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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 09:09 AM
I have lived here my whole life and i have NEVER seen it this bad..question for all of the smart ones here..are they putting something chemically different in the road salt ? It is eating the streets away..

how are things on the roads in other cities ?

 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 09:15 AM
The roads are pretty crappy here in Milwaukee too! Tons of potholes and tons of snow.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 09:17 AM
Just how bad is it, Lefthander?

 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 09:26 AM
Lefty, potholes are generally caused by failures in the underlying pavement layer, usually called the base layer. Asphalt is a flexible pavement. When cracks occur in the surface of the asphalt, moisture can seep down and permeate the base layer. This causes the base layer to weaken and become soft. Continued traffic causes the base and pavement to fail and potholes occur. Another cause of potholes is the freeze thaw cycle. Moisture in the base layer contracts and expands as temperatures drop and rise. This makes the asphalt flex and crack. In concrete roadways, the freeze thaw cycle can actually cause pockets of steam/gas to become trapped and build up pressure, causing small explosions that result in breaks in the slab. Then moisture from rain, etc., gets under the slabs and weakens the base, causing potholes in the concrete. Road salt doesn't hurt the asphalt or concrete as much as the weight of the truck that's spreading it. We don't have as many potholes in the south because we don't have the severe freeze thaw cycles like they do in the midwest.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 09:27 AM
showoff! Just kidding

 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 09:31 AM
Not that this has anything to do with the current situation, but... Back in the 80's when I was on the road, I remember that the potholes were so bad around Chicago that some enterprising individual actually made a map of major potholes and sold them at truckstops. Our drivers bought them and said that they saved damage to the buses. Anybody doing that again?
 





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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 09:32 AM
Here in NYC, it can be an obstacle course in some places. Of course the richer higher tax areas are always in fine shape, but for the most part it's bad.
Besides the weather, and the salt that erodes the roads, the problem stems from not correctly filling a hole after a repair by what ever agency is doing the work.
After a pipe, or wire repair, they fill the hole with just asphalt, instead of sand/gravel/..then cover with asphalt.
These holes just collaspe after a while. And we have our cars in the shop getting alignments.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 09:33 AM
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Just how bad is it, Lefthander?


it's so bad, that as i avoided a pothole on the ramp from northbound Central ave, to westbound I55, i could see an Austrailian Outback dude peering up at me..

 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 09:52 AM
Look on the bright side, they may find Jimmy Hoffa now...

 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 10:27 AM
Perhaps it's due to over-exhuberent Christmas celebrating in the area.

(With apologies to Mad Magazine, sung to the tune of Hark! The Herald Angels Sing)

Boom! The cherry bombs explode
Blowing potholes in the road.
Tiny bits of dynamite
Sure can give
a guy a fright.
One went off by Irving's Mama,
Almost had a big trauma!
Gad, what simple-minded jerks
We turn loose with fireworks.
Boom! The cherry bombs explode,
Blowing potholes in the road.


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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 10:57 AM
LOL Randy

 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 11:06 AM
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Just how bad is it, Lefthander?


it's so bad, that as i avoided a pothole on the ramp from northbound Central ave, to westbound I55, i could see an Austrailian Outback dude peering up at me..


I caught a news report (I'm also in Chicago) this morning that said lately they've been filling 2 to 3 THOUSAND a day.

Another stat was that tire shops that normally sell 20 new tires a day are now averaging 80 per day . . . they love it.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 11:09 AM
North/Clybourne right by Joe's on Weed there's one so big it could easily double as a grave....I'm 6 feet tall and I can literally crawl inside of it.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 11:18 AM
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LOL Randy


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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 11:22 AM
Funny, we were just talking about this at work this morning. I've lived in the Chicago area my whole life too, and it's funny: As long as I've been driving I never thought it was that bad. In fact, whenever I travelled out of state I couldn't believe how every other city seemed to have such bad roads compared to here. But this year, there are a few roads that are just unbareable. It is weird that it is all of a sudden. ESPECIALLY with the amount construction around here, which is also unbareable. I don't know what I dislike more.
 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 11:36 AM
Lefty,

I saw a spot on Channel 2 news last night that said the city (Chicago) has spent almost all of the $18 million allocated for snow removal this winter. If we continue to get more snow we could have a big problem. Road crews are trying to repair 4,000 pot holes a day. I know there are some huge potholes on Lake Shore Drive near where I live. I think one swallowed a bus.

I have long held the belief that the contractors that build our roads use cheaper materials and don't make the roads thick enough to withstand weather and heavy usage. If they built these roads better we wouldn't have these problems. I bet there are already potholes on the Dan Ryan Expressway. Maybe I am placing blame in the wrong place but that is the best I can come up with.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 11:41 AM
I'm no expert like BDOB, but I think it has to do at least in part with this crazy cycle we're in. Chicago has always had some extreme cold days, and some heavy snow days, along with some freezing rain, but I think in general, those were always broken up by just regular days, days or even weeks at a time of dry days with temps in the 20's . . . cold, but not single-digit or subzero stuff.

This year, and particularly since the holidays, it seems like we've always got something. If it's not bitterly cold, it's snowing, if it's not snowing, it's raining during the day and it freezes overnight, if the sky is clear, it's 2 degrees. Nothing that's happening, taken as individual instances, is all that extreme, but it seems, at least to me, that the lack of "recovery time" between bouts of heavy snow and extreme cold is what is making this winter uncommonly harsh, and contributing greatly to the pothole problem.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 11:44 AM
Good point (as always) Droog. But you know, we've had such extremely mild winters for the last 10 years, that this winter has really seemed to me like the first real winter we've had since I was a kid. It's something I've been aware of for years. Maybe we just got spoiled and the roads used to always get this bad and we don't remember. - Yeah, we've had some bad storms in the winters every year. But I felt like when I was a kid it there was snow on the ground from November to April! (I'm probably exaggerating).

That being said, I am READY for spring.

 

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Lefty, potholes are generally caused by failures in the underlying pavement layer, usually called the base layer. Asphalt is a flexible pavement. When cracks occur in the surface of the asphalt, moisture can seep down and permeate the base layer. This causes the base layer to weaken and become soft. Continued traffic causes the base and pavement to fail and potholes occur. Another cause of potholes is the freeze thaw cycle. Moisture in the base layer contracts and expands as temperatures drop and rise. This makes the asphalt flex and crack. In concrete roadways, the freeze thaw cycle can actually cause pockets of steam/gas to become trapped and build up pressure, causing small explosions that result in breaks in the slab. Then moisture from rain, etc., gets under the slabs and weakens the base, causing potholes in the concrete. Road salt doesn't hurt the asphalt or concrete as much as the weight of the truck that's spreading it. We don't have as many potholes in the south because we don't have the severe freeze thaw cycles like they do in the midwest.


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Lefty, potholes are generally caused by failures in the underlying pavement layer, usually called the base layer. Asphalt is a flexible pavement. When cracks occur in the surface of the asphalt, moisture can seep down and permeate the base layer. This causes the base layer to weaken and become soft. Continued traffic causes the base and pavement to fail and potholes occur. Another cause of potholes is the freeze thaw cycle. Moisture in the base layer contracts and expands as temperatures drop and rise. This makes the asphalt flex and crack. In concrete roadways, the freeze thaw cycle can actually cause pockets of steam/gas to become trapped and build up pressure, causing small explosions that result in breaks in the slab. Then moisture from rain, etc., gets under the slabs and weakens the base, causing potholes in the concrete. Road salt doesn't hurt the asphalt or concrete as much as the weight of the truck that's spreading it. We don't have as many potholes in the south because we don't have the severe freeze thaw cycles like they do in the midwest.


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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 12:24 PM
God bless the CTA.
 
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Lefty, potholes are generally caused by failures in the underlying pavement layer, usually called the base layer. Asphalt is a flexible pavement. When cracks occur in the surface of the asphalt, moisture can seep down and permeate the base layer. This causes the base layer to weaken and become soft. Continued traffic causes the base and pavement to fail and potholes occur. Another cause of potholes is the freeze thaw cycle. Moisture in the base layer contracts and expands as temperatures drop and rise. This makes the asphalt flex and crack. In concrete roadways, the freeze thaw cycle can actually cause pockets of steam/gas to become trapped and build up pressure, causing small explosions that result in breaks in the slab. Then moisture from rain, etc., gets under the slabs and weakens the base, causing potholes in the concrete. Road salt doesn't hurt the asphalt or concrete as much as the weight of the truck that's spreading it. We don't have as many potholes in the south because we don't have the severe freeze thaw cycles like they do in the midwest.




According to Hoyle


What he said.....................LOL.

[Edited on 2/8/2008 by rottinpeach]

 

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Lefty, potholes are generally caused by failures in the underlying pavement layer, usually called the base layer. Asphalt is a flexible pavement. When cracks occur in the surface of the asphalt, moisture can seep down and permeate the base layer. This causes the base layer to weaken and become soft. Continued traffic causes the base and pavement to fail and potholes occur. Another cause of potholes is the freeze thaw cycle. Moisture in the base layer contracts and expands as temperatures drop and rise. This makes the asphalt flex and crack. In concrete roadways, the freeze thaw cycle can actually cause pockets of steam/gas to become trapped and build up pressure, causing small explosions that result in breaks in the slab. Then moisture from rain, etc., gets under the slabs and weakens the base, causing potholes in the concrete. Road salt doesn't hurt the asphalt or concrete as much as the weight of the truck that's spreading it. We don't have as many potholes in the south because we don't have the severe freeze thaw cycles like they do in the midwest.
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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 01:06 PM
We have a ton that weaken like Dave mentioned... and then are massively opened up when the snbow plows come by and rip chunks out of the road...

 

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