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  posted on 3/3/2008 at 10:49 AM
Was there a time when radio actually played a variety of music. I ask this because I was listening to the local classic rock station doing there block weekend and on Saturday I heard at least 2 blocks of 3 to 4 songs from Def Leppard, Boston and Aerosmith I know they do this because thats what most people want to here but would it be so difficult to play some Prog-Rock Genesis Gabriel era, Pre DSOTM Pink Floyd or a cut of Animals, ELP, Yes non 80s, Grateful Dead, live Allman Brothers, Iron Butterfly, Jefferson Airplane once in a while like a show on at 6:00 am Sunday morning playing this stuff or do we have to sit through another 10 Eagles songs but was there a time that that could of happened. The closest thing I can think of now that isn't satellite radio is Pandora.com were I type in a band and it plays stuff Ive never heard next plus the new rock stations hardly play any new music just a bunch of 90s songs would it hurt to play a new Smashing Pumpkins song once in a while o am I living in a dream world. Also am I the only person that doesn't like the current state of radio

 

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  posted on 3/3/2008 at 11:08 AM
The early days of FM.I sure miss it!

 

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  posted on 3/3/2008 at 11:12 AM
I quit listening to radio years ago....i occasionally listened to satelite radio,but also tired of that....actually when i saw the thread title,i thought this was going to be about the movie "RADIO"...which I did/do love. ....that old flick about radio "FM" was pretty good also.

 

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  posted on 3/3/2008 at 11:23 AM
Back in the seventies was when FM radio was really good. Quite often the DJs themselves would play music THEY thought their listeners would like. and because of that you got to hear quite a variety of music. Not only rock n' roll, but blues, folk, jazz, you name it, if it was good it got played. Not many of those stations left anymore. The station I listen to (online) that still does the "open format" is WNCW.

Actually, here in the DC area. 94.7 "The Globe" does a pretty good job of mixing things up. They used to be your typical "classic rock" station, but nowadays do a mix that is more "classic rock meets adult alternative". It's nice not hearing the same old 50 "rock" songs over and over and over.

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  posted on 3/3/2008 at 11:25 AM
We would all like to program our local classic rock stations with all the goodies that we want to hear. But radio is about making money and not about music. I worked in the industry for years.

The truth is that while some may want to hear some obscure songs, there are more people that don't. Playing some long track will cause many to change the station or begin listening to another all together.

While we all like (most of us anyway) to hear a 40 minute Mountain Jam, there are far more people that would prefer to be shot. Plus it is a little hard to fit the commercials in between marathon songs. Advertising is obviously how they make money so if songs don't fit in the cycle then they don't get played.

That is why I listen to radio very rarely and when I do now it is usually sports talk radio.

 

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  posted on 3/3/2008 at 06:47 PM
radio sux,,,,,,,,'classic' rock is billy joel or phil collins or some other crappy somebody,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i listen to sirius blues on tv,,,,,,,,,,,,,they a station out'n savannah & one out'n dublin that play decent stuff ever once in a while,,,,,,,,,,,most time when im home im listenin to my albums & cds & stuff,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

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  posted on 3/3/2008 at 06:54 PM
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We would all like to program our local classic rock stations with all the goodies that we want to hear. But radio is about making money and not about music. I worked in the industry for years.

The truth is that while some may want to hear some obscure songs, there are more people that don't. Playing some long track will cause many to change the station or begin listening to another all together.

While we all like (most of us anyway) to hear a 40 minute Mountain Jam, there are far more people that would prefer to be shot. Plus it is a little hard to fit the commercials in between marathon songs. Advertising is obviously how they make money so if songs don't fit in the cycle then they don't get played.

That is why I listen to radio very rarely and when I do now it is usually sports talk radio.


I wasn't even thinking Mountain Jam I was thinking more along the lines of 1 way out, blue sky, soul shine, revival, stormy monday

 

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We would all like to program our local classic rock stations with all the goodies that we want to hear. But radio is about making money and not about music. I worked in the industry for years.

The truth is that while some may want to hear some obscure songs, there are more people that don't. Playing some long track will cause many to change the station or begin listening to another all together.

While we all like (most of us anyway) to hear a 40 minute Mountain Jam, there are far more people that would prefer to be shot. Plus it is a little hard to fit the commercials in between marathon songs. Advertising is obviously how they make money so if songs don't fit in the cycle then they don't get played.

That is why I listen to radio very rarely and when I do now it is usually sports talk radio.


I wasn't even thinking Mountain Jam I was thinking more along the lines of 1 way out, blue sky, soul shine, revival, stormy monday


I understood what you meant but you have to bear in mind that even those songs stretch out but most important is whether the average listener knows the songs. I am sure there are some stations that play some of what you mention depending on the music director and what has been played on the station historically. People will say that if they played them then people would know them which has some merit. But the fact is that if ratings drop then people are fired. Would you risk your job to play something that you could listen to on your own time? Plus as larger companies buy up all the stations then there is no option. Many people do not realize that the DJ has no choice of the music he/she plays. They are given a list which is timed for commercials, promos, traffic, weather and the news.

Blue Sky, Revival and Stormy Monday will get the occasional play on the station here but most times it will be Statsboro, Ramblin' Man, Jessica or No One To Run With.

As for some of the other stuff you mentioned like old Floyd, just not enough listeners know them or want to hear them and will switch the dial. It also depends where you are. Prog rock was/is very big up here so we will get Genesis (older), ELP and others but again it will only be certain songs.

Radio also uses sales to determine what people want to hear based on the fact that more people would want to hear those songs. For example, The Eagles Greatest Hits alone has sold more than some of those bands entire catelog.

In truth, this is all changing anyways with computers and satelite radio which can provide things which were out of the question with standard radio.

 

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  posted on 3/3/2008 at 09:00 PM
As a teenager near NYC in the late 60's thru mid 70's, there were plenty of great radio choices. FM's appeal in the early to mid 70's was the low volume of commercials versus music played. DJ's ruled, and played what they wanted to. I can remember listening to WNEW the most, followed by WPLJ.

In those days, WNEW was the center of the NY rock universe, heck - probably THE center of the rock universe, period. It wouldn't be unusual to hear a whole album side played uninterrupted. I remember hearing Tull's Thick As A Brick played in it's entirity. And of course, there was so much more good and diverse music to choose from. Little did we realize we were living in a golden era whose like we would never see again.

Out of a lot of good DJ's on NEW, my favorite (and the favorite of many) was Allison Steele - The Nightbird. Nothing was better for me as a teenager than rolling up a fatty, lighting up, and listening to her start her show.

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“The flutter of wings, the shadow across the moon, the sounds of the night, as the Nightbird spreads her wings and soars, above the earth, into another level of comprehension, where we exist only to feel. Come, fly with me, Alison Steele, the Nightbird, at WNEW-FM, until dawn.”





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How to kill a radio station

Death of WNEW-FM a cautionary tale

Monday, March 3, 2003


NEW YORK (AP) -- For 32 years, it was the place where rock lived.

WNEW-FM once ruled as the nation's premier rock station, boasting an influence that extended far beyond its Manhattan-based signal.

'NEW was rock 'n' roll: John Lennon stopped by to spin records, the Grateful Dead played cards in the studio, and new music from the Rolling Stones to the Ramones to the Replacements was championed.

"Like MTV is now?" says Tom Taylor, editor of the trade publication Inside Radio. "WNEW was that."

The venerable station has gone from free-form to free fall, barely registering an Arbitron rating and dumping its most recent format -- talk -- last month. That decision followed a scandal that threatened the station's license: two shock jocks broadcast a pair of listeners allegedly having sex inside St. Patrick's Cathedral.

The station plans to reincarnate itself, with a new format debuting this spring, said Dana McClintock, spokesman for station owner Infinity Broadcasting Corp. (a part of the media conglomerate Viacom, which also owns CBS, MTV, VH1, UPN, Paramount, Simon & Schuster and other properties).

Shock jocks airing lurid stunts? When WNEW switched to album-oriented rock in 1967, such things didn't exist.

"It's a different station now," says Richard Neer, a disc jockey who spent 28 years at WNEW. "The only unfortunate thing is that it still bears the same call letters. It's like a disreputable pretender using your identity."


'Our audience literally grew up with us'

At the old 'NEW, Arbitron numbers were winked at, and the music meant everything. There was no playlist, and it quickly became THE rock station in the nation's No. 1 market, even as the new format took off at KSAN-FM in San Francisco and WBCN-FM in Boston.

"WNEW was the hip place, where the hip people who were into music went," says Pat St. John, a DJ at rival WPLJ -- until he joined 'NEW in 1987. "The best thing that ever happened to me," he still maintains.

Lennon dropped by one Saturday to chat with DJ Dennis Elsas, play some favorite records and debut his "Walls and Bridges" album. When a still obscure Bruce Springsteen played locally in 1975, WNEW aired one of the breakout shows live (and bootlegs of the concert remain collector's items).

"The new artists and the new music that came through the door daily were unbelievable," recalls Elsas. Bob Dylan, Pete Townshend and George Harrison were among the rock royalty who sat for WNEW interviews.

When Lennon was murdered by a crazed fan on December 8, 1980, many New Yorkers heard the news from DJ Vin Scelsa. The station became the center of the rock community's mourning, playing nothing but Lennon music for the next 24 hours, interspersed with calls from grieving listeners.

Neer remembers it as the most important day in station history.

WNEW thrived through most of the '80s, its family of loyal listeners tuning in even as free-form faded away and playlists began. The station and the listeners shared a bond forged over two decades.

"Our audience literally grew up with us," says Elsas, who joined the station right out of college in 1971. "The music and the air personalities really did reflect a whole spirit of that generation."

But near the end of the decade, the first discordant notes sounded. Station ownership turned over three times in little more than a year. Formats were tried, tweaked, fine-tuned and forgotten.

Worst of all, the station's storied past was ignored.

"There were consultants, people from outside your own market, hired as 'experts' to tell you what sounded good," says Elsas. "By the mid-'90s, we really started to veer off course."


'Clueless' execs

The problems reached a crescendo on August 9, 1995: the day Jerry Garcia died.

"Everybody turned to 'NEW," St. John recalls. "They came to share the pain of losing Jerry, as they did when John Lennon died."

But instead of a Garcia tribute, WNEW stayed in its format-of-the-moment: a mix of classic and alternative rock. Instead of "Casey Jones" or "Touch of Grey," listeners heard the Smashing Pumpkins.

Neer, who chronicled the station's long run in his book "FM: The Rise and Fall of Rock Radio," cites a parade of misguided program directors.

Many, Neer says, "were clueless as to the station's heritage and obviously were headed in the wrong direction."

On September 13, 1999, WNEW -- under the ownership of Infinity -- dumped music for a so-called hot talk format. Neer, St. John and Elsas were all gone.

Their replacements included shock jocks Opie and Anthony, who were fired after instigating the St. Patrick's stunt. "The place where rock lives" -- the station's longtime motto -- became the place where anything goes, as WNEW alumni cringed.

"We really wished they would have changed the call letters," St. John said. "People grew up with and loved that station. It was never a station of smut ... It treated listeners with respect."

Since Opie and Anthony were cashiered, the station had no star personalities, and Infinity pulled the plug on January 26. The last Arbitron rating for the station was 0.7 -- a blip on the New York radio radar screen.

While in format limbo, the station plays Top 40 music by Nelly and Mariah Carey. One hour is devoted to playing the audio of David Letterman's "Late Show."

The station's vets all landed new gigs: Neer on sports radio, St. John on an oldies station, Elsas at a public radio station. All wonder about the future of their old home, but none dwell too long.

"Let's celebrate WNEW for what it was," says Elsas. "I love my past, I'm proud of what I did on the radio, but that was then. I live in a new world."


http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/03/wkd.wnew.woes.ap/

 

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  posted on 3/4/2008 at 07:34 AM

Never listen to radio anymore. I hate that I don't because I have lost touch with new music. I like a lot of the new bands when I do hear them. Especially those bands that sound like Pear Jam, Creed, Stone Temple Pilots, Staind...etc. I like that sound.

I used to say I would never lose touch with the new music scene. I play mostly 70's stuff...the stuff that DOES NOT get played on classic rock stations.

Although I got my Napster back, so I do discover new(to me) music on there. Bands like Seether, Devil Driver...etc.

 

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Never listen to radio anymore. I hate that I don't because I have lost touch with new music. I like a lot of the new bands when I do hear them. Especially those bands that sound like Pear Jam, Creed, Stone Temple Pilots, Staind...etc. I like that sound.

I used to say I would never lose touch with the new music scene. I play mostly 70's stuff...the stuff that DOES NOT get played on classic rock stations.

Although I got my Napster back, so I do discover new(to me) music on there. Bands like Seether, Devil Driver...etc.


Captian Beyond? Bands like that from the 70s

 

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  posted on 3/4/2008 at 08:29 AM
Captain Beyond..one of the best bands ever !!!!!!!

 

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  posted on 3/4/2008 at 09:00 AM
Yeah, I'll have to echo the sentiments above. The FM radio in the seventies was great. I grew up listening to WBCN in Boston, WBRU in Providence, and the local college radio staion. Incredible programming, and interesting DJ's.

The only thing that I find even remotely comes close nowadays is what you can find on the internet.

 

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  posted on 3/4/2008 at 09:12 AM
I posted a thread earlier in the year about a radio station here in Boston. (WZLX) Carter Allen has a Sunday Morning Blues show. AMAZING. Now you do not have to tune in exactly on Sunday. The thread link will bring you to other links of past SMB shows. Enjoy!


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  posted on 3/4/2008 at 09:34 AM
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Captian Beyond? Bands like that from the 70s


Yes like that.

Captain Beyond, Manfred Manns' Earthband,Sensational Alex Harvey Band, Spooky Tooth, Savoy Brown, etc..and stuff from classic radio bands that never made it to classic radio.

It's not the music I dislike on the radio...it's the damn DeeJays..talking silly and filthy all the time.

If I want silly and filthy..I'll watch "Family Guy" or "American Dad"..I don't want it on my radio every 5 minutes.

Also , we have no stations that play 50's and 60's music here in Atlanta anymore. I enjoyed that better than the other stations. I miss Randy and Spiff..LOL !

 

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  posted on 3/4/2008 at 09:39 AM
I haven't listened to much radio for years until recently when my fave local station from the 70's came back. They operate out of a suite in a local hotel ( - very casual), no commercials (yeah!), and play a variety of great music - special jazz programming, blues, rock (read - no heavy metal), a friend of mine does a women who rock series, have frequent guest artists (Kim Wilson was just in last week and did some jamming in the studio before his gig in a local blues club). This kind of radio I can deal with. I also like listening to classical on public radio.

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  posted on 3/4/2008 at 09:45 AM
Deb - What about J Hawke Radio ?

 

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Deb - What about J Hawke Radio ?
Well - that goes without saying!!! The very best programming!

 

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  posted on 3/4/2008 at 10:03 AM
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  posted on 3/4/2008 at 10:09 AM
Radio, like television use to be for entertainment. Now its only for commercials. I love it when a station like AMC shows a movie commercial free. I will watch that. Plus Radio can run a hit song in to the ground. Ever tried to listen to a Country station. Same 5-6 songs over and over and over. Of course AM radio did the same thing to early Rock and Roll songs. If you got commercials on the radio, I don't listen. Funny how a movie that runs less than 2 hours will be scheduled on a channel from 8pm to 11pm..............Damn Commercials.

 

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