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  posted on 2/5/2008 at 07:54 PM
I am listening to Tales of Ordinary Madness i have not pulled that out in quite a while.
I forgot how good this cd is.I still have my copy i purchased back in 94.
I hope he does another solo album someday.I like this record alot do you guys like it?
The album is very polished.

 
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  posted on 2/5/2008 at 08:12 PM
I like it a lot!
To me it seems like he concentrated on his Vocals
more than his Guitar.
Some Great Songs on this one.
Might have to pull it out and listen to it myself!

 

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  posted on 2/5/2008 at 08:57 PM
Wow! I just pulled that one out last week and enjoyed it very much. It had been years since I listened to that. I had no clue in the world that 'I'll Be The One' was a part of that album, and a killer version too. It's not the Mule but it's still very good. Worth a listen for sure.

 

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  posted on 2/5/2008 at 09:30 PM
Haven't heard this one yet. Maybe I should check it out....
 

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  posted on 2/6/2008 at 12:11 AM
Personally, I think he should leave the ABB pronto and get that going on. Warren needs a Sweet Baby James. LOL. I am using that as a metaphor.

I've liked - not loved - hearing Mule play the songs that have traditionally been Warren's solo numbers. Warren is such a great musician and song writer and he needs great musicians backing him. And that isn't mentioning his voice. (Which I hope he is taking care of.)

I would love to see him do a more produced solo effort. Not as highly produced as Tales, but closer than he has done with Mule.

I would be greatly disappointed if Matt, Andy and Danny weren't included, but I would love to see some guests like Chuck Leveall and Bruce Hornsby (who can add some refinement), and Johnny Neal (who I also think is a top notch keyboardist), Gregg Allman on the B3, and perhaps Kofi Burbridge on keyboards but definitely on the flute and Karl Denson on flute and sax and maybe some other top notch musicians. And most certainly there needs to be a duet with Grace Potter. LOL.

 

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  posted on 2/6/2008 at 01:27 AM
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Personally, I think he should leave the ABB pronto and get that going on.


I agree he hasn't brought anything new and creative to the table in years with the ABB. Rehashing covers from classic rock stations isn't gonna cut it much longer.

 

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  posted on 2/6/2008 at 08:05 AM
Beg to differ, my friends.... I like him right where he is. He still seems to have enough energy for all that he does. He's not 80 years old yet, and he is such a great traditional "ABB" player. He grew up on the stuff, and has polished it so well. Stay right where you are, Warren!

That being said, I would love to have more solo stuff of his available. I'd enjoy a few openers before the ABB or Mule shows of just him.

Go easy on me and my comments, I'm sensitive!

 

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  posted on 2/6/2008 at 08:12 AM
i'll go easy--i agree with what ya said!!
 

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  posted on 2/6/2008 at 12:42 PM
ah I'm just bitchin cause I want a new ABB album. Unlike many I really enjoy listening to their last release.

 

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  posted on 2/6/2008 at 02:27 PM
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ah I'm just bitchin cause I want a new ABB album. Unlike many I really enjoy listening to their last release.



Their last release was great and I'm sure that when and if they feel the creative juices flowing we will get another solid album. The last thing I want is something that is forced and not very good. I would rather they never come out with anything new if it's not gonna be at least as good as 'Hittin' The Note'.

 

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  posted on 2/6/2008 at 02:34 PM
Guess I'm the only one, but I disliked Tales from my first listen. I'd already been into Warren through the Mule's first 2 albums and the ABB when I picked up Tales, thinking that I'd love it. Unfortunately I find the album WAY too overproduced, to the point of being cheesy for my tastes. I enjoyed the studio version of "I'll be the one" on the Mule EP alot more than the version on Tales, but I still don't like song really. Tales version is almost power-ballady. The lyrics are just too much. Just don't dig it.
 

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Guess I'm the only one, but I disliked Tales from my first listen. I'd already been into Warren through the Mule's first 2 albums and the ABB when I picked up Tales, thinking that I'd love it. Unfortunately I find the album WAY too overproduced, to the point of being cheesy for my tastes. I enjoyed the studio version of "I'll be the one" on the Mule EP alot more than the version on Tales, but I still don't like song really. Tales version is almost power-ballady. The lyrics are just too much. Just don't dig it.


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  posted on 2/6/2008 at 04:45 PM
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Personally, I think he should leave the ABB pronto and get that going on.


I agree he hasn't brought anything new and creative to the table in years with the ABB. Rehashing covers from classic rock stations isn't gonna cut it much longer.



And the others have?

Don't say you agree with me and go in a different direction with what I said, please.

It would greatly benefit Warren to leave the ABB. The ABB would have a bit of a problem if he left in light of his ongoing musical direction and the booking connections Warren brings the band. The summer tour with Bob Weir was a great thing for the ABB and it was due to Warren's connection with the GD related parties.

Without him, Hittin the Note never would have happened. As for Warren's artistic expression, I see no avenue for him in that regard with the ABB. But he sticks by them, because he cares about the people and he cares about the music. That and the pay must be good.

However if he left he would have time to pursue his muse more than he does now. That is what I meant so don't change it and use it as a way to diss the man. Thanks.

 

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  posted on 2/6/2008 at 08:50 PM
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Personally, I think he should leave the ABB pronto and get that going on. Warren needs a Sweet Baby James. LOL. I am using that as a metaphor.

I've liked - not loved - hearing Mule play the songs that have traditionally been Warren's solo numbers. Warren is such a great musician and song writer and he needs great musicians backing him. And that isn't mentioning his voice. (Which I hope he is taking care of.)

I would love to see him do a more produced solo effort. Not as highly produced as Tales, but closer than he has done with Mule.

I would be greatly disappointed if Matt, Andy and Danny weren't included, but I would love to see some guests like Chuck Leveall and Bruce Hornsby (who can add some refinement), and Johnny Neal (who I also think is a top notch keyboardist), Gregg Allman on the B3, and perhaps Kofi Burbridge on keyboards but definitely on the flute and Karl Denson on flute and sax and maybe some other top notch musicians. And most certainly there needs to be a duet with Grace Potter. LOL.



Can't agree with this. I love Warren with the ABB and I don't believe there would be anymore ABB without Warren at this point. Moreover, I love seeing Warren get a chance to duel with someone of the calibre of Derek Trucks. You will get your wish soon enough. The ABB will not go on forever.

In any event, the meager schedule of the ABB should not affect Warren's ability to do solo work. I would love to see him do some more acoustic solo shows.

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  posted on 2/6/2008 at 08:51 PM
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Guess I'm the only one, but I disliked Tales from my first listen. I'd already been into Warren through the Mule's first 2 albums and the ABB when I picked up Tales, thinking that I'd love it. Unfortunately I find the album WAY too overproduced, to the point of being cheesy for my tastes. I enjoyed the studio version of "I'll be the one" on the Mule EP alot more than the version on Tales, but I still don't like song really. Tales version is almost power-ballady. The lyrics are just too much. Just don't dig it.


Tales is ok but it does not approach the quality of the Mule albums. Warren's songwriting matured a lot witht he Mule.

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Personally, I think he should leave the ABB pronto and get that going on.


I agree he hasn't brought anything new and creative to the table in years with the ABB. Rehashing covers from classic rock stations isn't gonna cut it much longer.



And the others have?

Don't say you agree with me and go in a different direction with what I said, please.

It would greatly benefit Warren to leave the ABB. The ABB would have a bit of a problem if he left in light of his ongoing musical direction and the booking connections Warren brings the band. The summer tour with Bob Weir was a great thing for the ABB and it was due to Warren's connection with the GD related parties.

Without him, Hittin the Note never would have happened. As for Warren's artistic expression, I see no avenue for him in that regard with the ABB. But he sticks by them, because he cares about the people and he cares about the music. That and the pay must be good.

However if he left he would have time to pursue his muse more than he does now. That is what I meant so don't change it and use it as a way to diss the man. Thanks.


I think he stays with the ABB because he likes playing with them and feels it is his band as much as anything else. I really don't think it prevents him from doing other work. I DO think appearing with Phil Lesh, the Dead etc. prevented him from doing other work.

And I for one HATED the tour with Ratdog because it led to a really truncated ABB show. I much preferred the previous year when The DTB opened at the Beach.

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  posted on 2/6/2008 at 09:45 PM
there is some very good songwriting on that record. i have not pulled mine out in while
so i'll plan to do that soon.

 

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  posted on 2/6/2008 at 11:21 PM
I loved the tour with RD. Great alternative to the dueling guitars. Refreshing almost. And there were points of joy in that music too, fun, joyous music which is a nice contrast to the deep heavy songs of the ABB.

I love the ABB with Warren and Derek and think they have a great sound, but still I think that Warren would do better leaving them before he goes through another 2 years of touring with them.

Unless the ABB does a world tour and one that saturates the West Coast with both the DTB and Mule open for them (Oteil's band too imho), there is no advantage to anyone but the people who are to retire after the 40th. Other than a real world tour with the family bands, nothing is going to help help either Mule or the DTB. Fact, I was sorry to see DTB opening only for a few state side dates with Santana. I think his band has a possibility of becoming self sustaining if his band were to open for Santana on the world market. Brazil, South America, Spain and Europe are really the major markets for what the DTB has to offer. Too bad they aren't getting that exposure a this juncture.

As for Warren, I don't get a lot of "connect" watching Warren in the ABB. I find his playing with them dispassionate. Life is too short to be dispassionate. He is much happier playing with the Mule. And of course there is that solo work (I hope there is some ensemble work not just solo too) that never seems to get off the ground for him.

Anyway, that is what I think.

I do agree Tales was way over produced. There is some aspects of the sound though that I would like to see happen in the next effort Warren puts out, weather Mule or solo. I'd like to see him produced by someone of a Tom Dowd stature and sensibility.

I'll Be the One is a song that should have been a hit. That and Beautifully Broken. Both are too long for the 3 minute commercial stations but they do have hit written all over them. I find both to be about codependent, icky love though, so I'm not saying I personally "like" the songs. I also have a bone to pick about I'll Be the One. If you're the one, you should give a guarantee. If it's love there is a guarantee. Of course, unless you are getting used up. If you get used up you should run, run like hell cause no good can come of that.

 

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  posted on 2/6/2008 at 11:56 PM
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As for Warren, I don't get a lot of "connect" watching Warren in the ABB. I find his playing with them dispassionate.
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Wow Angelemerald. You must be seeing a different ABB than me because the unbelievable chemistry that has formed between Derek and Warren over the last couple of years is nothing less than magical. Warren seems to play very passionatly and joyfully as far as I can see. He has also stated many times that he loves the contrast between the ABB and his other work. It gives him a break from the relentless touring with Gov't Mule. If Warren Haynes wasn't passionate about something he wouldn't do it. At this point if he leaves the ABB are over and done with so I hope his passion for playing with them continues for as long as Gregg, Butch, and Jaimoe feel like going on.

I have seen Warren over 30 times with the ABB and have never seen him play without passion. Actually in the 80 or so times I have seen Warren perform with GM, ABB, Phil & Friends and solo I have never seen him play or sing without passion. It is part of his DNA.

 

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  posted on 2/7/2008 at 12:27 AM
I think Devon could replace Warren easily. I am smiling cause you know I don't think anyone can replace Warren, especially easily.

Pete, I respect your opinion and I know I am in the minority with mine.


[Edited on 2/7/2008 by Angelemerald]

 

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  posted on 2/7/2008 at 01:48 AM
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Don't say you agree with me and go in a different direction with what I said, please.



yaddah yaddah yaddah...look a few posts down from that one trouble maker !

 

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  posted on 2/7/2008 at 02:06 AM
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Don't say you agree with me and go in a different direction with what I said, please.



yaddah yaddah yaddah...look a few posts down from that one trouble maker !


LOL, I did but I still wanted to address your initial comments. LOL. Troublemaker no more. Yeah right. LOL.

Anyway, here's some Warren for ya.


Warren's acoustic set at Alltel Pavilion in Raleigh, NC 8/24/2002 Photo: (c) Lana Michelizzi



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  posted on 2/7/2008 at 08:15 AM
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I loved the tour with RD. Great alternative to the dueling guitars. Refreshing almost. And there were points of joy in that music too, fun, joyous music which is a nice contrast to the deep heavy songs of the ABB.

I love the ABB with Warren and Derek and think they have a great sound, but still I think that Warren would do better leaving them before he goes through another 2 years of touring with them.

Unless the ABB does a world tour and one that saturates the West Coast with both the DTB and Mule open for them (Oteil's band too imho), there is no advantage to anyone but the people who are to retire after the 40th.



What about the advantage to me? Ilove seeing the ABB with Warren. without Warren I would not like the ABB at this point so there is a great advantage to ME to Warren being in the ABB. Call me selfish if you like but that is how I feel.

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  posted on 2/7/2008 at 09:42 AM
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I think Devon could replace Warren easily.


I hope you are smiling wide, because that is a ridiculously funny statement.

 
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