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  posted on 6/20/2008 at 10:06 AM
I'm thinking of Ian Paice of Deep Purple. Last night (AGAIN) I watched Deep Purple Live in California (1974, California Jam) on DVD. When it got to Paice's solo, I was really entranced. I think the problem is that Purple has always been so full of great musicians, great songs and great singers, that the drummer kind of gets lost in the shuffle. But if you listen to Paice, this guy REALLY has it going on................and he plays with both subtlety and power depending on the song. Not only that, he has been the ONE Deep Purple drummer over 40 years. Every record, every tour, unless there is something I don't know. Paice is without a doubt one of the great ones, and DP still to this day is one of the greatest live acts ever. Oh yeah..............if you don't have the above mentioned DVD..........BUY IT!!! Especially for such an old recording, what they have done with the sound is nothing short of miraculous. A very "bright" mix, to the point that I must alway be watching the volume so the police do not show up at my door.

Ian Paice makes my list of top five rock drummers of all-time. Here's my fave five; I think these five are all so good that their position in the list is interchangeable!
1. Mitch Mitchell - The Jimi Hendrix Experience
2. Keith Moon - The Who
3. Ian Paice - Deep Purple
4. John Bonham - Led Zeppelin
5. Carl Palmer - Emerson, Lake and Palmer

 

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  posted on 6/20/2008 at 10:31 AM
I don't know . . . I see his name come up all the time in lists/discussions of best/favorite drummers.

 

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  posted on 6/20/2008 at 10:54 AM
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  posted on 6/20/2008 at 11:54 AM
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I don't know . . . I see his name come up all the time in lists/discussions of best/favorite drummers.



Same here, I have always thought Ian was damn good.

 

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  posted on 6/20/2008 at 11:56 AM
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I'm thinking of Ian Paice of Deep Purple. Last night (AGAIN) I watched Deep Purple Live in California (1974, California Jam) on DVD. When it got to Paice's solo, I was really entranced. I think the problem is that Purple has always been so full of great musicians, great songs and great singers, that the drummer kind of gets lost in the shuffle. But if you listen to Paice, this guy REALLY has it going on................and he plays with both subtlety and power depending on the song. Not only that, he has been the ONE Deep Purple drummer over 40 years. Every record, every tour, unless there is something I don't know. Paice is without a doubt one of the great ones, and DP still to this day is one of the greatest live acts ever. Oh yeah..............if you don't have the above mentioned DVD..........BUY IT!!! Especially for such an old recording, what they have done with the sound is nothing short of miraculous. A very "bright" mix, to the point that I must alway be watching the volume so the police do not show up at my door.

Ian Paice makes my list of top five rock drummers of all-time. Here's my fave five; I think these five are all so good that their position in the list is interchangeable!
1. Mitch Mitchell - The Jimi Hendrix Experience
2. Keith Moon - The Who
3. Ian Paice - Deep Purple
4. John Bonham - Led Zeppelin
5. Carl Palmer - Emerson, Lake and Palmer


I love that DVD !

my list would include those mentioned about plus Terry Bozzio, Ansley Dunbar
(both were great with the Mothers of Invention IMO), Simon Phillips, Bill Bruford.

Dunbar is probably not the flashiest of these names but a favorite of mine for his
work with Zappa, Bowie, the original Journey, Eric Burdon and Michael Schenker.


I could never really get into the Who as a Live act after Keith Moon left this mortal plane.
Like Zep without Bonzo. Two irreplaceable drummers IMO.

that JaBuMa dude ain't to shabby either.

[Edited on 6/20/2008 by johnwott]

 

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  posted on 6/20/2008 at 12:52 PM
Paice is great. And a link to every lineup of Purple too (right?). He was good on the classic Whitesnake stuff around 1979-1982 too.

As far as The Who, Zak Starkey has done an impressive job with The Who since 1996, doing an amazing job on the "controlled chaos" drumming style of Moon. He didn't play on the entire last Who album because he has been with Oasis off/on for the past 4 years. I didn't know that until recently. He's been on every Who tour since '96.

I saw The Who as a 5 piece in 2000 with Daltrey, Townshend, Entwhistle, Starkey and Rabitt Bundrick on keys. It wasn't the original, but it sure felt like it.

 

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  posted on 6/20/2008 at 01:17 PM
My 5 ......off-hand would be:::
1. John Bonham
2.Ginger Baker
3. Matt Abts
4. Tommy Aldridge (BOA,Ozzy,Whitesnake)
5. Terry Bozzio...my fav. all time drummer...I can't say he's a "Rock" drummer...he goes way past that,IMO...

[Edited on 6/20/2008 by hughduty]

 

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  posted on 6/20/2008 at 01:18 PM
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Ian Paice makes my list of top five rock drummers of all-time. Here's my fave five; I think these five are all so good that their position in the list is interchangeable!
1. Mitch Mitchell - The Jimi Hendrix Experience
2. Keith Moon - The Who
3. Ian Paice - Deep Purple
4. John Bonham - Led Zeppelin
5. Carl Palmer - Emerson, Lake and Palmer


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my list would include those mentioned about plus Terry Bozzio, Ansley Dunbar
(both were great with the Mothers of Invention IMO), Simon Phillips, Bill Bruford.



All the above would definitely make my list of top drummers...but I couldn't leave out:

Ginger Baker
Jim Gordon
Mick Fleetwood
Richie Hayward (Little Feat)
Sly Dunbar (along with bassist Robbie Shakespeare are the rhythm section kings of reggae)

I'm not a big Rush fan, but have to give Neal Peart some kudos, too.

Plus, the great simple players who hold the band together:

Ringo Starr
Charlie Watts

And, although they are more considered "jazz" drummers, they could "rock" the "fusion" genre:

Tony Williams
Billy Cobham
Lenny White



 
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  posted on 6/20/2008 at 01:47 PM
Zakk Starkey is very fine drummer. But the only drummer that comes close to Keith Moon's
style and approach would be Chris Cutler (Henry Cow, Fred Frith)

 

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  posted on 6/20/2008 at 03:09 PM
Yeah, Ginger Baker is one underrated drummer. And he even wrote some great songs.

My hands down favorite song of his is:

Do What You Like

Do right, use your head.
Everybody must be fed.
Get together, break your bread.
Yes, together, that's what I said.
Do what you like.

Don't fight, use your head.
It's all right every night.
Do what you like, that's what I said.
Everybody must be fed.
Do what you like.

Open your eyes.
Realize you're not dead.
Take a look at an open book.
Do what you like, that's what I said.
Do what you like.

 

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  posted on 6/20/2008 at 03:11 PM
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I think the problem is that Purple has always been so full of great musicians, great songs and great singers, that the drummer kind of gets lost in the shuffle. But if you listen to Paice, this guy REALLY has it going on................and he plays with both subtlety and power depending on the song. Not only that, he has been the ONE Deep Purple drummer over 40 years. Every record, every tour, unless there is something I don't know.



Another interesting fact is that he is the ONLY person that played on every single deep purple record. Pink Floyd falls in the same category seeing as Nick Mason was the only guy that played on every single pink floyd record.

 

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Another interesting fact is that he is the ONLY person that played on every single deep purple record. Pink Floyd falls in the same category seeing as Nick Mason was the only guy that played on every single pink floyd record.


Isn't Rick Wright on all their records as well?
not every track but on every record.

 

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  posted on 6/20/2008 at 03:59 PM
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My 5 ......off-hand would be:::
1. John Bonham
2.Ginger Baker
3. Matt Abts
4. Tommy Aldridge (BOA,Ozzy,Whitesnake)
5. Terry Bozzio...my fav. all time drummer...I can't say he's a "Rock" drummer...he goes way past that,IMO...

[Edited on 6/20/2008 by hughduty]


the work bozzio did on jeff beck's guitar shop and bozzio, levin, stevens is great.
i like all th drummers mentioned in this thread. whoever said ginger baker is underrated though doesn't pay much attention because he's normaly ranked in the top 10 best drummers ever.
i'd like to add to this thread:
frankie banali
mike portnoy
mark zonder
dave lombardo
paul bostaph

 

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  posted on 6/20/2008 at 04:08 PM
My list -

1. Neil Peart
2. everyone else....

 

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  posted on 6/20/2008 at 04:11 PM
Bernard Purdy.
 

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  posted on 6/20/2008 at 04:14 PM
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A great drummers thread would in no way be complete without Rod Morgenstein. Overall one of the very best I've ever seen.....


True dat

I saw him step in for Billy Cobham when Billy couldn't make some Jazz is Dead
dates because of a conflict with some of his teaching clinics in Europe in 2001.

the music didn't suffer with Rod on the kit. And that is no easy drum chair
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  posted on 6/20/2008 at 04:15 PM
Ian Paice has such a great sense of timing. Match that with his intensity and you have one great drummer. Same goes for Neil Peart(also a great lyricist), and Mat Abts playing fits this mold.
 

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  posted on 6/20/2008 at 04:58 PM
Thanks, several of you, for mentioning Ginger Baker..........one of, if not THE greatest ever, and a glaring omission by me.

 

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Another interesting fact is that he is the ONLY person that played on every single deep purple record. Pink Floyd falls in the same category seeing as Nick Mason was the only guy that played on every single pink floyd record.


Isn't Rick Wright on all their records as well?
not every track but on every record.


If I'm not mistaken, he didn't play at all on The Final Cut. And very little on the Wall.

 

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  posted on 6/20/2008 at 07:51 PM
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A great drummers thread would in no way be complete without Rod Morgenstein. Overall one of the very best I've ever seen.....


he gets overlooked a lot because he's in winger. there are some really good guitar players in hair bands too. nuno bettencourt, andy timmons, warren demartini, george lynch, reb beach, adrain vandenberg, steve vai, paul gilbert, richie kotzen, john sykes, gary hoey just to name a few

 

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  posted on 6/20/2008 at 07:51 PM
having been a drummer for over 40 years Ginger is the best all around drummer i have ever seen, saw him in cream.and have watched many videos of him playing Jazz which is the back round he came from in the same vein,Ian paice is a human metranome,the guy is simply brilliant and he has some very uniuqe fills. Bonham, what can you say best right foot ever.... another great seldom heard of on my top list is Bobby Caldwell just listen to captian Beyonds first two releases to hear the greatness... and at number five of my list Vitto delapada(SP) from canned heat still [playing with them as well..

 

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  posted on 6/20/2008 at 09:09 PM
why do people think neil peart is good at drums? he is so hokey he should have is own personal booth at the local cracker barrel.

some great rock drummers include: steve gadd, all of the zappa drummers, michael shrieve, dennis chambers, jim keltner.

bernard purdie is the man. jabo starks, stubblefield, al jackson are all great players in that vein.


there are so many great players, i don't know why people insist on people like neil peart and buddy rich being the best players.

 

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  posted on 6/20/2008 at 09:17 PM
Several fabulous drummers that haven't been mentioned are:
Danny Seraphine of Chicago Transit Authority and Rodney Holmes of the Steve Kimock Band (and other bands)

 

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  posted on 6/20/2008 at 09:19 PM
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My list -

1. Neil Peart
2. everyone else....


That's very interesting. My list -

1. Everyone who isn't Neil Peart
2. Neil Peart

 

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  posted on 6/20/2008 at 11:02 PM
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why do people think neil peart is good at drums? he is so hokey he should have is own personal booth at the local cracker barrel.

some great rock drummers include: steve gadd, all of the zappa drummers, michael shrieve, dennis chambers, jim keltner.

bernard purdie is the man. jabo starks, stubblefield, al jackson are all great players in that vein.


there are so many great players, i don't know why people insist on people like neil peart and buddy rich being the best players.


how many rush songs do you know? peart plays some pretty complicated rhythms

 
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