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  posted on 6/28/2003 at 10:43 PM
Hey all.

I realize it's only been a few days, and I guess few people aside from attendees of the Jones Beach, Nissan Pavillion, and Atlantic City shows have it yet. But I figured we should get a review thread for the new archive show going. I'll post mine in a little bit. For right now, here's a track listing for anybody who's curious:

Disc 1 [67:16]
Statesboro Blues - 4:16
Trouble No More - 4:00
Don't Keep Me Wonderin' - 3:47
Done Somebody Wrong - 3:54
One Way Out - 5:08
Blue Sky - 11:26
Stormy Monday - 8:53
You Don't Love Me - 25:47

Disc 2 [39:23]
Dreams - 19:37
In Memory of Elizabeth Reed - 19:43

One really interesting note so far - about a minute from the end of You Don't Love me is a Layla quote. I thought that was really cool.

 

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  posted on 6/28/2003 at 11:18 PM
Thanks Marley, I've sent for mine with blind faith, How is the sound quality or are you saving that for your full review?

 

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  posted on 6/29/2003 at 03:11 AM
I picked it up at the Nazi Pavillion show.

First listen says the recording is somewhat flawed but
the performance is very good. But you definitely hear
the aging of the source tape.

Blue Sky with Duane and Dickey is marvelous.

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  posted on 6/29/2003 at 03:19 PM
Blue Sky sounds absolutely amazing at SUNY Stonybrook (which is only 5 min. from my house) Definetly a worth the 21 bucks...
 

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  posted on 6/29/2003 at 04:05 PM
The source is imperfect, I guess: I don't know if it's a soundboard recording, but I feel like in places Gregg and Duane are easier to hear than anyone else, which could indicate a taper on their side of the stage. Still, the instruments are all nicely separated, and everybody but the drummers are very easy to hear (and even the drummers are only a bit quieter). It's cool to be able to hear the organ and piano so clearly.
Dickey's tone is pretty unusual in some places, there seems to be a lot more gain than usual. Think of his solo from One Way Out on Eat a Peach, only a bit more so - and on multiple songs. I'm not sure what the reason for this is.
There's a little bit of a watery quality to the guitar toward the end of You Don't Love Me, but you can tell that this has been corrected as much as possible and the results are good. Shouldn't ruin anybody's listening experience.
The performances are excellent throughout, as has been noted earlier. The You Don't Love Me contains some interesting twists on familiar licks and themes - such as the intro, which has some nice variation - and like I said earlier, there's the Layla quote from Duane at about the 24:05 mark. About 13 minutes in, it sounds like he plays with the intro to Whipping Post a little bit as well.
I think this version of Blue Sky compares favorably to the one from the Warehouse three days earlier, which is also excellent. You can hear the guitarists hitting on a few ideas that would appear on the album version, but stretching the song out to twice its recorded length. Berry is simply amazing, this is a really great show from him. (Again, much like the 9-16-71 Warehouse show.)
The Stormy Monday is a fairly short version, but I don't think anybody will feel shortchanged. Dickey's tone stands out here too. It almost makes me wonder if he was playing through Duane's amp or something, there's more sting than is normal for him at times.
There's not much that can be said about Duane's apocalyptic solo on Dreams that hasn't been said already. Berry owns that one as well, he deserves credit as a co-soloist. Actually, Dickey even takes a kind of a break while Duane is playing very quietly, doing the birdcalls and things. That's around the 10- or 11-minute mark, at which point you can't even remember how the song started, much less how much it's evolved to reach this point far out in the stars. And heck, there are still about 8 minutes left at that point.
The Elizabeth Reed is likewise great, featuring a long solo from Dickey and a climactic performance from Duane. There's an interesting moment at the beginning where Dickey doesn't start his solo for a while (for reasons unknown). Gregg steps up a little, and the effect is a little like taking the face off a watch: you get a clear view of the turning gears; the rhythm guitar, the drums, the bass. Cool stuff.
As I said earlier, I'm very glad I got the chance to get this show. It's about 1:45 of great, great music. I'm left wondering if there's any more of it (there were two shows on September 19, 1971), because you can never hear too much of this band at their peak.

 

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  posted on 6/29/2003 at 06:39 PM
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As I said earlier, I'm very glad I got the chance to get this show. It's about 1:45 of great, great music. I'm left wondering if there's any more of it (there were two shows on September 19, 1971), because you can never hear too much of this band at their peak


Some words are written so simply, and say so much. I hope the band continues the practice of releasing these rare gems. This period in the band finds them at the top of their game...powerful, and confident. Without trying to get too dramatic, the cruel irony of Duane's loss cannot help but be noted in the shadow of this show.

 

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Thanks kindly, Jonesy.

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Without trying to get too dramatic, the cruel irony of Duane's loss cannot help but be noted in the shadow of this show.

No, it's true. Especially in light of Duane's comment before Done Somebody Wrong - "We enjoyed it last year, we enjoy it this year, and we'll enjoy it next year, I'm sure." He was gone six weeks later.

[Edited on 6/30/2003 by Marley]

 

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  posted on 6/29/2003 at 07:14 PM
Yeah, I've been getting that uneasy feeling when listening to Duane lately.

How does the sound quality compare to Ludlow? Hopefully nearly that good. Surely better than AU 12-13-07, right?

Lastly, now that they've released this one, what's next? Beacon DVD? Gonna force me to shell out for hi-tech stuff, huh?

 

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The source is imperfect, I guess: I don't know if it's a soundboard recording, but I feel like in places Gregg and Duane are easier to hear than anyone else, which could indicate a taper on their side of the stage. Still, the instruments are all nicely separated, and everybody but the drummers are very easy to hear (and even the drummers are only a bit quieter). It's cool to be able to hear the organ and piano so clearly.
Dickey's tone is pretty unusual in some places, there seems to be a lot more gain than usual. Think of his solo from One Way Out on Eat a Peach, only a bit more so - and on multiple songs. I'm not sure what the reason for this is.
There's a little bit of a watery quality to the guitar toward the end of You Don't Love Me, but you can tell that this has been corrected as much as possible and the results are good. Shouldn't ruin anybody's listening experience.
The performances are excellent throughout, as has been noted earlier. The You Don't Love Me contains some interesting twists on familiar licks and themes - such as the intro, which has some nice variation - and like I said earlier, there's the Layla quote from Duane at about the 24:05 mark. About 13 minutes in, it sounds like he plays with the intro to Whipping Post a little bit as well.
I think this version of Blue Sky compares favorably to the one from the Warehouse three days earlier, which is also excellent. You can hear the guitarists hitting on a few ideas that would appear on the album version, but stretching the song out to twice its recorded length. Berry is simply amazing, this is a really great show from him. (Again, much like the 9-16-71 Warehouse show.)
The Stormy Monday is a fairly short version, but I don't think anybody will feel shortchanged. Dickey's tone stands out here too. It almost makes me wonder if he was playing through Duane's amp or something, there's more sting than is normal for him at times.
There's not much that can be said about Duane's apocalyptic solo on Dreams that hasn't been said already. Berry owns that one as well, he deserves credit as a co-soloist. Actually, Dickey even takes a kind of a break while Duane is playing very quietly, doing the birdcalls and things. That's around the 10- or 11-minute mark, at which point you can't even remember how the song started, much less how much it's evolved to reach this point far out in the stars. And heck, there are still about 8 minutes left at that point.
The Elizabeth Reed is likewise great, featuring a long solo from Dickey and a climactic performance from Duane. There's an interesting moment at the beginning where Dickey doesn't start his solo for a while (for reasons unknown). Gregg steps up a little, and the effect is a little like taking the face off a watch: you get a clear view of the turning gears; the rhythm guitar, the drums, the bass. Cool stuff.
As I said earlier, I'm very glad I got the chance to get this show. It's about 1:45 of great, great music. I'm left wondering if there's any more of it (there were two shows on September 19, 1971), because you can never hear too much of this band at their peak.


Good stuff Marley , I for one appreciate your insight . I happen to be 19 back in September of that year and I was just starting to dig" Layla" a record I had owned since the fall of "70. While the brothers were becoming an act that I was hoping would come up state to the finger lakes region where I was at the time. I'm currious to the actual recording date of Blue sky on EAP?

 

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  posted on 6/29/2003 at 07:40 PM
Can you only buy it at the shows? I cant find it on this site or the HTN site. I cant wait to hear it.

 

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  posted on 6/29/2003 at 08:43 PM
I bet Dean Reynold's book gives some dates for the EAP recording sessions, I'll go give that a look. I've been wondering if what I said was right, too. I bet it was recorded prior to this show, not after.

 

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  posted on 6/29/2003 at 08:46 PM
Oh, and I think we've been told the Beacon DVD could come around holiday shopping time.

The signs in the t-shirt booth are saying the CD is not available in stores. KidGlove's site does list it, though. It's right here: hittinthenote.com/merchandise/kgeMerch.asp?category=1

 

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  posted on 6/29/2003 at 10:23 PM
Marley,

Thanks for the in-depth breakdown of the disc. Most appreciated...... & extremely helpful.....

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A pleasant surprise. Only been waiting for this one for years.

Good to know that this project is finally ROLLING.

 

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The source is imperfect, I guess: I don't know if it's a soundboard recording, but I feel like in places Gregg and Duane are easier to hear than anyone else, which could indicate a taper on their side of the stage.


It says on the inside of the back cover that it is the soundboard.

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Hmm. The inside says "Thus CD was compiled from three analog master 7 1/2" IPS 1/4" stereo reels. The live mix evolved from the first song & continued to improve as the set progressed."

So yes, I guess that does mean it's a soundboard. That accounts for the good separation. I guess they're right about the mix evolving as well, since I'd say the best sound is on Dreams and Elizabeth Reed, the last two songs.

 

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  posted on 6/30/2003 at 03:47 AM
Marley&anyone else who has listened to the new release,

How would you say the sound quality is compared to the 12/13/70 AU show??I thought
the sound quality on that show was quite acceptable.

I have the boot of 9/19/71,and everything sounds kind of "muddy"-it's Duane and Berry and the drums all kind of meld into each other and you can't tell what's going on.Hopefully they've cleaned it up and brought it up to at least the quality of 12/13/70.

I'm looking forward to hearing it either way.40 minutes of Dreams and Liz Reed can't be too bad,let alone a 26 minute YDLM and an 11 minute Blue Sky.

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as for the next archive release, i think they should release something from 73, they had some pretty good show during that year.Also for the next release i think will be atlanta this summer and then beacon in december, check this out

http://www.cdxpress.co.uk/cgi-bin/sh000001.pl?ACTINIC_REFERRER=http%3a%2f%2 fwww%2ecdxpress%2eco%2euk%2facatalog%2fsearch%2ehtml&REFPAGE=http%3a%2f%2fw ww%2ecdxpress%2eco%2euk%2facatalog%2findex%2ehtml&WD=brothers%20allman&PREV QUERY=SHOP%3d%26PAGE%3dSEARCH%26SS%3dallman%2bbrothers%26TB%3dA&PN=Online_C atalogue_A_30%2ehtml%23a2772#a2772

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I found it and ordered it, thanks!

 

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  posted on 6/30/2003 at 02:54 PM
I'd have to listen to the AU show again, Wheelchair. But the sound quality of the disc is better than the bootlegged versions I've heard.
As for improvements, the back sleeve gives credit to one Skip Slaughter for "CD Mastering, Audio Restoration & Digital Surgery." (Tom Dowd is also credited as Producer in Memoriam. )

[Edited on 6/30/2003 by Marley]

 

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CD Mastering ,Audio Restoration & Digital Surgery By Skip Slaughter wow what an apporiate name
 

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Ha, wow! I didn't even think of that.

 

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  posted on 7/1/2003 at 01:15 PM
I didn't know for years, a lifetime for some of you, that Duane even played Blue Sky live. To get a copy of it with decent sound quality would be worth the 20 + alone- for me anyway.
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  posted on 7/1/2003 at 01:23 PM
Skip Slaughter worked at the Capricorn Studio before it closed.

 

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  posted on 7/1/2003 at 06:33 PM
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Yeah, I've been getting that uneasy feeling when listening to Duane lately.

How does the sound quality compare to Ludlow? Hopefully nearly that good. Surely better than AU 12-13-07, right?

Lastly, now that they've released this one, what's next? Beacon DVD? Gonna force me to shell out for hi-tech stuff, huh?
I was very dissapointed in the sound quality of SUNY. The AU cds audio is far superior in my opinion. SUNY is very muffled with a lot of tape hiss. It does improve through the set list, but still, overall very poor. On the other hand, the performances are absolutely smokin'. This is the Brothers hittin on all cylinders. The AU shows are good, but these are on a par with the Fillmore concerts. Just a shame a better job of restoration couldn't have been done.

[Edited on 2/7/2003 by dlannom]

 

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