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  posted on 2/18/2008 at 10:42 AM
I feel comfortable identifying Derek vs. Warren or Dickey vs. Duane, but as a long time ABB fan, I'm a littled embarrassed to admit I sometimes have difficulty telling whether I'm listening to Dickey or Warren playing on some of those early '90s albums. Can anyone give me any rule of thumb to the pattern of the solos or anything? I think I can tell pretty well with "evening with" albums, but some of the studio stuff......????

Anyway, maybe I just haven't listen to this as much of late and it'll come back This is when I first started seeing the band live so I should be better able, but...

As a matter of fact, my first Beacon show, which stands out in my memory as you would imagine, was during Woody's last Beacon run with the band and Dickey and Warren tore it up with all sorts of stage presence and energy.

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  posted on 2/18/2008 at 11:09 AM
Some of that is probably due to the actually mixing and studio sound. There was a period of time in the early to mid 90's where Dickey & Warren sometimes used very similar tones.

I don't know exactly how to tell you the difference, but, Warren & Dickey have very different attacks. And like just about every guitar player, they have several signature runs that are obvious. There is a difference in their sustains as well.

It also helps if you know where each of them usually play in each song. Derek & Warren mix that up in some songs these days, but back then, Dickey had a set part & Warren had a set part... If you have specifics, I'm sure I could tell you...

 

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  posted on 2/18/2008 at 11:45 AM
Thanks for the reply....

let me throw some examples at you, and I may be able to guess if I listened again, but with the bluesy stuff like:

Get On with Your Life (although, I think I have that on the Great Woods video)
Gambler's role
Good Clean Fun
Midnight Man
All Night Train

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  posted on 2/18/2008 at 11:50 AM
I know on Hittin the Note it indicates in the notes who plays the left side and who plays the right side. Don't feel alone. Your not the first.

 

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  posted on 2/18/2008 at 11:53 AM
quote:
Thanks for the reply....

let me throw some examples at you, and I may be able to guess if I listened again, but with the bluesy stuff like:

Get On with Your Life (although, I think I have that on the Great Woods video)
Gambler's role
Good Clean Fun
Midnight Man
All Night Train

???Thanks!


If someone doesn't beat me to it (which I'm sure they will) I'll give these a listen on Thursday and let you know who's playing what... (Any slide parts are all Warren)

I am going to NJ for business, leaving now and returning like midnight on Wed, so I won't have access to the internet until then.

 

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  posted on 2/18/2008 at 12:01 PM
Hey, very kind of you....sounds like work though! I was just looking for listening tips, you don't have to do research for me But thanks for the offer!
 

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  posted on 2/18/2008 at 12:45 PM
I always thought Dickey played more of a melodic style with "climb ups" throughout his leads...a very sweet and clean sounding style. On the other hand, Warren's leads are a bit more bluesy and cutting depending upon what the song needed.
 

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  posted on 2/18/2008 at 03:45 PM
Never had a problem with who is who when it's Dickey/Warren,but sure used to when it was Dickey/DanToler!

 

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  posted on 2/18/2008 at 04:04 PM
I think I had more trouble distinguishing between Duane & Dickey than I did between Dickey & Warren. I agree, though, trying to tell between Dickey & Dan Toler was the toughest.

I think on Seven Turns & Shades Of Two Worlds, Warren was going for more of a Duane-type feel that I could distinguish from Dickey's tone (why I found that easier than distinguishing between Duane himself & Dickey, I just don't know.)

It's really easy for me to tell between Warren & Derek. Derek has a unique sound all his own...like Clapton, Carlos, Jimi, BB & Jeff Beck, just a couple of notes you can tell who's playing. As great a player as I think Warren is, he doesn't really have that uniqueness to his sound & tone. I have to distinguish that it is him by ruling out that "it's not Derek, it has to be Warren". Or, "It's not Dickey, so it has to be Warren".



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  posted on 2/18/2008 at 08:41 PM
Van, man having trouble distinguishing between Dickey and Warren? Well ..............

1. Any slide is Warren

2. Live it is actually Dickey using a sh*t load of delay moreso than Warren

3. Warren tends to play the harmony

4. Dickey normally plays the signature licks on the classic stuff

5. The only thing remotely country sounding Warren has ever done

with the ABB is that first fill on Ramblin' Man.

6. Warren is responsible for the Stones sounding lick in "End of The Line."

7. Warren's early ABB was very rock oriented almost metal at times.

8. There are Warren cliches that he still uses today.

9. Dickey usually busts the more straight ahead sounding jazz stuff.

Hope this helps. And yes Dickey/Duane is harder to tell with Dickey/Dan harder than that.

 

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  posted on 2/18/2008 at 09:21 PM
I always thought Warren and Dickey were pretty easy to distinguish, but I suppose Warren's style grew more over the course of 89-97, so those accustomed to his current style, which is pretty fat and easily identifiable, may have difficulty with Shades and 7 Turns. Also, Warren used Fender or PRS guitars more often in 89-91 which may help distinguish him from Dickey's unique tone.

I still have trouble distinguishing between Dan and Dickey's stuff from 79-82. Usually Dan had a bit more of a "sour" tone compared to Dickey's sweeter tone. Also, Dan was a lot more repetitive and less melodic, and Dickey is a lot more "bouncy". Compare "Pegasus" solos - I believe 1st solo is Dan, 2nd is Dickey. Or am I totally wrong about that?

 

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  posted on 2/18/2008 at 09:25 PM
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  posted on 2/19/2008 at 09:13 AM
To me, it's a tone thing. I can be confused if it's Warren (thinking it sort of sounds like Dickey), but then when I hear Dickey, it's "yeah, that's Dickey". Warren's tone with the Brothers is sort of chameleon-like to me. Sometimes it's kinda Duane-like, sometimes it's kinda Dickey-like, and to me, when he sounds the most like himself is with Gov't Mule.
 
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  posted on 2/19/2008 at 10:27 AM
OK, insert your own blah blah blah disclaimer about what a great fan I am here...now, I'm really embarassed to admit, but other than obvious slide pieces, I can't tell Duane from Dickey. I'm sure this is partly due to the fact that I don't play, so don't have the guitar theory knowledge that some of you do. The liner notes to "The Fillmore Concerts" help, and sometimes if you can hear what side Duane's slide is on, you can figure the solos, but I'm often lost. If someone here would be kind enough to just kind of outline the parts in Mtn Jam, Whipping Post and Liz Reed I would be eternally grateful.

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  posted on 2/19/2008 at 11:50 AM
Ok I can't recall Mtn. Jam exactly, but Liz Reed has Dickey/ Gregg/ Duane.

Now that I have listened again, AFE Whipping Post has Duane then Dickey (the noodling around in the middle is all Dickey I believe) then Duane some more, then Dickey does some "violin" stuff (volume swells) then Gregg sings (21:22), then tandem stuff in the outro. To my ears anyway

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  posted on 2/19/2008 at 12:34 PM
I'm pretty sure Mt Jam (before the drum break) is Duane and then Dickey, if I remember correctly (one of my favorite Dickey solos where he slowly climbs up and up). They can be tough, especially on the first album, it's amazing how similar their styles were. Duane's tone tends to change a bit, depending on the song, but it's a little more fat and distorted with a little sting to it, while Dickey's is a little more clean and sweet and much more consistent. Duane's fret work tends to be more intense, while Dickey's solos build a little more deliberately.

 

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  posted on 2/19/2008 at 12:50 PM
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For me, it's easy to tell the difference between Haynes and Betts. Haynes sound much heavier. Rips. Dickey much more "tone-ie", "melodic". No problem distinguishing whatsoever.


I agree. Warren has one of the fattest guitar tones I have ever heard, and Dickey's is much lighter and he uses a lot of reverb.

 

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  posted on 2/19/2008 at 12:57 PM
Warren has a fuzzier tone Dickey is pure wood.

 

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  posted on 2/19/2008 at 01:23 PM
If a solo has any sweeps in it, that would dickey. He was quite fond of a couple three and four string sweeps back then. Warren has more overdrive than dickey, and in the early 90's he was playing a strat so some of his tones have that strat sound. of course all slide is Warren.
 

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Ok I can't recall Mtn. Jam exactly, but Liz Reed has Dickey/ Gregg/ Duane.


Well, crap...I've had THAT backwards all these years. I've always thought that first solo was Duane and that Dickey came in after Gregg's solo.

Time to go listen again with "new ears".

 
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Ok I can't recall Mtn. Jam exactly, but Liz Reed has Dickey/ Gregg/ Duane.


Well, crap...I've had THAT backwards all these years. I've always thought that first solo was Duane and that Dickey came in after Gregg's solo.

Time to go listen again with "new ears".


AFE Liz Reed Duane's solo is my favorite piece of music. Period.

 

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  posted on 2/19/2008 at 06:03 PM
I think Warren's grungier tone is normally the easiest for me to recognize (If I try or care)
 

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  posted on 2/19/2008 at 10:01 PM
Easiest to Hardest to tell:

Derek >
Dickey >
Duane >
Warren

thats just my ears though

 

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  posted on 2/19/2008 at 10:08 PM
AFE Liz Reed Duane's solo is my favorite piece of music. Period.



No slide here...fingers.

[Edited on 2/20/2008 by bird72]

[Edited on 2/20/2008 by alloak41]

 

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AFE Liz Reed Duane's solo is my favorite piece of music. Period.



No slide here...fingers.

[Edited on 2/20/2008 by bird72]

[Edited on 2/20/2008 by alloak41]


Isn't it amazing that such an incredible display was done using a method that wasn't even his "specialty"? It grabs my soul every time I hear it.

 

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