You lose 100% credibility at that point.

Did the Stones, Zeppelin, Clapton, Peter Green, and every other white British "Blues Man" or group steal from Muddy, BB, Buddy. Hell Farkin' yeah. Pot, meet black kettle.




 

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Black Sabbath will be filing soon against Shooter Jennings for "Busted In Baylor County"......LOL


 

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  posted on 7/31/2008 at 07:21 AM
...paving the way for the Stones and Faces to sue the Black Crowes...



I laughed at this...but more because its completely absurd than actually funny. Both are rock bands yes...but the only real similarity is that both of their lead singers are 85 lbs soaking wet....beyond that, yeah both are blues based.


 

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  posted on 7/31/2008 at 07:28 AM
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...and they said in the beginning, they wanted to be the next Humble Pie!

 

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  posted on 7/31/2008 at 09:31 AM
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Which songs exactly?

Honestly, I believe the Stones (and every white English bluesman) stole WAY more than any other artists in the history of art/music.


Though not a direct chord progression ripoff at all, She Talks To Angels could very well be a rephrasing of Sister Morphine.

 

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  posted on 7/31/2008 at 09:34 AM
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I laughed at this...but more because its completely absurd than actually funny. Both are rock bands yes...but the only real similarity is that both of their lead singers are 85 lbs soaking wet....beyond that, yeah both are blues based.





Well, that and ripping off every lick of Keith's in open G.

 

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  posted on 7/31/2008 at 09:56 AM
I can't speak for TE, but I detected a great deal of sarcasm in his post.

There are only so many chord progressions out there in popular music today, and I'm sure most of them have been used at least twice. I think you have a better chance of suing on grounds for plagiarism if lyrics have been duplicated.

I can think of one song right off the top of my head where I cried "Plagiarism!" when I heard a familiar lead guitar riff copied note for note, and I don't think it's ever been pursued in court. Listen to Drivin~n~Cryin's "Build a Fire" and Grand Funk Railroad's "In Need." There is a lead break in each of those songs and they are identical. Maybe that was DnC giving a tip of the hat to GFR.

Most of the time when there is a claim of plagiarism, it involves a song that is zooming up the charts and someone is looking to make some quick money. George Harrison's "My Sweet Lord" comes to mind.

 

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  posted on 7/31/2008 at 10:00 AM
Like Jimmy Page lifting Spirit's "Taurus" for the intro to "Stairway ..."

 

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  posted on 7/31/2008 at 10:18 AM
Are some of the examples that people are giving anything like "While We Cry" by Kenny Wayne Shepherd and "Yellow Ledbetter" by Pearl Jam?
 

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  posted on 7/31/2008 at 10:38 AM
The lead riff to Smells Like Teen Spirit is Godzilla by Blue Oyster Cult played uptempo. Kurt Cobain never tried to deny it.

Then there's The Verve losing actual songwriting credit for using "too much" of a sample on Bittersweet Symphony from the Andrew Oldham Orchestra's version of The Last Time. The Verve lost copyright credit, all royalties and the song is now credited as being composed by Jagger/Richards.

 

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  posted on 7/31/2008 at 10:42 AM
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I really doubt the Crowes would want to avoid legalization! Litigation, on the other hand....




 

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  posted on 7/31/2008 at 10:56 AM
Isn't the main riff to 25 or 6 to 4 by Chicago the same chord progression that's in the chorus in Babe I'm Gonna Leave You on Led Zeppelin I (which is actually a remake of a Joan Baez tune - LOL)?
 

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  posted on 7/31/2008 at 11:04 AM
And don't forget Tone Loc's very obvious rip-off of Van Halen's "Jamies Crying" in his tune "Wild Thing." Hell, it's not only the same music, it's actually Van Halen sampled.
 
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