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  posted on 2/27/2008 at 12:28 AM
This show was Fun with a capital “F”

One of the best shows I’ve ever been to.

To me, EC is at his best when he is out of his box, and tonight was about as out of his box as I’ve seen him (and I’ve seen him about 30 times).

EC was loose and on fire from the start; and was the only guitarist half the time.

Strutting all over the stage.

Even on standards like Cocaine, Forever Man, and Double Trouble he seemed to bring something new.

And watching him on Voodoo Child, Had to Cry Today, Changes, and Pearly Queen was a treat.

Did I mention Voodoo Child?

Yikes! On Voodoo Child he stayed true to EC but also laid down some Jimi tributes. Really great. And SW rounded it out.

SW was great. I’ve only seen him once, and that was abut 20 years ago, so I don’t know how this compares to his standard. But his vocals were great, his keys great, and his guitar competent.

SW took most of the vocals, even on some EC songs. (EC voice sounded kind of rough in a few spots but not bad overall.)

A highlight for me was the SW solo version of Georgia. Just beautiful…SW on Hammond B3. Maybe Gregg should try it.

Definitely a Jimi nod throughout the show with Changes, Little Wing and of course Voodoo Child.

They mixed it up just a little from night 1, adding Cocaine before the encore, and having Mr. Fantasy as the encore and final song (omitting that tired slow version of Crossroads that we’ve been hearing for a while now).

The only song that dragged a bit for me was Tell the Truth---it seemed so sparse without Derek’s slide work.

The sound was pretty good most of the time, but sometimes got muddy, especially when Chris Stanton was turned up. (I was on the floor section 3 Row U.)

Show ran from 8:20-10:40.

House lights were kind of bright most of the night, which I liked, because I could see the band better.

Security was lax.

If you are in the floor sections 1-4, bring your Ticketmaster printout, as they want you to have that in order to get on line at the will call window.


 
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  posted on 2/27/2008 at 02:00 AM
I liked the show tonight but I can't say I was blown away. I was quite underwhelmed by the first four - six songs as they seemed stuck in a mid tempo groove until Clapton did a soul shredding blues songs that I loved, don't know the name of it (After seeing the set list I think it was Them Changes written by Buddy Miles). Then Clapton played a "tear my heart why doncha" song that did make me go wow. Clapton probably had some trouble with his voice and I found myself yearning for it instead of Winwood who sang most of (or certainly lead for most of) the songs tonight. While he has a distinctive, easy to listen to vocal style, with the consistently sluggish 4/4 tempo beat the first 1/3rd of the show, I started to get antsy listening to his higher range.

For Glad and after things picked up, but I can't say the show ever really soared until Voodoo Child. before that though there was a good rendition of a slow acoustic number by Clapton and the underwhelming rendition of Georgia which brought me to a bathroom break. I think the song needs a more varied, complex voice.

I loved Little Wing (with both singing) and think it is one of the top 10 love songs ever written in rock and I also enjoyed another "dirty" blues type song that Clapton did. I wasn't thrilled to hear After Midnight or Cocaine two of the more commercial songs in his general repertoire, and especially since I heard them last year at the Eric and Derek show.

Maybe part of the reason I can't recall the names of a few songs I did know, was because the sound was very muddy where I was (it really should not matter where you are in a venue, the sound should be decent through out unless there is a speaker gap). It wasn't mixed well at all. I heard an over powering of the basic sound coming from the 2 keyboards whereas the guitar sounds were the instruments that were mostly clear and distinct. It was hard to hear the bass player with any clarity and his work sort of melded into the keyboard work (save for when Winwood was playing the piano and in the higher ranges on the B3). They dialed the sound in a little better after the acoustic numbers but still, there was a lot of bleeding between instruments.

I did enjoy a few numbers by Winwood, especially Can't Find My Home which is a "wow" song for me, though again, the sound was nowhere near as pristine as the original commercial recording. And Dear Mr Fantasy was pretty cool to hear him do live, though I missed out on hearing Empty Pages, a Winwood (and Capaldi) song I love. I also loved when they both sang Presence of the Lord (a Clapton composition). There are probably one or two others I liked but I don't have notes. Other than the two of them being icons of rock and roll, I can't say I thought it was a great show. I did find myself liking Clapton's style more this time than when I saw him my first time last year with Derek.

I still will say that our guys, Warren and Derek, blow Clapton away. I think I am just used to a more complex approach to the guitar than what he has been doing. There were a few brilliant moments when they both were dueling or playing in tandem, but they were moments few and far between.


Set list posted in another ABB thread

01. Had To Cry Today
02. Low Down
03. Forever Man
04. Them Changes
05. Sleeping In The Ground
06. Presence Of The Lord
07. Glad
08. Well All Right
09. Double Trouble
10. Pearly Queen
11. Tell The Truth
12. No Face, No Name, No Number
13. After Midnight
14. Split Decision
15. Ramblin' On My Mind (EC Acoustic solo)
16. Georgia On My Mind (SW Hammond solo)
17. Little Wing
18. Voodoo Chile
19. Can't Find My Way Home
20. Cocaine
ENCORE
21. Dear Mr.Fantasy

http://www.allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&am p;file=viewthread&tid=72096&page=2


[Edited on 2/27/2008 by Angelemerald]

[Edited on 2/27/2008 by Angelemerald]

 

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  posted on 2/27/2008 at 02:36 AM
WOW! Disregard anything that Angela posts from now on....if you haven't been already.

This was one of the greatest shows I have ever seen! If anyone could think that the Winwood solo "Georgia" was a bathroom break, they just don't get it. Winwood's voice was in TOP form. The dude is in his 60s. His voice has lost NOTHING in the last 40 years. One of the greatest talents of the generation!
I saw Clapton with Derek in 06 and Cream in 05. He was playing some truly inspired solos tonight. He seemed to be having a blast. He was great, absolutely as good as I could ever imagine him.
The setlist was great. Could have done without Cocaine, but those "mid-tempo groove" songs knocked my socks off....How could a Mule fan knock mid-tempo groove songs??? Its half their freakin' catalogue...
Anyway, if you are in NYC on Thursday, this show is a must.
I feel like one of the most blessed people alive to have been there tonight.
Good night!

 

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  posted on 2/27/2008 at 02:41 AM
In honor of the night a couple of very early "Stevie" performances:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YMBiLEfMR4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpVGXcblBhg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BjqgtDId1w&feature=related

 

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  posted on 2/27/2008 at 06:44 AM
Sounds great to me. I can only hope they're saving Sea of Joy for the last night. I'm almost glad I've never seen Clapton or Winwood until now (tomorrow). Look out NYC, crackers on the way!

Can anyone confirm that cameras are ok to bring in to MSG?

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  posted on 2/27/2008 at 07:07 AM
Can anyone confirm that cameras are ok to bring in to MSG?

I saw plenty on monday

 

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  posted on 2/27/2008 at 07:07 AM
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, but those "mid-tempo groove" songs knocked my socks off....How could a Mule fan knock mid-tempo groove songs??? Its half their freakin' catalogue...



Right on! I thought the exact samething when I read that. Probably more than half of their catalog is that way.

 

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  posted on 2/27/2008 at 07:22 AM
I enjoyed the show last night as well. For me it was the type of show that should have been in a place like the late lamented Bottom Line with a couple of drinks and some smoke. It was that type of atmosphere, adult blues, improvisational music with musicians pushing each other.

Stating that I agree with Angela who articulated what I felt about the first couple of songs. Sitting in the 400 section was not as bad as I imagined it to be as the sound was very good for where I was (section 406). I had to watch the screen a bit but I still had a good perspective of the musicians on the stage. But I would be lying if I told you I was not squirming during Rambling On My Mind or Georgia On My Mind both of which were performed well but really lost in the confines of a large arena.

This is faaaar from the best show I ever attended but I was not expecting that. It was however great fun to hear these guys really pushing each other. I have a lot of ambivalence about Clapton and think he is best when he is a sideman or when he is sharing the spotlight with another musican who is as gifted as he is. We had an opportunity to see that last evening.

 

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  posted on 2/27/2008 at 07:23 AM
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Disregard anything that Angela posts from now on....if you haven't been already.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion!

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How could a Mule fan knock mid-tempo groove songs??? Its half their freakin' catalogue...

Perhaps because it wasn't Warren!??!

 

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  posted on 2/27/2008 at 07:24 AM
sounds like a super show--i really hope for a dvd or cd

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  posted on 2/27/2008 at 08:01 AM
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I can only hope they're saving Sea of Joy for the last night.
Me too! That is why I had to come online to make sure they didn't play it last night, LOL...


Thanks for the reviews everyone! Tomorrow night is finally my turn!

 

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  posted on 2/27/2008 at 08:16 AM
I was there Monday night and I feel really fortunate to have been there. I thought it was incredibly inspiring--all night long. To experience a Blind Faith reunion (OK--there was no Ginger Baker...) is an amazing experience. I am not going to compare it to an ABB concert.

It sounds like Monday and Tuesday were very similar, with a bit of juggling around the order at the end, and adding Cocaine, playing Dear Mr Fantasy as the encore instead of Crossroads, which made sense since I felt that Dear Mr Fantasy had much more to offer than Crossroads Monday night, which was played with a slow tempo Monday, just the wrong way to end the night, in my opinion. And I say that with a real unwillingness to say anything negative about the concert since I will always remember it in a positive light.

Here's what the NY Times has to say on the subject, for what it's worth:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/27/arts/music/27clap.html?_r=1&ref=arts& amp;oref=slogin

 

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  posted on 2/27/2008 at 08:19 AM
All I know is that I am very jealous of all of you who are lucky enough (or determined..lol) to witness one of these shows.


 

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  posted on 2/27/2008 at 08:55 AM
was there an intermission???
just wondering, because i'm going tommorow..

 

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  posted on 2/27/2008 at 09:26 AM
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was there an intermission???
just wondering, because i'm going tommorow..


No intermission.

 

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  posted on 2/27/2008 at 10:57 AM
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, but those "mid-tempo groove" songs knocked my socks off....How could a Mule fan knock mid-tempo groove songs??? Its half their freakin' catalogue...



Right on! I thought the exact samething when I read that. Probably more than half of their catalog is that way.



Well, since Warren is the master of set list development, for both Mule and ABB, I beg to differ with you guys. Warren understands set pacing like a master show producer. Maybe it wasn't always true but it is true now and has been so for the last few years. With 130ish Mule shows in the last 6.5 years and about 50-60 ABB shows in that same time frame, I think I can make a comment like that without worrying that you guys disagree.

Frankly, to each his own. I'm glad I went but my socks weren't knocked off. I enjoyed the show overall but I am not impressed merely because it is Clapton and Winwood. Sorry. Moreover the sound quality of the show sucked. I felt that the Eric and Derek show last year was far superior to this one, though I felt Clapton was more "on" at this show than the particular one I saw with Derek, though I enjoyed some other shows they did after listening to some tapes. Go ahead and listen to the tapes of last night's show. My friend said the Monday show had more energy. I am sure you will find the tapes of the Clapton Winwood shows very good, but exciting, well I guess it was more exciting than watching TV. LOL.

>>>WOW! Disregard anything that Angela posts from now on....if you haven't been already.>>>

Well, since I disregard your posts, I am fine with your ignoring mine. And I am just kidding so don't get your panties in an bunch.

Like I say, I thought the show was a good show but not a great show. Not like the wow of the ABB and the Mule, even after all the Soulshines. I don't feel I need to say a show was great, or be impressed just because everyone else was. I have a very critical perspective about live music. If I can't hear the vocals, generally, I don't find the show interesting. It is as simple as that. If I am not dancing by the first or second or third song I feel that the material is about the musicians warming up. I like bands that can take off fast out of the gate. I have gone to plenty of shows that were far superior to that one last night. And it isn't about just not liking mid tempo songs, it is about the energy and the timbre of the show overall and I felt it was stuck in one middle America, popish groove. But please, don't let that stop you from going. It was a good enough show and enjoyable enough.

I just like my shows more intense, just like I like more intense guitar playing.

 

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  posted on 3/9/2008 at 09:38 AM
just heard part of the cd i got(thanks,friend ) from 2/26 & plan to listen to the rest later....all i can say is WOW!!!!! There is some subtle & mature musicianship going on here with the entire band sounding rock solid--EC is dynamic,nuanced & chooses notes that tear you in two with emotion.Winwood's playing & always magical singing sounds beautiful & fits perfectly with the band---great rhythm section & stellar performances....glad many here got to enjoy these shows & i'm pleased as can be to be able to listen!!!!!!!!!

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  posted on 3/10/2008 at 02:21 PM
listened again this am--wow--a first rate show
 
 


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