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  posted on 3/16/2008 at 06:38 PM
I assume the early albums, maybe up to Brothers and Sisters were available on pre-recorded reel to reel. Are there any reel to reel freaks on board? Are these hard to find? Since any bootleg aspect is long historic..... Where any vintage bootlegs put out in the old days on reel to reel, you know like the old vinyl ones, with printed covers and such.......

I do know there was more done on reel to reel in the old days than most realize..... I used to have All Things Must Pass on reel to reel.....

 

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  posted on 3/16/2008 at 06:39 PM
I guess another question: Are there high end NEW source of reel to reel, like the audiophile vinyl stuff?

 

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  posted on 3/16/2008 at 06:56 PM
The first real band I was in, in HS, got hold to an old reel to reel. We set it up with a little PA, and recorded a few demo's. I think my Dad still has the DAT that we transferred it to. It was a lot of fun, but sure was a pain to work with.

 

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  posted on 3/16/2008 at 06:59 PM
I had a buddy in high school that had a lot of stuff on reel to reel.

Can you even buy a new deck these days?

 

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  posted on 3/16/2008 at 07:32 PM
I had a friend in High School that used a Reel to Reel set. He had a good bit of Commercial music. But it cost more that the LP's did.

I saw on Ebay some reel to reel equipment, Here's a link for you :
http://search.ebay.com/reel-to-reel_W0QQfrppZ50QQfsopZ1QQmaxrecordsreturned Z300



I will even throw in the Wiki stuff on reel to reel.



The earliest reel-to-reel systems used metal wire as a medium (see wire recording), which is robust, but suffers from a number of problems – fidelity is poor, it requires a strong current to imprint the signal onto the wire, it is inconvenient to physically cut and splice to effect an edit, and the wire can kink or even tangle. The invention of cellulose acetate plastic tape coated with iron oxide solved these problems, opening up the use of tape recorders in studios. Wire was also used as a recording medium in black box voice recorders for aviation in the 1950s.

The great advantage of tape for studios was twofold – it allowed a performance to be recorded without the 30 minute time limitation of a phonograph disc, and it permitted a recorded performance to be edited. For the first time, audio could be manipulated as a physical entity. Tape editing is performed simply by cutting the tape at the required point, and rejoining it to another section of tape using adhesive tape, or sometimes glue. This is called a splice. The splicing tape has to be very thin to avoid impeding the tape's motion, and the adhesive is carefully formulated to avoid leaving a sticky residue on the tape or deck. Usually, the cut is made at an angle across the tape so that any "click" or other noise introduced by the cut is spread across a few milliseconds of the recording. The use of reels to supply and collect the tape also made it very easy for editors to manually move the tape back and forth across the heads to find the exact point they wished to edit. Tape to be spliced was clamped in a special splicing block attached to the deck near the heads to hold the tape accurately while the edit was made. A skilled editor could make these edits very rapidly and accurately. A side effect of cutting the tape at an angle is that on stereo tapes the edit occurs on one channel a split-second before the other.


The performance of tape recording is greatly affected by the width of the tracks used to record a signal, and the speed of the tape. The wider and faster the better, but of course this uses more tape. These factors lead directly to improved frequency response, signal-to-noise ratio, and high frequency distortion figures. Tape can accommodate multiple parallel tracks, allowing not just stereo recordings, but multi-track recordings too. This gives the producer of the final edit much greater flexibility, allowing a performance to be remixed long after the performance was originally recorded. This innovation was a great driving force behind the explosion of popular music in the late 1950s and 1960s. The first multi-tracking recorders had four tracks, then eight, then sixteen, twenty-four, and so on. It was also discovered that new effects were possible using multi-tracking recorders, such as phasing and flanging, delays and echo, so these innovations appeared on pop recordings shortly after multi-tracking recorders were introduced.


A typical home reel to reel tape recorder, this one made by Sonora. It could play stereo quarter track tapes, but record only in one quarter track mono. Home equipment with missing features were fairly common back in the 50's and 60's.


For home use, simpler reel-to-reel recorders were available, and a number of track formats and tape speeds were standardised to permit interoperability and prerecorded music. [The first prerecorded Reel To Reel Tapes were introduced by RCA Victor Record Co. in 1954.] Reel to reel was still popular through to the end of the 1970s, despite the ubiquitous cassette, mostly because of the superior quality of open reel recordings. Audiophiles are willing to accept the relative fiddliness of open reel tape to gain better quality reproduction. Reel-to-reel tape editing also gained cult-status when many used this technique on hit-singles in the 1980s.

When Ampex broke apart in the 1990s, Quantegy Inc. was formed, later becoming Quantegy Recording Solutions in 2004. Quantegy (and formerly Ampex) led the field in reel-to-reel technology, and Quantegy was the only company left making reel-to-reel tape in the world for a period of two years. In 2006 Recorded Media Group International RMGI in the Netherlands, began manufacturing EMTEC specification tape in Oosterhout and is now the largest open reel tape manufacturer in the world.

ATR Magnetics of York, PA, longtime service and modification shop for multitrack and master recorders, began manufacturing analog multitrack tape, and in November of 2006 began beta testing a new formula.

Tape speeds

In general, the faster the speed the better the sound quality. Slower speeds conserve tape and are useful in applications where sound quality is not critical.

* 15/16 inch per second (in/s) or 2.38 cm/s — used for very long-duration recordings (e.g. recording a radio station's entire output in case of complaints aka "logging")
* 1&#8542; in/s or 4.76 cm/s — usually the slowest domestic speed, best for long duration speech recordings
* 3¾ in/s or 9.52 cm/s — common domestic speed, used on most single-speed domestic machines, reasonable quality for speech and off-air radio recordings
* 7½ in/s or 19.05 cm/s — highest domestic speed, also slowest professional; used by most radio stations for "dubs", copies of commercial announcements; Through the early-mid 90's many stations could not handle 15 IPS.
* 15 in/s or 38.1 cm/s — professional music recording and radio programming
* 30 in/s or 76.2 cm/s — used where the best possible treble response is demanded, e.g., many classical music recordings


Quality aspects

Tape speeds are similar to today's MP3, where the sampling rate may be 44.1, but the bit rate is 32, 64, 128, etc. Even though a recording on tape may have been made with studio quality, tape speed was the limiting factor, much like bit rate is today. A recording on magnetic audio tape is linear; unlike today's digital audio, jumping from spot to spot to edit was not only time consuming, it was destructive -- unless the recording was duplicated before edit, normally taking the same amount of time to copy, in order to preserve 75-90 percent of the quality of the original.

As a musical instrument/b]

Early reel-to-reel users realized that segments of tape could be spliced together and otherwise manipulated by adjusting playback speed or direction of a given recording. In the same way as modern keyboards allow sampling and playback at different speeds, a reel-to-reel could accomplish similar feats in the hands of a talented user. Consider:

* Delia Derbyshire, who performed the original Doctor Who theme by recording oscillators and then manually cutting together each individual note on a group of reel-to-reels.
* Revolution 9 by The Beatles, where many effects were produced using a reel-to-reel and tape editing techniques.
* Are You Experienced by Jimi Hendrix, where much of the drum track was recorded, then played backwards on a reel-to-reel.
* Musique concrète in general.
* Pink Floyd's cash register intro to their track "Money" was made using a loop of "splices" which was continually run through the reel to reel mechanism.
* Mission of Burma, whose fourth member Martin Swope "played" a reel-to-reel tape recorder live, either playing previously recorded samples at certain times or recording part of the band's performance and playing it back either in reverse or at different speeds. When the band re-formed in 2002, audio engineer Bob Weston took over Swope's role at the tape deck.
* Manic Street Preachers song You Stole The Sun From My Heart main rhythmic beat is played by a reel-to-reel tape player
* Aaron Dilloway, founding member of Wolf Eyes, often utilizes a reel to reel tape machine in his solo performances.


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http://www.jukn55.com/other-items-reeltoreeltapes.html


http://www.ultraelectronicactive.com/StarGarRecEquip.html#RtR-Decks

 

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  posted on 3/16/2008 at 09:36 PM
I stil have a reel of 1/4" that i got from a friend of mine who was part of the ticketing agency for Alice Cooper, Uriah heep, Yes. She talked about hanging with ABB back in the early 70's...I've got to find some way to spin that reel.

 

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I stil have a reel of 1/4" that i got from a friend of mine who was part of the ticketing agency for Alice Cooper, Uriah heep, Yes. She talked about hanging with ABB back in the early 70's...I've got to find some way to spin that reel.


I am sure that there is a studio in your area that could do a transfer for you. Probably would not charge much either. If not, I could very likely get it done for you except the cost of mailing it is probably more than the transfer itself.

Do you know what is on it?

 

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I stil have a reel of 1/4" that i got from a friend of mine who was part of the ticketing agency for Alice Cooper, Uriah heep, Yes. She talked about hanging with ABB back in the early 70's...I've got to find some way to spin that reel.


I am sure that there is a studio in your area that could do a transfer for you. Probably would not charge much either. If not, I could very likely get it done for you except the cost of mailing it is probably more than the transfer itself.

Do you know what is on it?


He went to a guy in our area... the price was pretty high actually..

 

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  posted on 3/16/2008 at 10:23 PM
Really. That is suprising but I guess that some people will try and make what they can.

Perhaps try a college or some form of community college. Often they still have older equipment and may do it for nothing or allow you to do so yourself. Some older repair shops also although they are harder to find but you might have some luck.

I think some members here work in colleges and could perhaps enquire.

I was doing some tutoring with broadcast students at my old college last year and was showing them some things in the old studios. They have been getting more modern obviously but I believe that they still have a few old studios still set up. also have a couple of friends that I believe still have theirs. I can enquire if you like.

 

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  posted on 3/16/2008 at 10:24 PM
What about Capt Skipper? Not sure about his setup but maybe.

 

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  posted on 3/17/2008 at 02:52 AM
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I guess another question: Are there high end NEW source of reel to reel, like the audiophile vinyl stuff?

Yes - tape is alive! In fact, there's a group working hard to bring tape back to those who appreciate (and are willing to pay for) quality.

http://www.tapeproject.com/

You're really jumping in the deep end of audiophile illness here, but if you want the best, this is it. Many reports from various shows over the past year or two say the same thing: systems that demoed with one of The Tape Project's sources sounded amazing.

So, if you have many extra thousands lying around, begging to be spent on equipment and media, you too can be one of the select few to enjoy the best.

[Edited on 3/17/2008 by Fujirich]

 

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  posted on 3/17/2008 at 05:39 AM
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What about Capt Skipper? Not sure about his setup but maybe.


I checked with Skip, he's booked up for awhile.

I may bite the bullet and go to the studio and pay the $$$

 

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  posted on 3/17/2008 at 05:55 AM
I go to various audio sites on the web, and there is almost no interest in reel to reel. Matter of fact, even audio tape for professional studios that still make recordings in an analog domain are increasing hard for them to find. Also, almost no one makes reel to reel decks anymore, and hasn't for quite some time, and those that do own reel to reel decks not only have difficulty in both finding someone able to service the decks, but also finding replacement parts for their decks when needed.

Have to say the people that Fujich mentions are way to the outside of the "hi end" mainstream and thus there's little chance that it'll filter down to the "consumer" level.

Btw, back in the '70s had a Sony Reel to Reel and used to record many King Biscuit Hour concerts.

 
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  posted on 3/17/2008 at 06:12 AM
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What about Capt Skipper? Not sure about his setup but maybe.


I checked with Skip, he's booked up for awhile.

I may bite the bullet and go to the studio and pay the $$$


What is the price range that they quotes you if you don't mind me asking?

 

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  posted on 3/17/2008 at 09:58 AM
I use to love Reel to Reel, I still have my Teac X10R . Its a 12 inch R2R, I had a couple ABB releases on R2R. You can gets hours of music on that thing. The last time I got it out, it needed some new belts.

[Edited on 3/17/2008 by rottinpeach]


I had to search to see exactly what model I did have. Its been so long since I have had it out. Very good shape except for the belts. This is like the model I have. This one is not mind......

http://cgi.ebay.com/TEAC-X-10R-REEL-TO-REEL-STEREO-TAPE-DECK-PRO-10-MINT_W0 QQitemZ280209450519QQihZ018QQcategoryZ67814QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVie wItem#ebayphotohosting

[Edited on 3/17/2008 by rottinpeach]

 

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  posted on 3/17/2008 at 10:04 AM
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I assume the early albums, maybe up to Brothers and Sisters were available on pre-recorded reel to reel. Are there any reel to reel freaks on board? Are these hard to find? Since any bootleg aspect is long historic..... Where any vintage bootlegs put out in the old days on reel to reel, you know like the old vinyl ones, with printed covers and such.......

I do know there was more done on reel to reel in the old days than most realize..... I used to have All Things Must Pass on reel to reel.....


Yes, I've seen some. I've seen Fillmore and a couple other ones. They have got to be really hard to find. They're really neat though. I had a reel-to-reel pretty much most of my life until about 96.

 

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  posted on 3/17/2008 at 10:04 AM
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I guess another question: Are there high end NEW source of reel to reel, like the audiophile vinyl stuff?


You can get blank tape, but I doubt you'll get anything more than that.

 

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I stil have a reel of 1/4" that i got from a friend of mine who was part of the ticketing agency for Alice Cooper, Uriah heep, Yes. She talked about hanging with ABB back in the early 70's...I've got to find some way to spin that reel.


I am sure that there is a studio in your area that could do a transfer for you. Probably would not charge much either. If not, I could very likely get it done for you except the cost of mailing it is probably more than the transfer itself.

Do you know what is on it?


He went to a guy in our area... the price was pretty high actually..


I'll do it for free... 1/4" tape. I have the machine & the tools to do the transfer.

 

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http://www.reeldealpa.com/shop/

 

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http://search.ebay.com/Reel+To+Reel+Music

 

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I stil have a reel of 1/4" that i got from a friend of mine who was part of the ticketing agency for Alice Cooper, Uriah heep, Yes. She talked about hanging with ABB back in the early 70's...I've got to find some way to spin that reel.


I am sure that there is a studio in your area that could do a transfer for you. Probably would not charge much either. If not, I could very likely get it done for you except the cost of mailing it is probably more than the transfer itself.

Do you know what is on it?


He went to a guy in our area... the price was pretty high actually..


I'll do it for free... 1/4" tape. I have the machine & the tools to do the transfer.


And this is why I think this site is awesome. I knew there had to be someone on here who had the right stuff.

 

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