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  posted on 2/25/2008 at 12:32 PM
Does anyone have a review of these shows? Sorry if I've missed it in another thread. Thanks.
 
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  posted on 2/25/2008 at 01:25 PM
I hope I'm wrong but touring with KR is the kiss of death in my book, Dickey deserves better.KR is a rock and roll oppurtunist.

 

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  posted on 2/25/2008 at 07:05 PM
no reviews none of his fans are going to see him play a song or two with kid punk.

 

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  posted on 2/25/2008 at 07:23 PM
The bits and pieces that I have found either don't mention Dickey at all or just mention that KR played Ramblin' Man with him. Mentioned Peter Wolfe doing a few J Geils songs so i imagine Dickey does a few but no mention of that.

 

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I hope I'm wrong but touring with KR is the kiss of death in my book, Dickey deserves better.KR is a rock and roll oppurtunist.


It didn't seem to have any ill effects on the careers of Hank Jr., Sheryl Crow, Billy Gibbons, Lynyrd Skynyrd, etc. As a matter of fact you could say THEY benefited from associating with Bob Richie. What's your point?

 

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I hope I'm wrong but touring with KR is the kiss of death in my book, Dickey deserves better.KR is a rock and roll oppurtunist.


It didn't seem to have any ill effects on the careers of Hank Jr., Sheryl Crow, Billy Gibbons, Lynyrd Skynyrd, etc. As a matter of fact you could say THEY benefited from associating with Bob Richie. What's your point?


I think for sure it helped these people as far as getting exposure, getting airplay, making money, etc. But I feel that this is a move that lacks any artistic integrity. Can you imagine Duane teaming up with Kid Rock? Or Coltrane? Or Paul McCartney? Or B.B. King? Or any true legend of music? Dickey is a legend and deserves better than this. I have all the respect for Dickey's musicianship but this is off putting to me.

 

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I think for sure it helped these people as far as getting exposure, getting airplay, making money, etc. But I feel that this is a move that lacks any artistic integrity. Can you imagine Duane teaming up with Kid Rock? Or Coltrane? Or Paul McCartney? Or B.B. King? Or any true legend of music? Dickey is a legend and deserves better than this. I have all the respect for Dickey's musicianship but this is off putting to me.


Artistic integrity and 5$ might get you a Starbucks coffee. Duane's dead. So is Coltrane. Sir Paul teamed with Michael Jackson. B.B. King has played with everybody and anybody ... Will you lose respect for Dickey's musicianship if he plays with Kid Rock or him in general. I don't know if you know this ... but I can assure you Dickey could give two sh*ts what you and I think.

 

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  posted on 2/25/2008 at 08:15 PM
B.B. King probably would. He has played with many people from different styles over the years. I think he believes its fun.

 

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  posted on 2/25/2008 at 08:22 PM
I'm sure he doesn't but I like to have my opinion too. That said, I'm sure that 50 years from now people will be thinking "why the heck was Dickey Betts stooping to that?" It really doesn't matter in the long run, just an interesting debate to me. Don't wanna stir up any hard feelings

 

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  posted on 2/25/2008 at 08:42 PM
hmm, i seem to remember some band with the initials GM opening up for kid rock a couple years ago. funny how this band and their "artistic integrity" is overlooked in this conversation.

 

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  posted on 2/25/2008 at 08:44 PM
And the plot thickens......
 

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  posted on 2/25/2008 at 09:14 PM
Hateto say it, but I think it is a good move for Dickey. And, Kid's new album is actually...guess what....good. The band he has put together for the tour is also good. I wish it were coming close to me, as it sounds like a good time.

 

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  posted on 2/25/2008 at 09:46 PM
I'd better just keep my opinions to myself.

 

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  posted on 2/25/2008 at 10:23 PM
Dickey is playing a 3 song set in the middle of the show. Jessica, Southbound and Ramblin' Man.

 

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Quote:It didn't seem to have any ill effects on the careers of Hank Jr., Sheryl Crow, Billy Gibbons, Lynyrd Skynyrd, etc. As a matter of fact you could say THEY benefited from associating with Bob Richie. What's your point? :Unquote


My point is it degrades Dickey, kinda like an F1 Ferrari with a bunch of NASCARS (sorry for the bad analogy)Hank Jr. sucks, check out his old man or Hank III, Sheryl Crow is a has been (she should stick to her toilet paper agenda), never got into ZZ Top ( to me their videos were more important to them than music),. and Lynard Skynard, are on the has been circuit resting on thier laurels.Why does KR need to be with established performers to support his shows? Can't he just mak e it on his own now? KR is more concerned with the hip and coolness rather than musicianship he has gotten way more recognition than he deserves, would you want him to guest at the Beacon with the ABB? Not me.All these people that you mention just don't seem very "deep" to me.Dickey with Kid Rock is like Ry Cooder ( whom I'm sure YOU never heard of) playing with Esteban.

 

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  posted on 2/25/2008 at 11:12 PM
I hear Dickeys got a new video game on Playstation IV where he beats Gregg over the head with a guitar.JK,but seriously playallnite,Bocephus does not suck

 

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Quote: hear Dickeys got a new video game on Playstation IV where he beats Gregg over the head with a guitar.JK,but seriously playallnite,Bocephus does not suck :Unquote


Maybe I over reacted on Bocephus there Oldschool, but Hank Snr. and Hank III to me are the real deal, if you're not familiar with Hank III there's lotsa nuggets on youtube. But I'm gonna stick with my last analogy Dickey with KR is like Ry Cooder with Esteban.

 

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  posted on 2/25/2008 at 11:32 PM
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My point is it degrades Dickey,


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kinda like an F1 Ferrari with a bunch of NASCARS


Do you mean the F-1 where Shumacher's teammate had the lead and pussed out and slowed down so Shumacher could pass him up and take the lame win? Or the F-1 race where they threw the hissy fit in Indianapolis and folks that traveled from around the country and around the world watched only six cars go around the track?? Is that the F-1 you're talking about?

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never got into ZZ Top ( to me their videos were more important to them than music),.


Have you ever heard their Tejas album or other earlier work??? Clueless.

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Why does KR need to be with established performers to support his shows? Can't he just mak e it on his own now?


He could if he wanted, but he would rather put together a full-blown review type of show that doesn't exist anymore, to give the folks a lot for their money.

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KR is more concerned with the hip and coolness rather than musicianship ,


His new album is pretty good, and at times, very good. And, the band he has put together for this tour are no slouches.

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Who hasn't heard of Ry Cooder?? I can pretty well guarantee you that I could throw out there musicians equal to or better than Cooder, or various musicians that folks like Derek Trucks and Warren Haynes listen to, that you have never heard if in your life. That is an easy road to go down. A bad and assumptive analogy.

Secondly, there was a time when the legendary Johnny Cash's career was static at best. But, it took Rick Rubin, the producer of groups such as the Geto Boys, the Beastie Boys, Chuck D and Public Enemy, Andrew Dice Clay, Sir Mix A-Lot, L.L. Cool J., and Run -DMC to add to and resurrect Cash's career for a new and different generation.

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Kid Rock just might be the most misunderstood guy in entertainment. Known to many for his dust-ups with Waffle House patrons and spats with fellow musician Tommy Lee, Rock (born Robert James Ritchie) has made a name for himself as a celebrity bad boy in the tabloids.

Fans tell a different story though. Just ask Emily Bailes, a full-time student who drove down from Columbia to catch Rock's "Rock 'N' Roll Revival Tour" at the North Charleston Coliseum on Saturday night. Bailes, who was with her stepmother, Melody, and her father, Joe, was one of a lucky few who ended up in the pit at the front of the crowd. Earlier in the afternoon the Bailes family happened upon Rock and his crew playing basketball near the Coliseum. "I had a handmade poster, and I said, 'Hey Kid,' and he came over to the fence and signed it for me," gushed Emily, who considers herself a big fan. Rock signed other autographs and posed for a picture with Melody before returning to his game.

For anyone still wondering if Rock is all attitude and no talent, those notions were put to rest during Saturday night's show. Opening with the title track to his current album, "Rock 'N' Roll Jesus," Rock performed hits from throughout his career, including "Cowboy," "Picture," and "Half Your Age," a song that takes a dig at ex-wife Pamela Anderson. Particularly good was "All Summer Long," which incorporated riffs from Lynyrd Skynyrd's "Sweet Home Alabama" and Warren Zevon's "Werewolves of London." "Lowlife," another tune from Rock's new CD, found the artist poking fun at the media's pre-conceived image of him.

Rock is one of the few artists that can segue from rock to rap to country, and still sound credible doing so. Backed by his Twisted Brown Trucker Band, Rock also paid tribute to a couple of his idols, bringing Reverend Run and Dickey Betts out on stage.

During the second set, Reverend Run, formerly of Run-DMC, practically stole the show from Rock on classic hits such as "Rock Box," "You Be Illin'," and the famous cover of Aerosmith's "Walk This Way."

Ending the night with a rendition of "Bawitdaba," Rock left a crowd of more 6,000 thoroughly satisfied.

..................He took the time to thank the crowd for spending their hard earned money during a tough economy on him, he asked us to take 2 seconds and turn to the people behind or in front and say 'hey.' I shook hands with a big ole biker guy whom I would normally look straight ahead and make no eye contact with.



 

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  posted on 2/26/2008 at 09:55 AM
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The bits and pieces that I have found either don't mention Dickey at all or just mention that KR played Ramblin' Man with him. Mentioned Peter Wolfe doing a few J Geils songs so i imagine Dickey does a few but no mention of that.


Really, this sizes it up in the terms of a percieved "Rock n' Roll Hierarchy". What was Dickey thinking?.. Shame on his manager. "If" this was about exposure, then why play
" Ramblin' Man, Southbound & Jessica"?... because those are the songs that will make the crowd say "I recognize this"?.... How is that exposure?... "Exposure" would be Dickey playing "Elizabeth Reed" or "Le Brers"... but then Kid Rock couldn't come running out on stage with his Cowboy hat on during the Hammond solo on 'Liz Reed. This reminds of an 'Ol West side show...with the barkers' tune almost identical, what, 110 ten years later? "Hey Boys 'n Girls, step right up and see and hear how it used to be"

 

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The bits and pieces that I have found either don't mention Dickey at all or just mention that KR played Ramblin' Man with him. Mentioned Peter Wolfe doing a few J Geils songs so i imagine Dickey does a few but no mention of that.


Really, this sizes it up in the terms of a percieved "Rock n' Roll Hierarchy". What was Dickey thinking?.. Shame on his manager. "If" this was about exposure, then why play
" Ramblin' Man, Southbound & Jessica"?... because those are the songs that will make the crowd say "I recognize this"?.... How is that exposure?... "Exposure" would be Dickey playing "Elizabeth Reed" or "Le Brers"... but then Kid Rock couldn't come running out on stage with his Cowboy hat on during the Hammond solo on 'Liz Reed."


Perfectly said by BIGV. I am glad there are other that feel like I do about this situation. To me, this is a big step down for Dickey and putting him in a lower level class of music. Dickey touring and playing 3 popular tunes for a few minutes with KR would be like Bob Dylan touring and playing 3 of his popular songs songs with Matchbox 20 and then leaving the stage. Dylan would NEVER compromise his integrity that way. If it was just for a night or two fine, but a whole tour?

Look at all the great things Derek has been doing the past couple years - playing along side a Blues legend in Eric Clapton and now dates with with another legend in Carlos Santana. All this while still playing in his own band and The ABB no less. THAT is how it's done - all good moves. On the other hand we have this announcement-----and now the big news from Dickeys' camp is: Dickey will be playing with - are you ready folks......Kid Rock! Wooo freakin' Hoooo. How very sad.

Dickey needs to get his balls back like he once had and play with some real musicians again. I am sure if he called Phil Lesh maybe Phil would let him tour with his band for some shows. There is a friendship there. Or maybe that would be too tough on Dickey - he would have to actually take the time to rehearse and learn 75 songs in a week or two and play some real dynamic fully improvised Jams with top notch players like Larry Campbell. On second thought, maybe he's not really up for that challenge. How the mighty have fallen.

Sorry for the rant folks, but as you can tell I think this Kid Rock deal is a bad move for a guy who's music has meant a lot to me over the years. Other people expressed their opinions and now I've done the same, thats all. I will always love Dickey, but this move hurts the real fans IMO.

 

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  posted on 2/26/2008 at 11:04 AM
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Next time you see him why don't you tell him that?

Dickey was invited on this tour and graciously accepted the invite. He wanted to do this tour, if he didn't, he wouldn't be touring. He said he is having a great time on KR tour.

 

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  posted on 2/26/2008 at 11:09 AM
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Dylan would NEVER compromise his integrity that way.

He's the guy from the Victoria's Secret commercial, right?

 

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  posted on 2/26/2008 at 11:18 AM
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He's the guy from the Victoria's Secret commercial, right?


Right. ...I get your point Marley, but I stand by mine. Dylan would not "tour" with KR for the right to play 3 of his own songs.

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  posted on 2/26/2008 at 11:30 AM
Good grief people, Dickey is playing 15 or 20 shows w/ Kid Rock; he's not selling himself into slavery. I want to hear from someone who actually goes to the show, not someone's mere assumption that it will be bad. I suspect young Duane is into it, and maybe Dickey is doing this to help get his son's name out there, as dad's coattails will not be there forever. Plus I'm sure it would be fun for both Betts to hang w/ Kid (and the strippers!), and pick up a nice check in the process. I would prefer Dickey to tour w/ alot of other bands, but maybe this was the best offer he got. You go Mr Betts!

 

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  posted on 2/26/2008 at 11:47 AM
Sorry to sound like a broken record, but there's big $$$ in the casual CMT viewer, and that's the stage where this collaboration will most likely play out . It's sad that Dickey Betts is in let's face it...a pretty lowly state . He's alienated his traditional fan base, so now is a good time to make the big bucks off of a less-informed audience, enter Kid Rock .

Even people who know nothing of the man or appreciate his past contributions to music will instantly recognize the 3 songs Betts will be performing during the Kid Rock show . Think about it , going from selling the majority of your music off your website to being on Wal Mart's shelves again .

History be damned , and a legacy tarnished , and to hell with what us one-time fans may think . I don't feel sorry for Dickey Betts . Just this move joining Kid Rock's band will make him more money than many of us will see in a lifetime .

 
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