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  posted on 5/8/2008 at 01:55 AM
The one with the original lineup that showed up a few months ago? The incredible "Mountain Jam" followed by "Dont Want You No More" and "Its Not My Cross to Bear?"

I never read what the date was and where the concert was held. I know it was Atlanta 1970, but whats the date and concert venue?

I want to accurately label it.

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[Edited on 5/8/2008 by D28guy]

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  posted on 5/8/2008 at 03:27 AM
I don't think anyone knows for sure yet! I think 5/23 (the date originally thoguht) was ruled out though

 

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  posted on 5/8/2008 at 01:23 PM
You are correct, 5/23 has been ruled out and definitely is not the correct date. To bring you up to date I have copied some posts over from another thread on this subject . . .

First let me take you back through some linked posts by Joe Bell and Ann Sandlin . . .

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JNB: David Michaelson also remembers a show originally scheduled for Gordy Tire on Peachtree street a few days after the 1st Atlanta Pop Festival that got changed at the last minute to the Agora Ballroom.


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Ann: I know there was the one in November 22/23, 1969 but that didn't seem to be at the ballroom, although there is some question as to whether the venue was changed at the last minute and could well have been played there.


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Ann: When I read the earlier (JNB) post I thought it sounded a little familiar and did some checking. Here is what I've got:

"Unless there are two separate instances, the show mentioned was not a few days after the 1st Atlanta Pop unless that festival was in November of 69. The show I think being referenced was scheduled for the Duke Tire Warehouse on 11th and Peachtree, November 22/23 and hastily changed to the Agora Ballroom when the Warehouse was condemned by the city. The price was raised from $3 to $4 when the venue changed."


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JNB: I couldn't remember if it was Gordy Tire or Duke - but the location you mention is absolutely correct. Evidently, according to David Michaelson (who is a very serious collector/historian and participant of that time period), the higher-ups at Duke Tire didn't know that their place was going to be used for a “hippie” concert and the concert had to move to another venue when they found out about it. Then it had to move again. The ABB had people at the first Atlanta Pop spreading the word about the concert but hardly anyone came to the Agora as the venue had changed twice in a very short time. The 1st Atlanta Pop Festival was in July - so this particular show that David speaks of must have been in mid July of '69.


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Ann: Question....since there is a venue of Duke Tire Company listed for November 1969 which is not too long after the Piedmont Festival, is there any possibility it wasn't the Atlanta Pop Festival but rather the Piedmont? Otherwise, how would the band be scheduled to play Duke Tire Company after they'd already been turned away? Just trying to make sense of some things.


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JNB: That's a real good point - I'll check with David and revisit the time frames.


Now, listen to what Duane says at the introduction of the encore: “This next song we are about to do is a little bit out of character, but we think it is appropriate

I had thought it strange that they should play this particular encore, as it was more commonly used as a set opener, the appropriate encore being “Don’t Want You No More”. Could Duane calling this "appropriate" be a reference to the fact that their show had been moved from a location that they were no longer welcome at and they ended up at the ballroom as discussed above?

Furthermore, there is very little crowd noise on this recording, suggesting a small audience in attendance as attested by David Michaelson.

As Ann also said in an earlier post, the best lead we will have is getting the information on all the shows the ABB played for Alex Cooley, and identifying the (first?) one played at the Ballroom instead of the Duke Tire Co.

Although this evidence points to the show being the one that was relocated, which was supposedly in November ’69, my ears tell me this show should be from the spring of 1970. I spent one morning listening to the various traded shows from the ‘70s and concur with most other people’s observations that the Mountain Jam is very similar to the Ludlow Garage version, but perhaps a little bit more developed than that one, whilst slightly less developed / different to the Atlanta Pop Festival version.

Furthermore, Ann told us that the Statesboro Blues from this particular show (which has not yet been transferred from analogue to digital) has a double ending. I have checked out all the commercial releases and traded versions of Statesboro Blues from that era and note the following:

01 / 16 / 70 ... FILLMORE WEST – SAN FRANCISCO ..... NORMAL ENDING
01 / 20 / 70 ... UC – RIVERSIDE ..... NO STATESBORO
02 / 11 / 70 ... FILLMORE EAST – NEW YORK ..... NORMAL ENDING
02 / 14 / 70 ... FILLMORE EAST – NEW YORK ..... NO STATESBORO
03 / 13 / 70 ... WAREHOUSE – NEW ORLEANS ..... NO STATESBORO
04 / 04 / 70 ... LUDLOW GARAGE – CINCINNATI ..... DOUBLE ENDING
04 / 28 / 70 ... S.U.N.Y. – STONYBROOK ..... DOUBLE ENDING
05 / 02 / 70 ... SWARTHMORE COLLEGE ..... DOUBLE ENDING
06 / 14 / 70 ... PIEDMONT PARK – ATLANTA ..... NO STATESBORO
07 / 03 / 70 ... BYRON – GEORGIA ..... DOUBLE ENDING

07 / 05 / 70 ... BYRON – GEORGIA ..... NORMAL ENDING
07 / 17 / 70 ... LOVE VALLEY FESTIVAL ..... NORMAL ENDING
07 / 19 / 70 ... LOVE VALLEY FESTIVAL ..... NO STATESBORO
07 / 26 / 70 ... S.U.N.Y. – STONYBROOK ..... NO STATESBORO
09 / 04 / 70 ... THE SCENE – MILWAUKEE ..... NORMAL ENDING
09 / 27 / 70 ... PIEDMONT PARK – ATLANTA ..... NO STATESBORO
12 / 13 / 70 ... AMERICAN UNIVERSITY – WASHINGTON ..... NORMAL ENDING
12 / 31 / 70 ... WAREHOUSE - NEW ORLEANS ..... NORMAL ENDING

As can be seen, based upon these recordings, the experimentation with a double ending on Statesboro Blues also spans the Ludlow Garage to Atlanta Pop period.

Based upon this, I am pretty sure that the new recording is from sometime between April and June 1970.

Subsequently, Matt (origapch) added the following:

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While we are continuing to uncover and get closer to the records where we hope an answer lies as to the exact dates that the Allman Brothers played at the Georgian Terrace Hotel Ballroom, other details are starting to surface. I had a very interesting conversation with an Atlanta historian about the Georgian Terrace Hotel and Ballroom a few days ago.

I must have asked a hundred questions and fortunately was talking to someone who had grown up in Atlanta as I did and could fill in many of the blanks for the questions I asked. The Allman Brothers played several shows in the Grand Ballroom in the spring of 1970. This is the same ballroom that hosted the reception gala for the opening of the movie "Gone With The Wind" in 1939. The ballroom was on the 1st or ground floor. I vaguely remember going to an event there in the late 60's, it was a huge open room with a drop ceiling and there was no bar set up. They had portable stations they brought in and set up for events.


Matt had previously established that the Ballroom was not called the Agora at this time, and the show venue is thus confirmed as “The Ballroom at the Georgian Terrace Hotel – Atlanta”

The last post on this issue by Matt (origapch) on this topic was:

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I am just hoping that we can get someone in Atlanta to got to the GA State University library and go thru the archives to try and get the dates of the Georgian Terrace Ballroom shows.


Anybody know of someone in Atlanta who could do this for us?


 

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  posted on 5/8/2008 at 05:01 PM
Bumpin this up

 

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  posted on 5/8/2008 at 08:13 PM
I don't know if this contributes anything, but upon listening and re-listening,
I think Dickey is playing a strat....There is a point toward the end of Mountain Jam
(I think it was around track 6 -about 10minutes in) the sound get's a little cleaner, and
I think Dickey is playing strat. I think that also fits in with spring 1970, where (if memory serves....LOL) there a few photos of Dickey playing a strat.

 

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  posted on 5/9/2008 at 07:52 AM
Capn Skip will know....

 

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  posted on 5/9/2008 at 07:57 AM
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I don't know if this contributes anything, but upon listening and re-listening,
I think Dickey is playing a strat....There is a point toward the end of Mountain Jam
(I think it was around track 6 -about 10minutes in) the sound get's a little cleaner, and
I think Dickey is playing strat. I think that also fits in with spring 1970, where (if memory serves....LOL) there a few photos of Dickey playing a strat.


Thanks for the input Gary ... every little bit helps ... and I think you are right about the Strat ... here is a photo from Atlanta Pop July 1970 ... sorry it is so small ... but I'm sure that is a Strat in Dickey's hands ...





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  posted on 5/9/2008 at 08:02 AM
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Capn Skip will know....


Not even Skip knows I'm afraid Brent ... the tape was given to Johnny Sandlin and all we can narrow it down to at the moment is the time period of Autumn '69 to Summer '70 ...

 

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  posted on 5/9/2008 at 11:41 AM
So, is this tape been traded yet? I would love to hear it. I remember reading about it here when it first came about, but I didn't make any effort to track it down...
 

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  posted on 5/9/2008 at 07:00 PM
Harvey,

Is that a strat or an Gibson SG in the photo? I looks like the SG to me....

 

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  posted on 5/9/2008 at 07:51 PM
I was there and remember it vividly. I was 18 months old and Duane signed my diaper.
The date was May, who the hell cares, 1970. :P

 

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  posted on 5/9/2008 at 07:56 PM
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So, is this tape been traded yet? I would love to hear it. I remember reading about it here when it first came about, but I didn't make any effort to track it down...

here is most of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxuPiztXz1o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15FvqsD1dUg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl0gcx6-f0Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqTGrZbiUW0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MvggES1axE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3S9-KQwy88
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ER-D_WN-Pg

 

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  posted on 5/9/2008 at 07:59 PM
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I was there and remember it vividly. I was 18 months old and Duane signed my diaper.
The date was May, who the hell cares, 1970.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dude you is got my heart

 

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  posted on 5/12/2008 at 02:27 AM
I hear you Clay ... it doesn't really matter when the concert took place ... we should just be truly thankful that it did and that we have a recording of it ... which we are

It is just that the would be sleuth in me wants to dig and find out more info ... especially as it is such a sentimental recording having been given to Johnny by Duane.

I would have thought that this investigation and the story behind the gig ... if it was the one that was moved from the Tire Co ... would make a nice little anecdote for a future issue of HTN

 

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  posted on 5/12/2008 at 05:49 PM
Paging HTN

 

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  posted on 5/14/2008 at 08:21 AM
Joe Bell ... please go to the white courtesy phone

 

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  posted on 5/15/2008 at 02:17 AM
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Harvey,

Is that a strat or an Gibson SG in the photo? I looks like the SG to me....




Quite right Gary ... it is a Gibson SG ... the other picyture was so small I thought it might have been a Strat

 

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  posted on 5/16/2008 at 12:01 PM
Clay, you are the best man. Thank you!
 

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  posted on 5/16/2008 at 12:07 PM
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