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  posted on 6/11/2008 at 09:54 AM
Wal Mart isn't the only retailer that suppliers sell inferior merchandise to. Compare the Weber grills at Lowes/Home Depot to the ones in better outlets, they are VASTLY different. Vendors make cheaper products to hit the price points and margins that the big box guys want. However, Wal Mart is by far the worst at it.

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  posted on 6/11/2008 at 10:00 AM
Walmart Rocks you won't find it new cheaper anywhere else.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2008 at 10:01 AM
I'm just raggin' with you Dude.......

I just buy what I like...thats about it. I don't worry about all the other stuff.

I have to say after getting "Ballbuster" and "Stiff Upper Lip"..that I like Brian better than I did.

Angus dropped the School Boy bit some time ago. Even if he did not, I got no problem with it. I like a little humor and laughter in my life. Angus makes me laugh when he's on stage.


I think he looks rather nice in his suit.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2008 at 10:05 AM
Dropped the school boy outfit? I never saw him without it.

Something a little creepy about a grown man dressing that way. I am sure he will be buried in it. While the band rides an A chord through the whole ceremony.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2008 at 10:16 AM
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Walmart Rocks you won't find it new cheaper anywhere else.


Oh no Bob, your not supposed to want cheaper prices.

Whats wrong with you...LOL !

 

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  posted on 6/11/2008 at 10:16 AM
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Dropped the school boy outfit? I never saw him without it.

Something a little creepy about a grown man dressing that way. I am sure he will be buried in it. While the band rides an A chord through the whole ceremony.


Wow...a little cruel there.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2008 at 10:56 AM
As Eddie Van Halen noted in an interview sometime ago when asked why he's a fan of the band: "Every AC/DC song is basically the same, but what a song it is!"
 

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  posted on 6/11/2008 at 11:50 AM
AC/DC are certainly free to make whatever decisions they'd like. They are grown men. It's just hard to have respect for this particular decision when bands like Gov't Mule and Pearl Jam have released CDs to be sold exclusively in independent record stores, as opposed to a company that is already the largest retailer in the country. It seems that AC/DC are much more interested in their checkbooks than the independent record stores and the music industry as a whole. Money talks.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2008 at 11:57 AM
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As Eddie Van Halen noted in an interview sometime ago when asked why he's a fan of the band: "Every AC/DC song is basically the same, but what a song it is!"


Well, apparently the pot is now calling the kettle pot.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2008 at 12:15 PM
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It's just hard to have respect for this particular decision when bands like Gov't Mule and Pearl Jam have released CDs to be sold exclusively in independent record stores, as opposed to a company that is already the largest retailer in the country. It seems that AC/DC are much more interested in their checkbooks than the independent record stores and the music industry as a whole. Money talks.


Wonder were these "ondependent record stores" are at nowadays? Every year that goes by there are less and less of them. I live in the DC metro area, and my guess there are no more than handful of "independent record stores" still around the area and most of them have started to cater to an "niche" audience - jazz fans, classical musical buffs, ect. Truth of the matter is, if you're an established artist/band and you want to sell more than 50 - 100,000 copies of your latest CD, then you're pretty much going to have work out an "exclusive distribution" deal with somebody like Walmart, Best Buys, ect. The "independent record stores" and website downloads aren't going to generate anywhere near the same same sales volumes, and if you think about all the cost that go into making a quality commercial recording and it's distribution then you have to sale at least 50 - 100,000 copies to just break even. The Mule isn't making much money on their recording, their money is made touring. The smaller artist are ALWAYS going to have to depend on the independent record stores and selling from their website or at their shows, but it you're bigger, most established artist, you really can't afford to go that route.

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  posted on 6/11/2008 at 12:27 PM
Don't blame Walmart, blame the trade policy that the industrailized governments currently embrace. Unfortunately, until someone in Washington has the balls to limit the free movement of goods and services from other countries this trend will continue. It is a perpetual machine, jobs leave, pay scales drop causing many no alternative to but to shop at discount stores. Also, the consumer society that we live in is a large part of the problem. Big houses, big TV's big debt, its all encompasing and to top it off the industrailized world is financing it all and suppling the raw materials. The train is out of control and it can't be stopped. We like John, support our local businesses as much as possible here in Ontario. Because it costs a little more, we buy less and only what we really need and find in genreal the products are or higher quality and least much longer. I mean, how many TV's do you really need?? Rant aside, I'm glad they have a new album coming out becasue that will mean tour and that is all I care about!

 

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  posted on 6/11/2008 at 01:06 PM
AC/DC signs exclusive deal with Wal-MArt


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  posted on 6/11/2008 at 04:10 PM
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Wonder were these "ondependent record stores" are at nowadays? Every year that goes by there are less and less of them. I live in the DC metro area, and my guess there are no more than handful of "independent record stores" still around the area and most of them have started to cater to an "niche" audience - jazz fans, classical musical buffs, ect.


Independent record stores often cater to a specific niche audience. That's what makes them worthwhile. That's why they should be supported, instead of ignored.

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Truth of the matter is, if you're an established artist/band and you want to sell more than 50 - 100,000 copies of your latest CD, then you're pretty much going to have work out an "exclusive distribution" deal with somebody like Walmart, Best Buys, ect. The "independent record stores" and website downloads aren't going to generate anywhere near the same same sales volumes, and if you think about all the cost that go into making a quality commercial recording and it's distribution then you have to sale at least 50 - 100,000 copies to just break even.


How does a band sell more copies by limiting their options of retailers? AC/DC is not going to sell more records by limiting their album to Wal-Mart than if they were to sell it at Wal-Mart, Best Buy, amazon.com, and all the struggling independent stores. If bands had to make exclusive deals to different outlets to sell more copies, it would be done far more often by far more bands. It's about greed. Wal-Mart has likely offered AC/DC and their management a lot of dollars so that the album would be exclusive to their stores, thus making it so Wal-Mart will profit on every single album sold, instead the fraction they would normally sell if the album were at all stores. With the extra money they've grossed, they use a fraction of that to pay the AC/DC clan. It's not record sales. It's the money in the bank for AC/DC and money in the bank for Wal-Mart.

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The Mule isn't making much money on their recording, their money is made touring. The smaller artist are ALWAYS going to have to depend on the independent record stores and selling from their website or at their shows, but it you're bigger, most established artist, you really can't afford to go that route.


What about groups like Radiohead and Pearl Jam, who have already become big name artists? They also have released things for exclusive sale in independent stores. They have managed to afford going that route. How is this for affordable? AC/DC are already millionaires. How much more money do they need that they shut out the little man entirely?

AC/DC can do whatever they want. I'm not going to buy the album anyway. But my initial point, which I stand by, is that if a band makes an exclusive deal with a certain retailer or group of retailers, it is much more commendable when the artist chooses a store that needs help than to choose a store that is already on top of the world.

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  posted on 6/11/2008 at 04:14 PM
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again not even sure why that is upsetting-i don't even buy music anymore

its better to share it

www.limewire.com BABY!!

and i will go see ac/dc when they come to NY!


The problem with this is that there will be no music left to share, because no one will make money to make new music. It's actually quite sad.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2008 at 04:16 PM
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Love how this thread has turned into a Wal-Mart bashing. Of course, it's easier to do that than to discuss "why" recording artists might want to deal directly with Wal-Mart instead of letting record companies sell their CDs. I'm not a big Wal-Mart fan, but I do understand with the way the recording industry is nowadays that many artists are taking control of all aspects of their recording careers, and distribution of their recording is just one of those areas. The "Mom and Pop" record stores are long gone, killed off primarily by the chain stores that use to sell records/CDs and now they're pretty much out of business. Fact of the matter, there's really not to many places that sell CDs anymore, so if I was an artist, I would be cutting an "exclusive deal" with whoever I thought could do the best job of selling my recordings, and right now that appears to be Wal-Mart.


This is such a great point. I am not a fan of Wal*Mart, but to a band, they are just another distributor now and the one who is by far offering the best deal. I can't blame them. In fact, in a lot of ways, most of the music distributors are owned by large evil companies anyway.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2008 at 05:07 PM
Tell me something, why should an established artist/band feel the need to carry record companies, independent record stores and many of the bands that never make it on their backs? Especially the ones who have been in the business for many years. That was one of the reason that the Allman Brothers went with Santuary Record has the band didn't want or need a full service record company. They just need a company that they could lease their recording to for a specific amount of time and that would handle the distribution. The band itself paid for all the other cost of "Hittin the Note" and retained ownership of the masters and all publishing rights. In that regards, the Allman Brothers relationship with Santuary wasn't much different, than the Eagles (and now AC/DC) relationship with Wal-mart. Unfortunately, Santuary Records decided to cease U.S. operations, and their is no other record company similiar to Santuary Records who clients are established artists/bands who don't want or need a full-service record company. Thus companies like Wal-mart, Best Buy, ect provide a way for an artists/bands to have a large-scale distribution of it's recordings without having the baggage (and cost) of being signed to a full service record company. Most bands will tell you they hate record companies, because they're always screwing the artists/bands over royalities payments, and charging them for many services that the artists/bands doesn't really need or use. Which is why many artists/band have try to start their own labels. Of course, the biggest drawback and reason for failure of these labels is in the area of distribution. It's really difficut to distribute a recording in a profitable manner especially when you're dealing with many different distribuors (basically it's an accounting nightmare). Thus, Wal-Mart, provides a way to have a single source distributor that has enough of a market share to make it very profitable for the band to do business with, and to also reduce cost of the CD itself to the fans, while at the same time putting more money into the artists/bands pockets, instead of everyone else at the record company and it's distributors getting their cut first with the artists/bands being the last ones to get paid. Another thing to remember, that for many music fans, Wal-mart is the ONLY place they can buy CDs.
 

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  posted on 6/11/2008 at 05:35 PM
When Wal-Mart offers a distribution deal to struggling bands like I mentioned in my previous post here, Calexico and Luce, then I'll get on their bandwagon, and not until. And furthermore, I don't even understand the business sense of big bands like AC/DC doing this, at least not where I live. San Jose is the second largest city in California, nearly one million people, and we have ONE Wal-mart tucked away in south San Jose. I've lived here 23 years and I've been in there exactly three times.

 

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  posted on 6/12/2008 at 08:05 AM
They will start by selling there and after a while other retailers will have it. Always the way with these deals.

Genesis followed AC/DC yesterday by announcing that WalMart will be selling the upcoming DVD.

They should remake a Genesis video and replace Phil's face with that . It looks better than Phil and they have the same amount of hair anyway.

 

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  posted on 6/12/2008 at 08:13 AM
My problem with Wal-Mart are the crowds and long check out lines!!!!!!!

 

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  posted on 6/12/2008 at 12:52 PM
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My problem with Wal-Mart are the crowds and long check out lines!!!!!!!


My wife and I tried the Wal-Mart thing when first married. Same problems, plus filthy stores and clothes that disintigrate the first time they are washed. We also don't enjoy shopping with a bunch of frantic, crabby people who love smashing their shopping carts into your cart, you or your kids in their mania to GRAB ALL THE BARGAINS! Bleh!

 

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  posted on 6/12/2008 at 05:43 PM
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As Eddie Van Halen noted in an interview sometime ago when asked why he's a fan of the band: "Every AC/DC song is basically the same, but what a song it is!"


Thats funny and true....what a song it is. I like AC/DC, yeah the songs may sound the same but they rawk!!! I like Brian Johnson just as much as Bon Scott. Hell it's been close to 30 some yrs since Bon has been gone and Brian is just as significant member of this band as anyone else. Brian has a great voice for this band they still draw them in at concert's with the same song . They have been doing it for 30 plus years that way and my hat's off to them.


I love AC/DC!!!!


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  posted on 6/13/2008 at 07:19 AM
The doom guy called me bitter. Now that is comedy.

Once again he has proved that Dumb Shall Rise.

 

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  posted on 6/15/2008 at 09:57 AM
paulig-not true because there will still be plenty out there (like you i guees) that think they Have To Buy music, like some of my friends who actually think limewire is illegal!

oh brother

why buy something that you can get for free???

 
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