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  posted on 3/11/2008 at 11:26 AM
Did anyone watch this sh!t last night? It was cool to see the Ventures play! and Mellencamp too!, but inducting Leonard Cohen?? Madonna???? there is nothing rocknroll about either of them. and madonnas boring self serving speech turned it into a "ME" fest. the wench didnt even perform! I guess they dont allow lip synching there, because she sure cant cut it live. and it was sad to see the 3 survivors of the dc5. not to the assbuckets at the hall: induct some true rocknrollers while they are still alive, Leon Russell, Delaney and Bonnie, Bad Co., Marshall Tucker Band, I could name a few more!.
 
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  posted on 3/11/2008 at 11:30 AM
Yes - I saw it too! Have not been able to get over the whole Madonna thing since I heard they were inducting her. Gag! When has she ever done anything but pop? There is nothing remotely resembling Rock N Roll in her repertoire. As you mentioned, there are many greats that have not been inducted. I certainly agree with your selections. It was really a sad commentary on the state of music - Billy Joel made some comments to that effect.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2008 at 11:37 AM
Because I like the place and appreciate what they are doing, I cut and re-paste my first response to the many many threads on this topic. ..... here goes.....

I find it very incongruous that the open minded people here are so closed minded about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Each time this topic resurfaces I’m always surprised by some of the responses.

It not just about the inductees. The RNRHOF is a non-profit organization, which, IMHO, does a fantastic job of archiving, preserving, displaying, and educating. Not only does this beautiful building house an incredible array of musical history, but it offers a multitude of outreach and school programs to get kids and communities interested in music.

The theme I hear over and over in the postings is that if a performer doesn’t fit exactly into someone’s definition of Rock and Roll, then they shouldn’t be inducted. What I don’t hear is anyone ready to kick out Bob Dylan or Woody Guthrie – aren’t they considered ‘folk’? But Madonna – she’s got to go because she’s ‘pop’. Well Elvis is there too. He’s considered RnR, but I disagree with that, I’d call him ‘pop’ – music for the masses.

If there was one thing that I thought we all agreed on, it’s that music is subjective. Some of my favorite performers didn’t make it either, but I still contend the RNRHOF does a good job of trying to represent the body of RnR, in general.

It’s your money and time, but I think anyone who chooses to ‘boycott’ the place is missing out on an incredible opportunity. The music presented and exhibits displayed are really something. For me, the best part was the costumes, oh and I also thought the ginormous “Moby” and “Gwen” signs from the Southside video were way cool, too. Hmmmm….maybe I’m going pop!

 

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  posted on 3/11/2008 at 11:46 AM
I never said I would boycott the RNRHOF. I do take issue with Madonna, regardless of whether anyone thinks that makes me close minded or not. You mention Elvis, Dylan and Woody Guthrie as being members who are not strictly rock. This is true, but they definitely had an effect on rock n roll. As far as I can tell, Madonna only had an effect on teenagers and pop music. I don't see how rock n roll was affected by her, except maybe that it became less popular because of her. I really do try to keep an open mind. Prince has been inducted. I don't care for his music, but it doesn't mean he isn't talented. I didn't say Madonna has no talent, I just say she is has no relationship to rock 'n' roll as I see it. I stand by my opinion.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2008 at 11:52 AM
danncingrhonda makes a nice point and a good post. IMHO Rock n Roll is just a term for modern music much like jazz is now. Cohen has had a huge affect many musicians that are listened to here while Maddonna no matter what your opinion of her can do the best dance rock ever. Rock is all about roots of music- therefore many will qualify.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2008 at 11:53 AM
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Because I like the place and appreciate what they are doing, I cut and re-paste my first response to the many many threads on this topic. ..... here goes.....

I find it very incongruous that the open minded people here are so closed minded about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Each time this topic resurfaces I’m always surprised by some of the responses.

It not just about the inductees. The RNRHOF is a non-profit organization, which, IMHO, does a fantastic job of archiving, preserving, displaying, and educating. Not only does this beautiful building house an incredible array of musical history, but it offers a multitude of outreach and school programs to get kids and communities interested in music.

The theme I hear over and over in the postings is that if a performer doesn’t fit exactly into someone’s definition of Rock and Roll, then they shouldn’t be inducted. What I don’t hear is anyone ready to kick out Bob Dylan or Woody Guthrie – aren’t they considered ‘folk’? But Madonna – she’s got to go because she’s ‘pop’. Well Elvis is there too. He’s considered RnR, but I disagree with that, I’d call him ‘pop’ – music for the masses.

If there was one thing that I thought we all agreed on, it’s that music is subjective. Some of my favorite performers didn’t make it either, but I still contend the RNRHOF does a good job of trying to represent the body of RnR, in general.

It’s your money and time, but I think anyone who chooses to ‘boycott’ the place is missing out on an incredible opportunity. The music presented and exhibits displayed are really something. For me, the best part was the costumes, oh and I also thought the ginormous “Moby” and “Gwen” signs from the Southside video were way cool, too. Hmmmm….maybe I’m going pop!


Elvis is one of the original rock n rollers. Guthrie and Dylan influenced the Beatles, byrds, and a host of other ROCK bands. what evolved from madonna... brittany spears???. Im not boycotting the place, I just thought the show I saw last night sucked.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2008 at 04:00 PM
What's wrong with inducting Madonna? Her body of work certainly justifies the induction.
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  posted on 3/11/2008 at 04:53 PM
I thought the whole thing was pretty lame...Had i been there,I think I'd of thrown a bottle at Billy Joel..Jesus,he talked forever...The only part i enjoyed was Dave Clark's acceptance speech...pretty heart felt & sincere.....very well done by Dave,IMO....

 

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  posted on 3/11/2008 at 04:56 PM
Leonard Cohen is just superb ! One of my favorites. But no Tull still makes less than no sense to me.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2008 at 05:18 PM
If spiral a_hole likes it, it must suck.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2008 at 06:27 PM
I guess madonna has "some" talent or is that spiral a. in this vid? http://www.wimp.com/madonna/
 

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  posted on 3/11/2008 at 06:30 PM
Untill bands like Deep Purple, Ten Years After, are in it is and always will be a sham and not in any way a true reflection of Music in the last 50 years...

 

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  posted on 3/11/2008 at 06:54 PM
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How shold or should not be in is subjective. But the more "marginal" bands that you might allow in there (i.e. Marshall Tucker Band) the more it dilutes the honor. It should only be for the best, the most influential, not the pretty good bands. (Flame away!)



Having said that, would someone please tell Iggy Pop that the days where he should sing without a shirt on are way back in his rear view mirror?


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  posted on 3/11/2008 at 06:58 PM

There is a lot of folks I feel should have already been inducted........

But I got no problem with Madonna or Cohen. As a matter of fact I like them both. I own Madonna's "Immaculate Collection" and still play it whenever I feel like hearing a Pop 'slut" with a good voice sing.

The real truth, I could give a sh*t less about the R'n R' Hall of Fame anyway. I have no care to see the treasures within it's walls. I LOVE Baseball, but feel the same way about the people they do or don't induct, although I would like to see the treaures inside.

As long as The Sex Pistols made it...thats all that matters to me...LOL !

 

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  posted on 3/11/2008 at 07:18 PM
Elvis isn't Rock and Roll??? Good Lawdy Miss Clauedy!!! And Madonna is???

I've listened to Elvis and the other original RR singers since the 1950's. They were the first called Rock and Roll.
Elvis is the King of RR. Taking heavy influence from the Blues Masters, gospel singing (those boys went to church), and a little hillbilly thrown in and invented Rock and Roll.

As for Madonna. She is not rock. She has always been pop diva. I guess they don't
have awards for that.

It is not a matter of someone's narrow definition of rock. It is what it is.

I might go to the RRHOF if I am ever in that part of the country. Non-profit
doesn't mean they aren't influenced by big donors. Somebody paid big bucks
to get Madonna in there. I know Madonna is very talented and puts on fantastic
shows, that's what I've heard. They need a Pop HOF. That's what I think about it.

It certainly wasn't music for the masses in the 1950's. A lot of adults hated this music
and complained loudly. Elvis was sent off to the Army in Germany. Then came the big disk
jockey scandals. American Hot Wax shows the 1950's music scene very well.

In the early 60's the music didn't have an edge anymore. Not until the Rolling Stones blasted their way in.

I know some of you are a lot younger than me, but the world didn't start the day you were born.


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  posted on 3/11/2008 at 09:05 PM
I LOVE ELVIS!!!

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  posted on 3/11/2008 at 09:24 PM
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I LOVE ELVIS!!!

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  posted on 3/12/2008 at 09:59 AM
it's a joke. they should just call it THE MUSIC HALL OF FAME. then they can put anybody in they want. what kill's me is
rush
tull
alice cooper
yes
kiss
purple
e.l.p
and a hundred more still wait while MADONNA IS IN

 

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  posted on 3/12/2008 at 10:02 AM
Before you post who is in that you think sucks and who isn't that you think should be...go back and read what dancingrhonda wrote...it is mandatory.
 

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  posted on 3/12/2008 at 10:27 AM
Two points:

1. Keep in mind that "Rock and Roll" is an amalgamous music form that grew out of a variety of other forms and styles. Yeah, it's basic roots are in Delta blues, but along the way many forms of influence and inspiration entered. Reading autobiographies by many of the architects of rock and roll, you'll discover that several forms and styles of music and performers shaped their music.

2. Why Madonna? Believe me, Madonna's music is pretty far from anything that I'm interested in. I don't know whether her induction into the Hall of Fame was based on sales or politics or other criteria, but I recognize her impact. Name off all of those acts that aren't in and you'll likely score points, but Madonna may very well have had more of an impact on culture than many of those acts.

Does Madonna play "rock and roll"? How would you define her style? Is she country and western? No! Is she a jazz vocalist. No! Again, appreciate that rock and roll is an ever-evolving form. Her stuff cannot be found in my CD shelves, my vinyl or on my I-Pod, but I can recognize and appreciate any argument that includes her music in the genre of rock and roll.

 

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Two points:

1. Keep in mind that "Rock and Roll" is an amalgamous music form that grew out of a variety of other forms and styles. Yeah, it's basic roots are in Delta blues, but along the way many forms of influence and inspiration entered. Reading autobiographies by many of the architects of rock and roll, you'll discover that several forms and styles of music and performers shaped their music.

2. Why Madonna? Believe me, Madonna's music is pretty far from anything that I'm interested in. I don't know whether her induction into the Hall of Fame was based on sales or politics or other criteria, but I recognize her impact. Name off all of those acts that aren't in and you'll likely score points, but Madonna may very well have had more of an impact on culture than many of those acts.

Does Madonna play "rock and roll"? How would you define her style? Is she country and western? No! Is she a jazz vocalist. No! Again, appreciate that rock and roll is an ever-evolving form. Her stuff cannot be found in my CD shelves, my vinyl or on my I-Pod, but I can recognize and appreciate any argument that includes her music in the genre of rock and roll.


Thanks Rusty. I didn't have the energy to start this again. People would like to put artists in a category based on whether or not they like them. Madonna's impact on music and culture are huge and anyone denying that just doesn't want to see it. Sales- huge, impact of culture- huge, influence on the industry itself- huge and influence on other artists is again huge. Maybe not Derek Trucks, but there are many singers/artists that have admired and tried to emulate Madonna. People say she isn't rock because they don't like her music. The Hall inducts all sorts of artists from different styles of "rock" music. As mentioned, what would you call her style? Pop? Well that is rock music. Dance? Again refer to the original meaning of R&R and it is all about shaking your butt. Who bounced their butt more than her? And 30 odd years later she is still selling large numbers and can outsell most artists that tour. I don't like her music but I am not blind.

Besides there are many artists such as blues, jazz, folk and other styles that were inducted because of their influence but they are still far from "rock" artists.

Entered as artist and not influence which is its own category.
Etta James
Johnny Cash
John Lee Hooker
Aretha
BB King and the list goes on and on. None of these are "rock" artists but were inducted as such.

OTF nails it. IMO there should only be one-two inductees per year. If every artist enters than what difference is it anyway.

Also just because your favorite artists may not be in the Hall, that doesn't mean that you are not allowed to listen anymore.

There are many deserving artists that are not in but that doesn't take away from their careers or music.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2008 at 11:41 AM
Anyone care to guess who is the only artist to be inducted into BOTH the Rock & Roll HOF and the Country Music HOF?????

 

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  posted on 3/12/2008 at 11:47 AM
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Anyone care to guess who is the only artist to be inducted into BOTH the Rock & Roll HOF and the Country Music HOF?????
Johnny Cash.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2008 at 11:49 AM
It has to be Johnny.

Although Willie should qualify also. He gets stoned with everybody.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2008 at 11:49 AM
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2. Why Madonna? Believe me, Madonna's music is pretty far from anything that I'm interested in. I don't know whether her induction into the Hall of Fame was based on sales or politics or other criteria, but I recognize her impact. Name off all of those acts that aren't in and you'll likely score points, but Madonna may very well have had more of an impact on culture than many of those acts.
Yeah, a negative impact....IMO, of course.

I'm talking culture, not music. I think the term "wannabe" evolved from girls wanting to be, and dress like, Madonna.

 

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