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  posted on 3/20/2008 at 04:06 AM
who do you folks prefer as a singer and song writer?

my choice is jerry but Robert Hall comes very close..

 

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  posted on 3/20/2008 at 05:14 AM
i predict this is going to be a near landslide in favor of jerry. so...jerry ;P

 

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  posted on 3/20/2008 at 05:21 AM
Jerry

 

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  posted on 3/20/2008 at 06:01 AM
Jerry....

 

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  posted on 3/20/2008 at 06:11 AM


Ron"Pigpen' McKernan...

Then Jerry........

 

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  posted on 3/20/2008 at 06:22 AM
If I had to see either one in concert, I'd rather see Bob. He's a better singer.

Together, they complemented each other.

 

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  posted on 3/20/2008 at 08:30 AM
Jerry
 

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  posted on 3/20/2008 at 08:31 AM
While I appreciate the thread from our friend in Sweden, a true and true Deadhead would not really think in those terms - Jerry vs Bob. You would think of them as two key members - and musical Brothers - of a great band who brought so much to the table in terms of writing and playing abilities. In the 80-plus times I saw The Dead, I can't remember even one time getting into a conversation about who I "liked" better. There were never any complaints about either one because it was always great regardless of who was singning and we felt like we were always witnessing something special - that's just the way we felt.

One of the very cool thiings about seeing The Dead live was we always got an equal share of Jerry and Bob tunes and I wouldn't want it any other way. I have favorites from both guys...In a first set for instance you might get Bob doing "Cassidy" then Jerry with a sweet "Birdsong". In the second set you might get Jerry with a nice Scarlet>Fire then Bob with "Playin" or "Estimated Prophet". It was always cool trying to guess what would come next in their large menu of tunes.

No favorites with me - It's not Jerry vs. Bob. It is "Jerry AND Bob".

By the way, if we were getting technical about songwriting with The Dead, it would be Garcia/Hunter and Weir/Barlow. Don't ever forget where those great lyrics came from...

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  posted on 3/20/2008 at 09:09 AM
Yeah, I can't really answer that honestly, because to me, if you really like one and not the other, I feel like you should really be listening to The Jerry Garcia Band or RatDog!

I guess, what I like is the mixture of everyone who had been in that band. I DO think that a lot of people dislike Bobby for reasons I can't understand. I always hear this "he's a rockstar" crap that doesn't make any sense to me.

As a songwriter, Bob definitely writes more interesting chord progressions and time signatures than Jerry. And some of those songs are truly amazing. However, Jerry is the more "commercial" writer. His songs are easy to relate to and are usually quite beautiful. And obviously more plentiful.

Performance wise Bobby was more consistent, mostly thanks to the last 15 years of Jerry's life where you didn't know what you would get out of him. - That's not to say Bobby didn't have his share of bad moments.

I'm babbling again. I guess I just like Grateful Dead as a whole.

 

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  posted on 3/20/2008 at 09:20 AM
Love them both, but Bobby Rock Star's tendency to yell/scream/holler/shout/emulate dying animals makes me want to punch walls.
 

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  posted on 3/20/2008 at 11:43 AM
I agree with those who say they have to be viewed as Jerry and Bob. This is like asking who did you like the Allman Brothers Band with more; Dickey or Duane? Warren or Derek? Bob carried along like Dickey did; but things would never be the same again.
 

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  posted on 3/20/2008 at 12:18 PM
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I agree with those who say they have to be viewed as Jerry and Bob. This is like asking who did you like the Allman Brothers Band with more; Dickey or Duane? Warren or Derek? Bob carried along like Dickey did; but things would never be the same again.


Good point on the ABB...

What do you mean though "Bob carried along like Dickey did..."?

 

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  posted on 3/20/2008 at 01:42 PM
I could be wrong, but I think he means that Bob carried on when Jerry died, just like Dickey carried on when Duane died. ?????
 

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  posted on 3/20/2008 at 01:46 PM
allthough they should get equall billing,i do have to admit that jerry tunes are my favorites.As was the jerry band. RIP JERRY.
 

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  posted on 3/20/2008 at 01:52 PM
Phil was definitely the vocalist of the group - everyone else played second fiddle
 

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  posted on 3/20/2008 at 01:58 PM
They just meshed well together as a unit. No one individual could have possibly dominated that band.

 

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  posted on 3/20/2008 at 02:02 PM
I'm with most of the others, Bob and Jerry were parts of a whole. That said, there were certain Dead songs that I'd wait for, so I could go on a concession/restroom run. They were not Jerry songs.

 

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  posted on 3/20/2008 at 02:02 PM
Depends for me.

Somedays I get a groove going for Bob's stuff.
Other days, it's Jerry's.

Then there are days I just want to hear them jammin'

 

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  posted on 3/20/2008 at 02:45 PM
I could be wrong, but I think he means that Bob carried on when Jerry died, just like Dickey carried on when Duane died. ?????

That is what I meant; not the carrying on that led Dickey to get fired via fax. I would imagine getting fired from the Dead would have required an even higher threshold of bad behavior.


 

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  posted on 3/20/2008 at 03:28 PM
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Love them both, but Bobby Rock Star's tendency to yell/scream/holler/shout/emulate dying animals makes me want to punch walls.


Throw Donna Godcheaux's screeching and screaming in there also and yikes you got a real ear bleeder.

 

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Phil was definitely the vocalist of the group - everyone else played second fiddle


hee hee.

 

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  posted on 3/20/2008 at 03:31 PM
what EddieP said (very well, I might add)

 

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  posted on 3/20/2008 at 03:32 PM
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I could be wrong, but I think he means that Bob carried on when Jerry died, just like Dickey carried on when Duane died. ?????

That is what I meant; not the carrying on that led Dickey to get fired via fax. I would imagine getting fired from the Dead would have required an even higher threshold of bad behavior.




Oh, Okay! I was totally confused by that statement. (Obviously not a hard thing to do!)

 

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Love them both, but Bobby Rock Star's tendency to yell/scream/holler/shout/emulate dying animals makes me want to punch walls.


Throw Donna Godcheaux's screeching and screaming in there also and yikes you got a real ear bleeder.


You know, I noticed that Donna's vocals were much worse 72-74, whereas in 75-79 I have many shows where she's fine and pleasurable to listen to. (Obviously not evey one). Unfortunately Keith Godchaux is exactly the opposite. He was phenomenal 71-74.

That Bobby yelping bothers me particularly in the late 70's & early 80's. (I think he was still doing some more serious drugs at those times), but I feel he MOSTLY mellowed out. But what bothers me more than Bob's yelping or Donna's early wailing, is later Phil vocals when he just doesn't have it going on.

Or actually honestly, the thing that pains me the most to listen to is the early to mid 80's shows (and some later ones too) where Jerry is just GONE. It's painful, because his voice is so strained and out of tune, but also (unlike I feel about any of the other bad vocals) it just seems sad, like it didn't have to be that way. I have an 85 show (I can't remember the date, I only have it on cassette) where I just can't listen to any of the Jerry songs. His voice is TRASHED and he's not singing pitch, and he's not keeping up with the rest of the band, who by the way are rocking very hard.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to trash anyone. Jerry, Bob, Phil, Pigpen, Bill, Mickey, TC, Keith, Donna, Brent, Bruce & Vince all have their share of great moments, but with so much available we get to hear all the bad moments too. I don't mean to focus on the negative.

 

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  posted on 3/20/2008 at 03:52 PM
apples and oranges

Even Bob admits its easy to fly under the radar for 35 years when your standing next to an icon like Jerry. The genius of Weir is over looked but he wrote alot of the Dead songs we like. Hunter was the wordsmith though and Jerry walks away with alot of credit for Hunters work, but Jerry wins all contest hands down to any and all competitors. If you get confused just listen to the music play....

 

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