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  posted on 7/16/2008 at 12:10 PM
JR, since you're such a big fan of Styx (as I am too, I admit,) I thought you'd dig this concert from Wolfgang's Vault. Winterland, San Fran, CA - 1/28/78

If the link won't open, you may need to register with Wolfgang's Vault to listen.

http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/dt/styx-concert/3065-6857.html?utm_sourc e=NL&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=080716

[Edited on 7/17/2008 by BigDaveOnBass]

 

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Dave, through Amazon.com I just ordered two Styx biographies. One is the unathorized "Grand Delusion." The other is by John Panozzo "The Grand Illusion." They had "The Grand Illusion" at Borders Books for over $25. I got my hardbound NEW copy for something like $1.38 plus shipping. The other book was about $12 NEW. I have about


I have four Styx shows coming in a trade right now. And I have one Dennis De Young show coming as well.


Styx is not some SUPER band by any means but I don't see why I shouldn't collect their shows. I've enjoyed the shows thus far so I'll just add to my collect until I tire of them.


I just traded for two Cars shows also, both from around 1978. I don't like where The Cars went musically. They were best with their first cd.

I also have traded for TWO Jerry Seinfeld comedy shows. It's just fun to hear something new and entertaining.


This last week I relistened to my Billy Squier shows. Two are audios and the messed up DVD finally got watched. The disc won't fast forward or rewind. Only the COPY plays and not the original, as least not on the Sony paired with the TV.


I'm not a STYX crazy Dave.


As for the Tommy Shaw photos that I had on my signature. I say why not. Am I suppossed to live my life in the shadow of the music that everybody tells me is GREAT. If Styx is crap, then OK, I listen to crap.


Hey, Warren Haynes CANNOT SING, IMO. I can't stand his voice. I NEVER liked his voice. But that's just me.


Thanks for the link but I'll stick to trading for shows. I've done very well in adding to my Styx collection. A lot of shows have surfaced since I collected my first Styx show.

 

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  posted on 7/16/2008 at 05:32 PM
[QUOTE]Hey, Warren Haynes CANNOT SING, IMO. I can't stand his voice. I NEVER liked his voice. But that's just me.[QUOTE]


You have finally offended me JR. There is not a better rocker, soul, or blues singer alive today like Warren.I like all the bands you mentioned above because I grew up in that era. Ric Ocasek wasn't much of a voice, but very original. Styx were very good in the beginning, but lets face it, Tommy Shaw sounds like someone is crushing his nuts. Don't even say ANYTHING about Warren''s guitar playing. He is a master.

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  posted on 7/16/2008 at 05:37 PM
JR, I listened to the Winterland show in its entirety. I think you'd like it. I did. See if you can find a copy of this show in trading circles. It captures Styx at the height of The Grand Illusion era. Good stuff. It's near and dear to my heart because me and my HS g/f used to go to a lot of Styx shows together. Makes me feel 17 again. Keep in mind I grew up in IN and Styx were from IL. They were popular in IN before this show.

Signing up for WV doesn't cost aything. They send periodic e-mails with a list of shows from the vault. Doesn't cost anything to listen. Just trying to spread some music around.

 

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  posted on 7/16/2008 at 05:39 PM
You're not alone Mulehead, his favorite past time is hurting and insulting people... darn shame seeing how 99% of the folks here are good, good people... always has to be that 1%!!

Warren RAWK's you know it, I know it and many others do too... again, that 1%!!

 

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  posted on 7/16/2008 at 06:45 PM
Dave, you're a sweetheart. But don't bother. Anything anyone else likes...Dean sure as hell doesn't like.
 

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  posted on 7/16/2008 at 07:13 PM
All Dean said was he didn't like Warren's voice. He didn't assassinate his character or anything. Just an opinion that he has been stating here for years. Didn't create the I Hate Warren thread or anything. Just said that some don't like Tommy Shaw and he does.

Seems that at times, people make more of his statements than other peoples'. Some of it may be self imposed but not all the time. Dave even put his name in the thread so obviously the guy will comment.

For myself, Warren is quite likely my favorite voice in the ABB. Definitely the most consistant. I have heard weak shows from both Dickey and Gregg. For years, you couldn't even understand a word Gregg sang and often they just brought him down in the mix. I love Gregg and he is a sentimental favorite always but there have been moments. Simply put, I think Warren is one of the all time greats. In a different era, he would have been a guitar God. Right up there with the big names. How many artists have/had the ability to sing, play and write? A handful that did it as well or close to it.

But Dean doesn't agree which doesn't change a thing.

Some don't like Journey, Styx, Supertramp, REO and others and the common thing is the high male voices.

I love Yes and musically they have had some of the best play in the band but Jon Anderson's voice just kills me. Always did and always will. When I was younger, I mixed some Yes songs and edited out the singing. Was my favorite Yes tape to play.

 

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  posted on 7/16/2008 at 07:56 PM
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You're not alone Mulehead, his favorite past time is hurting and insulting people... darn shame seeing how 99% of the folks here are good, good people... always has to be that 1%!!

Warren RAWK's you know it, I know it and many others do too... again, that 1%!!


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  posted on 7/16/2008 at 08:25 PM



Oh, and Johnny Van Zant's voice sounds like somebody throttling a motorcycle.


Somewhere along the way, say the mid 90's Johnny destroyed his voice. Before this the guy could song decently.


Also, Dickey has surely seen his better days vocally as well.



Losing a good voice happens to the best of singers.



I'm sorry but I can't be fond of every singer out there.



And I think Brian Johnson of AC/DC sounds God Awful as well. His early work with the band was decent but he to seems to have trashed voice, not that it was ever anything special.


 

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  posted on 7/16/2008 at 08:28 PM




Big Dave, you should just trade me for a Styx show. I've got a very good one from 1980 from Long Beach, CA. Really, you'd like it. They were a rocking band then and they still are. They just lost a third of their talent when Dennis De Young left the group.


 

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  posted on 7/16/2008 at 08:55 PM
Styx was one of the first bands I was really into in the '70s, probably because my best friend was too. I grew out of them, but thanks for posting this Dave because I have it on now, and it sounds good.

Hey Mulehead, not to start anything, but since you practically dared someone to do it...I'm not a huge fan of Warren's playing...I don't play myself, so I struggle to find the words to express why I don't like it, but here goes. To me, he seems technically amazing, plays hard, fast and precise but he doesn't capture the mood of the song the way some other players do. Comparing him to Duane and Dickey isn't fair, but it's what I have...Duane's work on songs like Statesboro or OWO, Trouble No More was cocky and in your face, as if to say "I don't need you". I don't get that from Warren.

Then, on WP, Duane's solo can bring tears to my eyes it's so damn sad...Warren can't do that for me. I really enjoy his solo from one of the Hartford shows (2005 maybe) - love what he does at the end especially, Rocking Horse always blows me away, but it's the same road every time if you know what I mean.

Jessica is perhaps the best example - one of my favorite songs because the mood evokes a certain carefree innocence of youth - blah blah - that I named my daughter after. The song just makes me happy when I hear it. Now listen to a version with Warren and Derek - technically amazing guitar work but they don't get the same mood Dickey and Chuck did.

As far as his voice, it's great, but I'm a huge fan of Gregg's voice, so any song Warren sings is one less for Gregg, and that's a loss in my book. Not a knock on Warren, just like having a salad at McDonalds when that delicious Big Mac is hot and ready.

Just my .02 - I respect Warren's playing and am thrilled he's in the band because they need him as their de facto leader now, but I listen to Mule frequently and just can't get into it, no matter how much I try. It's just a matter of taste.

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  posted on 7/16/2008 at 08:56 PM
JR, you and I will disagree on Dennis. He's a great talent, responsible for a lot of Styx's more memorable stuff, but he was taking the band in a really poppy and schlocky direction. Styx was a rock band, first and foremost. Listen to that WV show and you'll hear some obscure stuff that really rocked. There wasn't much stuff like "Babe" and the more poppy ballad stuff. I don't have a problem with DDY, but towards the end of his tenure with Styx, he was becoming a liability to them. That includes his separation anxiety (from his wfe) he suffered when he was on the road. His contributions to the legacy of Styx are comparable to those of Dickey Betts in ABB. My opinion, of course...and that comes from seeing them in there most recent incarnation.

 

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Dave, actually I agree with you. I'm just saying the Dennis De Young was one third of the talent of Styx and that he was a better singer than the guy who replaced him. Personally I never want to hear Don't Let It End. I'd prefer if the band didn't play Bab and other sappy pop love songs that Dennis penned. After the Paradise Theater cd De Young seemed to be very satisfied with that accomplishment and that theme and the band is still to this day somewhat fixated on the theme of the Paradise Theater. It's overdone. I'm also a big fan of the Pieces of Eight cd. Anyway, I'll check out the show via the link. Dean

 

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  posted on 7/16/2008 at 10:47 PM
Don't Let It End....thanks, JR. Now I'm gonna have that one stuck in my head until I go to sleep tonight.

I'd have to say of all the Styx songs out there, I like Crystal Ball the most.

 

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  posted on 7/16/2008 at 11:05 PM
Guys, I can't help it, I've always thought Styx was lame. Just saw Gov't Mule Monday night and They laid down a groove so thick and tight, it had me rump shakein' and headbangin' at the same time. Spectacular/Classic............Peace........joe
 

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  posted on 7/17/2008 at 10:59 AM
Is that a repost, Eric? hehehe
 

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Guys, I can't help it, I've always thought Styx was lame. Just saw Gov't Mule Monday night and They laid down a groove so thick and tight, it had me rump shakein' and headbangin' at the same time. Spectacular/Classic............Peace........joe



Well to be honest Warren Haynes give me the creeps. When he sings I just count the minutes until he stops. I think he sings like a horse, all nasaly and so on. I don't dig his groove and my rump don't be a shakin' either when he's a rockin'. When I can get by his ego and opinion of his skills then I can sometimes listen to him. He's just not a rock and roll dude I enjoy hearing.


 

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  posted on 7/17/2008 at 11:24 AM
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Don't Let It End....thanks, JR. Now I'm gonna have that one stuck in my head until I go to sleep tonight.

I'd have to say of all the Styx songs out there, I like Crystal Ball the most.




Yeah, Don't Let it End is a TERRIBLE song that is very hard to get out of your head. I feel exactly the same way.


Meanwhile Crystal Ball is brilliant most every time I hear it.


You should hear the version of Crystal Ball on the cd Caught In the Act. That song is not available on the DVD. The cd set and the DVD are not one in the same.





 

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  posted on 7/17/2008 at 11:33 AM
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When I can get by his ego and opinion of his skills then I can sometimes listen to him. He's just not a rock and roll dude I enjoy hearing.



Not sure if I understand your meaning Dean. Are you implying that Warren has a big ego and believes his skills are beyond others? If so then you are way off base here. Not liking his singing or playing is one thing but this guy is ego free. One of the nicest "rock stars" that you would ever want to meet.

It is the lack of ego and modesty that allows Warren to play with so many people. This man just loves to play and doesn't want a night off.

I have met many "stars" and have come across all sorts of ego and attitude. Warren is far from that. Very far. Besides enjoying his music and playing, that is what has kept me very loyal to Warren and the Mule. Nice guys.

 

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  posted on 7/17/2008 at 11:38 AM
Warren initially found session work in Nashville as a vocalist.

Opinions are like, well you know, I have heard some people crack on Susan T's singing. I think her voice is just phenomenal. Listen to Little by Little on the Crossroads DVD.

Personally, I never liked Styx, never bought one of their albums. But I was probably the only kid in my high school in the late 70's that didn't.

 

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  posted on 7/17/2008 at 11:47 AM
Ditto what CanadianMule just said.

 

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Ok, James, then I just don't dig Warren's voice and never have.


I also didn't like Govt Mule when I gave it a chance.


I just don't like Warren's voice.


 

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  posted on 7/17/2008 at 12:18 PM
This cat is huge... what's the deal here Dean?

 

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  posted on 7/17/2008 at 12:32 PM

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This cat is huge... what's the deal here Dean?



I found that picture on Google.


It's a great photo so I borrowed it for my signature.


 

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  posted on 7/17/2008 at 12:43 PM
Thread Summary:

Styx rocks if you're around 43 yrs. old +/- 4 yrs. approx.

Warren = a salad.

Gregg = a Big Mac, hot and ready.


 

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