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  posted on 2/5/2008 at 03:11 PM
Figured I'd post this here and see if someone knows the answer (TB or Dolan?) - I don't really want to stir it up in AG. Hope this isn't a repeat.

Looking around TB, I see that there is an auction going on for the Beacon Run. At first I assumed that it was "in conjunction" w/ the Big House, however, the Big House doesn't appear to have any tickets up for bid yet (if there will be any this year).

At TB, it looks like they're holding back 4 Center Section tickets for EACH of the 1st 10 rows in the ORCH for EVERY show. That is, 40 QUALITY tix per show are being held back for leagalized scalping. TB states:

"Ticketmaster auctions allow our venues, promoters, and artists to sell tickets and ticket packages directly to fans on Ticketmaster.com at a fair market price. There are no provisions for consumers to directly or indirectly sell their tickets via Ticketmaster auctions."

I'm guessing this would have to be the venue (ie Dolan), right?

BTW, people are bidding and the auction ends in 14 days (Big House would run much later, based on past auctions there) in case anyone wants to try for AA Center.

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  posted on 2/5/2008 at 05:15 PM
TB holds these auctions for a lot of events - not just a Beacon (or Dolan) thing.

 

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  posted on 2/5/2008 at 06:14 PM
Yes that's true Deb!! First time for any ABB Beacon shows though...

 

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  posted on 2/5/2008 at 07:48 PM
I pulled a stub from last year and the best seat in the house was $94.99...

...that's a big leap to $149.99 - and then not even give the average guy a shot at the best seats!

band should be ashamed of themselves...what a f'n joke.

someone I know that dealt for years with the guy that was probably the most prominent concert promoter of the 20th century said:

"BG always said we could make more money by selling the best seats for higher prices, but only if the bands agreed to do that. Band BB never did."

bummer that ABB did...

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  posted on 2/5/2008 at 08:32 PM
Ok, get the flameguns lit, 'cause I'm going to take up for the idea of the auction.

Let's be realistic about availability in recent years. Most prime seats are either withheld by ABB and their management, or end up in scalpers hands anyway. Many of these are sold at many, many times the face value. Not many of us have reported much luck in getting seats in the first 10 or so rows of Orchestra center during a presale or via normal sales. It's happened - but not much.

We can rail against the secondary market all we want, but it's not going to disappear. All the loyal fans here may detest it, refuse to support it, but we're a small percentage of the market.

If these factors are reality, I ask what you'd rather have: a sclaper's market where people who have no association with the band, bear none of the financial risks, and create nothing make huge profits off the resale, or, hold an auction where the band and it's management profits from that extra money?

I haven't seen a third alternative yet that worked reasonably well. So my vote goes with the auction.

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  posted on 2/5/2008 at 08:41 PM
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Ok, get the flameguns lit, 'cause I'm going to take up for the idea of the auction.

Let's be realistic about availability in recent years. Most prime seats are either withheld by ABB and their management, or end up in scalpers hands anyway. Many of these are sold at many, many times the face value. Not many of us have reported much luck in getting seats in the first 10 or so rows of Orchestra center during a presale or via normal sales. It's happened - but not much.

We can rail against the secondary market all we want, but it's not going to disappear. All the loyal fans here may detest it, refuse to support it, but we're a small percentage of the market.

If these factors are reality, I ask what you'd rather have: a sclaper's market where people who have no association with the band, bear none of the financial risks, and create nothing make huge profits off the resale, or, hold an auction where the band and it's management profits from that extra money?

I haven't seen a third alternative yet that worked reasonably well. So my vote goes with the auction.

Let the flames begin!


That's easy. My third alternative would be for the band, the promoters, and the venue to STOP HOLDING BACK THOSE SEATS. If they want to put on a show for their homies and suits, then by all means...have a Big House show for that purpose. Meanwhile, the rest of the shows should be for the people who have made it all possible over the years: The Fans.

Without the fans, no musical act would have any durability or staying power. I think bands need to remember this...even venerable and loved acts like the ABB.

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  posted on 2/5/2008 at 09:14 PM
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I pulled a stub from last year and the best seat in the house was $94.99...

...that's a big leap to $149.99 - and then not even give the average guy a shot at the best seats!

band should be ashamed of themselves...what a f'n joke.

someone I know that dealt for years with the guy that was probably the most prominent concert promoter of the 20th century said:

"BG always said we could make more money by selling the best seats for higher prices, but only if the bands agreed to do that. Band BB never did."

bummer that ABB did...

DB


Pull out your stub again and tell us what row/seat number you had.

Did you try the pre-sale? Lots of us "average guys" got a shot at some great seats. I chose to pay the extra price for one show. At the regular sale on Saturday, I'll choose not to pay the premium price, but I'm sure I'll still end up with nice seats.

Fujirich, I'm with you. Does anyone know if those that win the auction seats will have to show ID and pick them up at will call so they won't end up in the hands of scalpers? If so, then this is a good idea and worth a try for this Beacon run.

 
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  posted on 2/5/2008 at 10:44 PM
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Fujirich, I'm with you. Does anyone know if those that win the auction seats will have to show ID and pick them up at will call so they won't end up in the hands of scalpers? If so, then this is a good idea and worth a try for this Beacon run.

I don't think so. Once the auction concludes, they will mail you the tickets via normal means, then they are yours to do with as you want. But check the rules closely in case they've changed anything.

 

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  posted on 2/6/2008 at 08:28 AM
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I pulled a stub from last year and the best seat in the house was $94.99...

...that's a big leap to $149.99 - and then not even give the average guy a shot at the best seats!

band should be ashamed of themselves...what a f'n joke.

someone I know that dealt for years with the guy that was probably the most prominent concert promoter of the 20th century said:

"BG always said we could make more money by selling the best seats for higher prices, but only if the bands agreed to do that. Band BB never did."

bummer that ABB did...

DB


Pull out your stub again and tell us what row/seat number you had.

Did you try the pre-sale? Lots of us "average guys" got a shot at some great seats. I chose to pay the extra price for one show. At the regular sale on Saturday, I'll choose not to pay the premium price, but I'm sure I'll still end up with nice seats.

Fujirich, I'm with you. Does anyone know if those that win the auction seats will have to show ID and pick them up at will call so they won't end up in the hands of scalpers? If so, then this is a good idea and worth a try for this Beacon run.



I saw 3 of the shows last year and row-H was probaby the furthest back I was...

...are you aware of any tickets from last year priced above $94.99 face?

As for the "show-ID" pickup policy, not on these auctions, this directly from the TM site:

"Your tickets will be sent to you via the delivery method you have selected once your credit card has been authorized by your bank for payment. You will be sent an email verifying that your credit card has been charged and the email will include seat location and delivery information."

the solution is a good old fashioned mail-order policy. I lucked into a front-row-center when I saw a Phil & Friends show at the Beacon a few years and the guy had gotten the tickets through mail-order. the guy and his wife next to us, front row, got 'em through mail-order. mail-order takes a bit of a committment from the band, no doubt, but it can be done.

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  posted on 2/6/2008 at 01:02 PM
Thanks for the responses everyone! As long as it wasn't TB or the Dolan's holding back the tix, I have no problems (though I really hope TB doesn't collect a single additional penny from the auction). If it was an ABB decision, power to them - it is their gig and therefore, should hold back as many tix as they want/need (family, friends, promos, auctions, benefits, etc...).

In regards to a mail order idea, don't think it can happen, but I'd vote for it!

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  posted on 2/7/2008 at 09:47 AM
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Thanks for the responses everyone! As long as it wasn't TB or the Dolan's holding back the tix, I have no problems (though I really hope TB doesn't collect a single additional penny from the auction). If it was an ABB decision, power to them - it is their gig and therefore, should hold back as many tix as they want/need (family, friends, promos, auctions, benefits, etc...).

In regards to a mail order idea, don't think it can happen, but I'd vote for it!

Peace!


I'll guarantee you the Dolan's are a big driver of the price increases, and they benefit as such.

In the simplest terms, think about what's changed since last year...

DB

 
 


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