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  posted on 6/24/2008 at 10:22 PM
The Not Another Dickey Thread by Greggallmanfan reminded me to post something that I wanted to do a few days ago after listening to AFE and EAP.

This isn't a knock on Derek or Warren, because I love their playing, but I don't like, and I get annoyed sometimes on how they approach their solos on Whipping Post, Mountain Jam, Elizabeth Reed. They start off too slow and have to keep building them up and up.
You also get that pause after the chorus or main theme is played, and after one of the other solos is played.

You don't get that with Duane and Dickey. They're in high gear and kicking ass right off the bat.

Just an observation from my ears. Derek/Warren are great, but they can't touch the emotion or intensity that Duane/Dickey had those couple of years together.

 

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  posted on 6/25/2008 at 07:55 AM
They were the ORIGNAL"S ..that's why.... very hard to duplicate... can't be done....


As you have stated about Derek and Warren... IT"S THEIR.... approach and interpretation...

some people like it and some people don't... just my opinion which means absolutely nothing...

 

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  posted on 6/25/2008 at 11:35 AM
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The Not Another Dickey Thread by Greggallmanfan reminded me to post something that I wanted to do a few days ago after listening to AFE and EAP.

This isn't a knock on Derek or Warren, because I love their playing, but I don't like, and I get annoyed sometimes on how they approach their solos on Whipping Post, Mountain Jam, Elizabeth Reed. They start off too slow and have to keep building them up and up.
You also get that pause after the chorus or main theme is played, and after one of the other solos is played.

You don't get that with Duane and Dickey. They're in high gear and kicking ass right off the bat.

Just an observation from my ears. Derek/Warren are great, but they can't touch the emotion or intensity that Duane/Dickey had those couple of years together.


That is definitely Derek's approach. Jessica is a classic example. As is Whipping Post. But I don't know that that is true for Warren. I have frequently heard him jump in at a high intensity although he always builds it up to an even higher intensity.

 

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  posted on 6/25/2008 at 12:03 PM

That is definitely Derek's approach. Jessica is a classic example. As is Whipping Post. But I don't know that that is true for Warren. I have frequently heard him jump in at a high intensity although he always builds it up to an even higher intensity.


Agreed, with Derek I sometimes find myself waiting for it to really take off. warren does this on some songs but not all. With dickey he just lets er rip. Either way I take in what ever form is available.

 

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  posted on 6/25/2008 at 12:10 PM
That is a total pet peve of mine as well!!

During the Dickey/Warren years it always annoyes me to no end how Warren blows off the solo on Whipping Post 90% of the time.

I actually have a CD (I think its the 3/1/96 Beacon show that Gregg bailed on) of him basically doing a one note solo - sustain for 5-10 seconds of one note - for the entire solo and then all of a sudden he does the 'climax' riff and ends the solo. This is an extreme case but Warren would do that A LOT in the 90's. Ruins the tune.

Dickey too. I am almost always annoyed by his total lack of interest in soloing on Liz Reed in the 90s. I actaully have one show with a 29 second solo on Lizzy. This includes that peak-riff he does.

Couldn't agree more. That always bugs me particularly because there are times where they do solo on these tunes so I don't think its a question of approach so much as lack of interest.

 

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  posted on 6/25/2008 at 12:15 PM
I always thought Dickey came in slow and built up his solos.
I know he did that a lot during the 90's at least.

I also read many interviews where he mentions this fact.
I can't remember his exact quote, but it was along the lines
of the younger generation just jumping in and "blowing their load"
right from the start.

 

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  posted on 6/25/2008 at 12:23 PM
Derek does it to a greater extent than Warren, and certainly Dickey. Sometimes Warren's solo reaches such a peak, he has no choice but to start off so slow you wonder what he's doing and 3 minutes later he's kicking ass.

I think it's less pronounced when Dickey did it because he starts at a higher level and maybe doesn't go to a fever pitch.

 

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  posted on 6/25/2008 at 12:58 PM
i always think of a guitar solo as a painting..

the canvas looks different each time

 

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  posted on 6/25/2008 at 01:26 PM
Tension and release.....it was Duane's trademark, part of what made him so unique, and so much like the jazz masters, imho. I don't see it much in Dickey's playing, and it's one of the reasons I'm not so much a fan. I thought he laid back too much for too long, and why I prefer Derek. But it's all a matter of taste....not everybody has my musical background. And certainly we don't all listen with the same ears.
 
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  posted on 6/25/2008 at 04:57 PM
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I always thought Dickey came in slow and built up his solos.
I know he did that a lot during the 90's at least.

I also read many interviews where he mentions this fact.
I can't remember his exact quote, but it was along the lines
of the younger generation just jumping in and "blowing their load"
right from the start.




Yeah and I have to agree with this. I am a little confused by this whole thread, because it seems to me that the approach isn't always the same by Derek, Warren, Dickey or Duane. There are some "mellow" Duane moments. To me, that's why I've loved all incarnations of the band is the dynamic. And how incredible intense they can build the music.

My other issue about this is that it is always about the guitar players. Sure a guitar player can "build" his solo, but the guitar players approach means nothing without the rhythm section listening and taking off with it. I think a LOT of the intensity only comes because the drummers (and bass player) are listening and giving the guitar player that opportunity.

 

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  posted on 6/25/2008 at 05:03 PM
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Dickey too. I am almost always annoyed by his total lack of interest in soloing on Liz Reed in the 90s. I actaully have one show with a 29 second solo on Lizzy. This includes that peak-riff he does.


I think I know what version you're talking about. There may be a reason behind that, or it might have been Dickey was bored with it. One thing to keep in mind, sometimes these things happened (especially with Warren) due to time constraints and they were cutting themselves off, not necessarily too bored to play, but running out of time, or making time for something else coming up.

Although, I remember in 96 watching a show at The Riviera in Chicago where Dickey was obviously very aggitated about something and it showed. He didn't talk to the audience all night, he cut all of his solos short, got pissed at his amp and the tension was horrible on stage. The band still managed a good show. To top it off, Warren then broke a string during his "Back Where it All Begins" solo and instead of cutting himself off he really played the crap out of the 5 strings for a full solo...

 

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  posted on 6/25/2008 at 05:45 PM
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That is definitely Derek's approach. Jessica is a classic example. As is Whipping Post. But I don't know that that is true for Warren. I have frequently heard him jump in at a high intensity although he always builds it up to an even higher intensity.


Agreed, with Derek I sometimes find myself waiting for it to really take off. warren does this on some songs but not all. With dickey he just lets er rip. Either way I take in what ever form is available.


Derek is careful when he is playing ABB songs. It is like homage, reverential respect. He does NOT have trouble letting his intensity out when playing his own stuff; part of the awe he inspires when playing with his own band is his seemingly controlled expression, but there are heights he reaches where you know it is just coming out of him and he has little if any control, but it comes out perfect in such a way, everybody is just amazed.

 

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  posted on 6/25/2008 at 05:47 PM
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Derek does it to a greater extent than Warren, and certainly Dickey. Sometimes Warren's solo reaches such a peak, he has no choice but to start off so slow you wonder what he's doing and 3 minutes later he's kicking ass.

I think it's less pronounced when Dickey did it because he starts at a higher level and maybe doesn't go to a fever pitch.


Dickey's not frenetic, because he's a guitar master. He is so experienced, when it comes out of him, he just enjoys the ride, and it's usually mesmorizing.

 

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  posted on 6/25/2008 at 06:16 PM
That's the real ABB, the best of the best...and they are all good!! There is No improving
on what Duane and Dickey had, and still do. That band was magic!

 

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  posted on 6/25/2008 at 06:23 PM
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Just an observation from my ears. Derek/Warren are great, but they can't touch the emotion or intensity that Duane/Dickey had those couple of years together.


I'd have to disagree with the conclusion you drew from something that I've considered as well. I don't think its an indication of their emotion or intensity. Its for the other reasons people have mentioned, they take a different approach and do their own thing. I'd say they are right there with Duane and Dickey for intensity, even if you prefer the way it was expressed in Duane and Dickey's playing.

As for the point. I kind of agree, but not with Mountain Jam. I just don't feel that way about MJ. I have thought before more about Liz Reed, but also about Whipping post, that I'd like to see some of the solos structured more similarly to AFE versions. Especially on Liz Reed Derek's solos sometimes become a modal excursion not necessarily close to the original rhythm/style of the song. I love what he does and in almost any other song I'd love it. Elizabeth Reed just happens to be one of my two favorite Allman Brothers songs, so I'd kind of like to hear it more similar to the original.

I'd like to hear that triplet duane plays or some other great classic licks. For the most part I love Derek and Warren's playing, just depending on my love for the song before Derek and Warren took over determines how similarly I'd like to hear it played. In the end its hard to even write anything negative about them though, because I get over any problems so quickly when I watch/hear them play.

 

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  posted on 6/25/2008 at 08:30 PM
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Just an observation from my ears. Derek/Warren are great, but they can't touch the emotion or intensity that Duane/Dickey had those couple of years together.


I'd have to disagree with the conclusion you drew from something that I've considered as well. I don't think its an indication of their emotion or intensity. Its for the other reasons people have mentioned, they take a different approach and do their own thing. I'd say they are right there with Duane and Dickey for intensity, even if you prefer the way it was expressed in Duane and Dickey's playing.

As for the point. I kind of agree, but not with Mountain Jam. I just don't feel that way about MJ. I have thought before more about Liz Reed, but also about Whipping post, that I'd like to see some of the solos structured more similarly to AFE versions. Especially on Liz Reed Derek's solos sometimes become a modal excursion not necessarily close to the original rhythm/style of the song. I love what he does and in almost any other song I'd love it. Elizabeth Reed just happens to be one of my two favorite Allman Brothers songs, so I'd kind of like to hear it more similar to the original.

I'd like to hear that triplet duane plays or some other great classic licks. For the most part I love Derek and Warren's playing, just depending on my love for the song before Derek and Warren took over determines how similarly I'd like to hear it played. In the end its hard to even write anything negative about them though, because I get over any problems so quickly when I watch/hear them play.


Who is more intense than Warren Haynes? Intensity is his trademark.

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  posted on 6/25/2008 at 09:01 PM
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Who is more intense than Warren Haynes? Intensity is his trademark.

Doug


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  posted on 6/25/2008 at 09:33 PM

<?php Dickey tooI am almost always  annoyed by his total lack of interest in  soloing on Liz Reed in the 90sI& nbsp;actaully have one show with a 29 se cond solo on LizzyThis includes that p eak-riff he does.?>



The only time period I've heard Dickey do this was during the time when Jack was in the band. I always took it as a sign of respect towards Jack's solo, which was pretty much impossible to follow.

 
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