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  posted on 3/11/2008 at 11:53 AM
I started a new bus route about a month ago. I met a sixth grader named Philip. The kid says his dad knows Johnny Van Zant and perhaps the guitarist of the Van Zant band. I've been telling this kid that Johnny Van Zant only scratches the surface of the talent of the Van Zant brothers, but Philip seems convinced that Johnny is some special talent. To the kid's credit I conceded to him this AM that Johnny probably has been much less of a doper, unlike many of the original members. I've conceded that Johnny had a decent voice around 1987 and 1988 and well into around 1992. After that I KNOW something happened to Johnny's voice. I heard he ran his voice into the ground and that he used to drink also.


Anyway, the kid brought a Van Zant cd and Johnny's Brick Yard Road cd from 1990 today. I reassured him that Johnny is and NEVER will be able to touch Skynyrd. I burned the following cdrs for him. He supplied the media. I burned the shows and printed him some art/inserts and backs. I'm gonna set him straight about Skynyrd and some music that came out of Jacksonville. I sure hope I don't lose this argument. But some people love to revere the LIVING over the dead. As for me I'll always REVERE Ronnie and the gang. Johnny ain't much to me, bad singer, weak onstage, nepotism, lil'brotherism, bad song writer.


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The kid barely thanked me after I burned the cdrs. He thought liittle to nothing that he got all of this music for FREE and didn't have to pay for it. I guess that's where kids are coming from these days.




He said he played the FREE cd yesterday. I told him "Great Band!"




 

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  posted on 3/11/2008 at 12:03 PM
Have to agree that the original Skynyrd was the real deal. I saw them on the One More From The Road Tour - blew me away. (OK I was probably already a little blown away, it WAS the mid-seventies.)

 

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  posted on 3/12/2008 at 01:06 AM
Even if he thinks Johnny is the greatest then good for him. It could be worse. He could be listening to rap.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2008 at 06:24 AM
I don't see a damn thing wrong with Johnny, so he carried on his Brothers band....whats the big deal. Maybe Ronnie would have wanted him too. I think Johnny's voice is just as good, if not better than Ronnie's on some songs.

Why don't you let the kid have his own opinion..........

Ronnie's dead, and his Brother carried own for him. I don't see anything wrong with his voice now either. If Johnny is so bad, they sure do still draw a good crowd.

I get sick of people running Johnny down, I used to go see him before Ronnie died and he was good then.

Of course the original Skynyrd was the real deal, just like the original ABB was the real deal. You only get one real deal. As great as the ABB are now..they are no longer the real deal. The real deal died with Duane and Berry.

Just cause you have a problem with Johnny, Dean. It does not mean everyone has to.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2008 at 06:28 AM
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lil'brotherism,


Lil Brotherism ?

What the f*ck does that mean.......is that something to be ashamed of ?


Does that mean that anyone that is a little brother is less of a person than the older Brother..LOL !

 

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  posted on 3/12/2008 at 07:20 AM
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lil'brotherism,


Lil Brotherism ?

What the f*ck does that mean.......is that something to be ashamed of ?


Does that mean that anyone that is a little brother is less of a person than the older Brother..LOL !


How does that work in the bush family?

 

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  posted on 3/12/2008 at 11:25 AM
ODR, Johnny can't sing or write good songs. Skynyrd is Sooooooooo over. My argument has always been that Skynyrd saved Johnny from having to make a real living. I respect the Van Zant records, the Donnie/Johnny stuff, a whole lot more than any skynyrd project since the tribute tour concluded. I'll just never be overly impressed with Johnny. I think he is more of a spectator than a leader. He is definitely not an inspirational band leader, and Skynyrd hasn't been much of a TEAM concept since the plane crash.

Ed King was quoted in the Marley Brant book as saying that Johnny is vocally LAZY. I agree with that and I'd say further that now his voice sounds horrible. He used to TRY to sing, or at least he once COULD sing, but jeez, I think he should retire.


ODR, we can agree not to agree, or whatever it is that folks say.


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  posted on 3/12/2008 at 11:54 AM
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Even if he thinks Johnny is the greatest then good for him. It could be worse. He could be listening to rap.
Good point, and like you I don't bother to call that stuff "hip-hop".

 

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  posted on 3/12/2008 at 11:58 AM
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ODR, Johnny can't sing or write good songs. Skynyrd is Sooooooooo over. My argument has always been that Skynyrd saved Johnny from having to make a real living. I respect the Van Zant records, the Donnie/Johnny stuff, a whole lot more than any skynyrd project since the tribute tour concluded. I'll just never be overly impressed with Johnny. I think he is more of a spectator than a leader. He is definitely not an inspirational band leader, and Skynyrd hasn't been much of a TEAM concept since the plane crash.

Ed King was quoted in the Marley Brant book as saying that Johnny is vocally LAZY. I agree with that and I'd say further that now his voice sounds horrible. He used to TRY to sing, or at least he once COULD sing, but jeez, I think he should retire.


ODR, we can agree not to agree, or whatever it is that folks say.


So, Peace Out my Funk Soul Brutha!




No problem Dean, but Johnny and the band still draws a good crowd. I have purchased every CD that the band has did with Johnny. I still play them all. I say Johnny is every bit as good as Ronnie when it comes to writing songs. Plus fans expect Johnny to write in the vein of the words that Ronnie wrote.

As far as Ed King..his big ass could not even handle touring half the time, I know he got sick, maybe it had to do with his weight problem. I could care less what Ed thinks of Johnny. Ed's to busy crying sour grapes. He was out of the original band before the plane crashed.

And to be honest, Ronnie was not that damn good as a live singer. He was much more of a studio singer and song writer. I have heard many shows where Ronnie sounded off key.

I love Ronnie, but i'm not gonna dis Johnny because he tried to carry on the band. Which the other members had a right to do. Just like the ABB did after Duane and Berry died. Look how bad they got during the Arista years...Mike Lawler on Keytar...effin pathetic.

I know the current Skynyrd is a cash cow, but people have to make a living the best they can. I respect Gary, Leon and Billy for wanting to go on. And there is no one better to take over for Ronnie..than Johnny...Donnie's voice was nothing like Ronnie's.

Ronnie would be damn proud of his Brother.

I'm willing to bet that half of the folks that trash the current band have not taken to the time to listen their music. I'm talking about one quick play with the attitude they suck and then going this is crap.

I could give a damn less what most folks think of the current band, but if i'm around i'm gonna take up for them. Cause i'm a real Skynyrd fan, with or without Ronnie.

Johnny has a good stage present..he can work a crowd. These guys are much older than Ronnie and the Gang was back then. I imagine the energy is not the same as when the guys were in their 20's.

Like you said...you got your opinion...I got mine.

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Way to go my friend !

Johnny's just a good ole boy, like his brothers. Trying to make the most he can out of what he's got.

No one could ever make me believe that Ronnie would be ashamed of what Johnny has done. I would even say the Johnny has went out of the way to try and keep the original sound as opposed to his own.I could easily hear Ronnie singing some of Johnny's songs.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2008 at 12:46 PM

Here's Johnny without any stage presence or the abiliy to sing:


Lynyrd Skynyrd - "Simple Man"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHQ_aTjXObs

I effin' love it !

 

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  posted on 3/12/2008 at 12:49 PM
When I saw LS, Johnny was fine. It was Gary who was having a rough night.

I worked at a few Sabbath shows where Johnny's band was the openers. This was before he was ever in LS and I really enjoyed the shows and thought he kicked ass. But I have always been a sucker for the Southern rock thing.

 

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Speaking of "Simple Man"

Here's a great cover by Shinedown:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2l8O1JUrRo&feature=related

 

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have purchased every CD that the band has did with Johnny. I still play them all. I say Johnny is every bit as good as Ronnie when it comes to writing songs.


Now this is just CRAZY talk. Johnny's writing is weaker than his voice and that's not very strong either. That Red, white and blue song is CRAPOLA. RVZ was a hell of a songwriter.

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I respect Gary, Leon and Billy for wanting to go on.


Leon is dead.

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As far as Ed King..his big ass could not even handle touring half the time, I know he got sick, maybe it had to do with his weight problem. I could care less what Ed thinks of Johnny. Ed's to busy crying sour grapes. He was out of the original band before the plane crashed.



Please don't trash talk Ed King. Any considerate Skynyrd fan knows that Ed was a vital part of the early music writing in the band. Sweet Home Alabama, though overplayed throughout the years, is one of the greatest, and enduring, rock n roll songs to come out of the 1970s. Without Ed's intro, changes, and solo, that song would have been worthless.
Ed was the best part of the 1987-1994 era of the band. His musical input helped to give legitimacy to a couple of albums of good material. He left the band with a bad heart, being told he would have a job awaiting when he recovered. Instead, he was replaced by Rickey Medlocke, who is a total STOOGE! Have you been to a Skynyrd show mid90s-present?? He nightly butchers some great songs as he does a pathetic visual impersonation of the great Allen Collins.

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I'm willing to bet that half of the folks that trash the current band have not taken to the time to listen their music. I'm talking about one quick play with the attitude they suck and then going this is crap.



I've seen the reincarnated Skynyrd a dozen times since 1993. The Ed King years in the 90s were were still very solid. He was replaced, Leon died. The band has gone straight down the sh!tter. The last studio album I purchased was "20" and I couldn't believe how bad it was.

Not trying to attack anyone, just giving my long-winded, subjective (but Skynyrd-educated) opinion. And, getting back to the beginning of this thread, I'm certainly not backing up JaminReb for trying to dis a 12 year old kid's taste in music. He's in 6th grade. Lord knows I listened to some total crap when I was 12. Hopefully he'll find his was to good music. Its not something you can push on a kid.



 

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  posted on 3/12/2008 at 01:10 PM
Hey Dirt,
I SWEAR I'm not trying to pick on you, but the Shinedown version of Simple Man makes me sad, sick to my stomach, and angry all at the same time.
Different strokes...

 

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  posted on 3/12/2008 at 01:13 PM
I really like genuine Lynyrd Skynyrd . I even dug the '87 tribute album , I was 16 when it came out , and I played that thing to death . Yes , Ed King was gone before the plane crash , but I think the '87 tour would have been pretty sorry without him . Who was that Randall guy they brought in for that run ? Very forgettable . I think King played on at least one "Skynyrd" album in the early 90's , so I can't give him a pass . That stuff was just plain awful !!! Good Lovin' , Brickyard Road , Last Rebel , and Smokestack Lightnin' .... how could they sleep at night ? I would suppose that junk made those guys a lot of money . Although they made clowns of themselves in the process , and may have given some validity to their critics who considered them to be a band who made music for dim-witted people .

You can cite Mike Lawler's keytar , as horrible as the idea may sound all you want . However , I think maybe it was just something the ABB let him try . Give them a break , It was the 80's ! Gregg Allman only made 1 album with Cher . He probably knew it was a mistake . He didn't try to make it work again . That's where I fault this incarnation of Lynyrd Skynyrd ( my fingers would barely type those words ) they keep on making more really bad music just have a listen to Red White and Blue , it's CORNY .

I don't think Gary Rossington could hang with King at any point in his career . He seems to be the force behind the band's move toward the flag wavin' type crap that Charlie Daniels compromised his musical style with . Allen Collins and Steve Gaines ? That's another story entirely . Those 2 guys are in my opionion some of the most underrated musicians in modern music .

Getting back to the point , Johnny Van Zant is just an on-stage cheerleader . You know , the Stars and Bars bandana on the mike stand . How can expect anyone to take him seriosly as an artist ?

[Edited on 3/12/2008 by squabs217]

[Edited on 3/12/2008 by squabs217]

 

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Speaking of "Simple Man"

Here's a great cover by Shinedown:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2l8O1JUrRo&feature=related


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I sure hope I don't lose this argument.


i sure hope it doesn't really matter to you much.

afterall, the kid is 12!


GOOD CALL on the Blackfoot Strikes though!
a guy at work that went to Robert E. Lee HS burned that for me a few weeks back and i just love it. He tells storys about that Principal too....

 

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  posted on 3/12/2008 at 01:40 PM
Johnny Van Zandt.."Is carrying on his Brothers legacy"...what a load of crap. Johnny is riding what is left of the Lynyrd/Ronnie gravy train. If it's about the music and not the Money..why not follow Allen Collins' lead and form a Band under a different name? Why not try to showcase your own music instead of butchering classic songs with no name fill-ins on guitar? Maybe for it's encore, what is left of this once great band can go on tour with Kid Rock. They can come out and play the Intro to "Free Bird", about two minutes of "Simple Man" and close it out with a real crowd pleasing "Sweet Home Alabama" and all of you fans that think Johnny can still sing can shout out your support for him "Because it's a sweet gig and he/they are getting a good payday".....

 

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Speaking of "Simple Man"

Here's a great cover by Shinedown:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2l8O1JUrRo&feature=related


Come on OldDirt , are you serious ?


Hell yeah I'm serious...when did someone else start telling me what to like and what not to like.

I call my own shots. I did not say you had to like it.

 

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Johnny Van Zandt.."Is carrying on his Brothers legacy"...what a load of crap. Johnny is riding what is left of the Lynyrd/Ronnie gravy train. If it's about the music and not the Money..why not follow Allen Collins' lead and form a Band under a different name? Why not try to showcase your own music instead of butchering classic songs with no name fill-ins on guitar? Maybe for it's encore, what is left of this once great band can go on tour with Kid Rock. They can come out and play the Intro to "Free Bird", about two minutes of "Simple Man" and close it out with a real crowd pleasing "Sweet Home Alabama" and all of you fans that think Johnny can still sing can shout out your support for him "Because it's a sweet gig and he/they are getting a good payday".....


I think you don't have a clue my friend. Have you got any proof to back that up.

And your saying that Rickey Medlock and Hughie Thomason are no name fill in's...I think that shows right there that you don't know what the hell your talking about. I have seen the current band 4 times...never saw a two minute version of "Simple Man"...every time they played "Freebird" it was as long as the other versions..with the lead guitar break.

If your gonna make up stuff, at least be a little creative instead of spewing out horsesh*t.

As long as Gary Rossington and Billy Powell are in the band...they lost Leon not to long ago..they had as many original members as the ABB do now. The current band has at least 6 studio albums out...I have them all and I like them all.

They still draw a damn good crowd, even without you and I in the audience.

Just be honest and say your a Johnny VanZant "Hater" and leave it at that. No one has to like em...but I do...and I'll sit here and argue with you folks until i'm blue in the face.

 

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I really like genuine Lynyrd Skynyrd . I even dug the '87 tribute album , I was 16 when it came out , and I played that thing to death . Yes , Ed King was gone before the plane crash , but I think the '87 tour would have been pretty sorry without him . Who was that Randall guy they brought in for that run ? Very forgettable . I think King played on at least one "Skynyrd" album in the early 90's , so I can't give him a pass . That stuff was just plain awful !!! Good Lovin' , Brickyard Road , Last Rebel , and Smokestack Lightnin' .... how could they sleep at night ? I would suppose that junk made those guys a lot of money . Although they made clowns of themselves in the process , and may have given some validity to their critics who considered them to be a band who made music for dim-witted people .

You can cite Mike Lawler's keytar , as horrible as the idea may sound all you want . However , I think maybe it was just something the ABB let him try . Give them a break , It was the 80's ! Gregg Allman only made 1 album with Cher . He probably knew it was a mistake . He didn't try to make it work again . That's where I fault this incarnation of Lynyrd Skynyrd ( my fingers would barely type those words ) they keep on making more really bad music just have a listen to Red White and Blue , it's CORNY .

I don't think Gary Rossington could hang with King at any point in his career . He seems to be the force behind the band's move toward the flag wavin' type crap that Charlie Daniels compromised his musical style with . Allen Collins and Steve Gaines ? That's another story entirely . Those 2 guys are in my opionion some of the most underrated musicians in modern music .

Getting back to the point , Johnny Van Zant is just an on-stage cheerleader . You know , the Stars and Bars bandana on the mike stand . How can expect anyone to take him seriosly as an artist ?

[Edited on 3/12/2008 by squabs217]

[Edited on 3/12/2008 by squabs217]



I take him serious...I'm a good ole boy and I take all that redneck sh*t serious...and that Mike Lawler crap was ridiculous and a slap in the face to the great music Duane and Berry were part of. What the hell does "it was the 80's" have to do with it. Thats no excuse, "Oh yeah man it was the 80's, I forgot..no one did good music in the 80's...lets give em a pass".

The stuff that the current Skynyrd put out was much better than those 2 pathetic releases.

It was Johnny's effin' Brother, if it was good enough for Gary, Billy and Leon it's good enough for me.

And as for Allen...if he were still alive and able to play..I'm sure he would have been in the band too.

I don't guess Gary gets a pass for being in a horrific plane crash either.

As longs as their records sell and they draw a good crowd...it's does not matter what the "Haters" think.



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  posted on 3/12/2008 at 03:44 PM
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Hey Dirt,
I SWEAR I'm not trying to pick on you, but the Shinedown version of Simple Man makes me sad, sick to my stomach, and angry all at the same time.
Different strokes...


Hey my friend..your not picking on me...cause I won't let you.

Am I not allowed to say that I like something just because you don't.

I have my own taste in music, I don't go with the flow or like what everybody else likes just to be cool. If you folks want to dis me because I like the current Skynyrd..than have a good time while your doing it...I hope it makes you feel good.

If the Shinedown version makes you sad and angry then thats your feelings. It makes me feel good and Happy. So it's two folks with different feelings. I can dig that. I happen to like Shinedown.

I did not say Mule 75 thinks this is a great cover...I said I did. I think the crowd got off on it pretty good too.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2008 at 03:46 PM
i'm going to see them in june .i've seen the original skynyrd 10 times and the band after the crash 20 + times.

 

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