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  posted on 2/4/2008 at 10:19 PM
Do Tom Petty&The HeartBreakers have a more prominent place in American history than the ABB....After last Sunday, I have to wonder ( not in my heart) but practically speaking?


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  posted on 2/4/2008 at 10:59 PM

Without going into detail, I would say no way.

I'm sure i'm not the only one who did not see Tom Petty perform Sunday Night. Never crossed my mind. Musically he's not even close. Maybe to the Pop minded people that never got into the ABB. But in a true musical sense, I can't see it. The Duane legacy is enough alone.

I like Tom, But I remember him more when he rode in on the Punk/New Wave scene with "Breakdown".

Just my worthless 2 cents.

I'm sure many would disagree with me. But the Super Bowl is not "all that" to me anymore. I saw the last 5 minutes. Thats all I needed to see.

I see where your coming from though.

 

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  posted on 2/4/2008 at 11:06 PM
Wow, I never associated Tom Petty & Heartbreakers' early music with punk or new wave at all. It's classic guitar, organ music with good hooks....with Byrds/Roger McGuine style nasal vocals. Never thought of him as punk or new wave in the least....

But yes, in some ways Petty does have a larger legacy in American music. Nothing wrong with saying that. I love TP, but his music doesn't touch my soul like the ABB. Others feel just the oppositive.

Both were first ballot rock n roll hall of fame inductees. Rolling Stone clearly honored the Allman Brother guitar masters by ranking Duane Allman, Dickey Betts, Warren Haynes and Derek Trucks in their top 100 of all time.....not that either of those decide what is good/bad. music, but both represent public opinion.

Still would love to see the Brothers get the nod for a 3-4 song Super Bowl halftime set next year. Won't happen but would be a nice tribute.

I'm going to catch Petty on this tour.

[Edited on 2/5/2008 by hotlantatim]

 

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  posted on 2/4/2008 at 11:32 PM
i thought it was the best half time show i've ever seen, in fact, i usually don't even watch them. did anyone see the media interview the band on media day? it was wicked funny. tom was very cool.
 

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  posted on 2/5/2008 at 01:07 AM
who opened for tom petty 2 summers ago?

I dig it all

 

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  posted on 2/5/2008 at 01:21 AM
I don't think the Bros have 4 songs they could fit in a half time show.

 

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  posted on 2/5/2008 at 04:00 AM
The ABB made something new and different. They ruled the world of rock for a decade.
All master musicians. I like Tom Petty but he hasn't ruled a year much less a decade.

 

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  posted on 2/5/2008 at 04:24 AM
in terms of popularity, yes.

 

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  posted on 2/5/2008 at 04:59 AM
Apples and Oranges.

The ABB has always been about the "performance" of their music, basically what they did (and still do) is take the blues, and add jazz improvation to it (of course, over time they've added country and even gospel elements to the mix). And the truth is, that best way to experience the ABB is in a "live" element, as they have never been a strong "song oriented" band. Mostly their songs have been vehicles for their extended instrumental improvation. Actually I've never considered the ABB as a "rock and roll" type of band, instead putting them in the catagory as a "blues/jazz" band instead.

Tom Petty (with the Heartbreakers) have always been about the songs. What Tom Petty is, is one of the last of the great American rock and rollers. He excels at writing what in country music is known as "three chords and the truth". Tom's live concerts are a reminder of a what great "rock and roll" show is all about. Lot's of people around here, like to look down on Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers but the truth remains's they (along with likes of John Fogerty) are the last of a "dying breed". And as for the Heartbreakers, they are a simply a "great "rock and roll" band, not only for Tom Petty, but also for Bob Dylan and Johnny Cash who they also backed up on tour and in the studio.

In short, the ABB = Perfomance, then songs.
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers = Songs, then performance.
Two great bands, two different approaches to their music.

As for the most prominent place in American musical history, it'll most likely be Tom Petty simply because songs hold up better over time than live performances. Doesn't mean one is "better" than the other, just different that's all.


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  posted on 2/5/2008 at 05:29 AM
i couldn't say it better myself.

 

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  posted on 2/5/2008 at 06:26 AM
Let's beat this dead horse some more why don't we?

Tom Petty - Great
Allmans - Great
Having a closed mind - Hey, to each his own

 

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  posted on 2/5/2008 at 06:35 AM
Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
No one wants to be defeated
Showin' how funky and strong is your fight
It doesn't matter who's wrong or right
Just beat it, beat it
Just beat it, beat it
Just beat it, beat it
Just beat it, beat it

I used to see both the Bands back in the 70s at Merriweather, I had a great time
at both their shows.

"Just because something is Popular doesn't make it good" -Bob Dylan

but the converse doesn't not hold true. Mr Zimmerman, Some Popular Music is very good.

 

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  posted on 2/5/2008 at 06:50 AM
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I like Tom, But I remember him more when he rode in on the Punk/New Wave scene with "Breakdown".



He wasn't punk, he just finally broke through Nationally at the same time as the punk scene did.
But they did it on the road, playing Tom's songs. and getting on the FM film soundtrack got
a lot of exposure.

 

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  posted on 2/5/2008 at 06:59 AM
The real question should be, what do the Allman Bros have to do w/ TP playing the Superbowl? A: Nothing at all.

 

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  posted on 2/5/2008 at 07:07 AM
Back when the Traveling Wilbury's first came out I thought how and the hell did Tom Petty and Jeff Lynn get to be in this band with such music legends. It was like a couple of kids that got a lucky break, rookies so to speak. Now I look back and think that George, Bob and Roy were right. They knew Tom was great then and everone knows he is great now. He has wrote some of rocks most beloved songs, if you don't believe me go to a TP concert and listen to the crowd drown out the band vocals from singing the songs theirself. I love both bands! They have both paid their dues in rock history!
 

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  posted on 2/5/2008 at 08:10 AM
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I like Tom, But I remember him more when he rode in on the Punk/New Wave scene with "Breakdown".



He wasn't punk, he just finally broke through Nationally at the same time as the punk scene did.
But they did it on the road, playing Tom's songs. and getting on the FM film soundtrack got
a lot of exposure.



Did I say he was Punk, show me that , I said he rode in on the new wave/punk scene and he sure as hell did. Back in those days, a lot of mags like Creem would mention him along with bands like the Police, B-52's, REM. His first album came out in 1976(Which I bought, the week it was released) right when Punk/New Wave broke. A lot of New Wave fans liked him.

A lot of bands got thrown into that mix. Whether they were part of it or not. Blame the magazines...not me.

Yeah Tom Petty was a Punk Rocker....geeze.




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  posted on 2/5/2008 at 08:16 AM
"Tom Petty (probably in jest) has taken credit for "inventing" New Wave. He has been quoted as saying that journalists struggled to define his band, The Heartbreakers, recognising they were not punk rock, but still wanting to identify them with Elvis Costello and the Sex Pistols. He also suggests — again, probably half-jokingly — that the song "When the Time Comes" from the You’re Gonna Get It! album (1978) "might have started New Wave. Maybe that was the one."



Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers 1977


Thats the mans own words, himself.

Now you understand what I was saying. I know what I'm talking about.






Tom Petty's early band Mudcrutch — Tom Leadon, Petty, Randall Marsh and Mike Campbell — recreating an iconic Byrds album cover.


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  posted on 2/5/2008 at 08:43 AM
Whenever somebody throws the ABB into a discussion like this, I always love the free tickets argument.
Put 20 people off the street in middle america into a room with 20 Tom Petty Concert tickets and 20 Allman Brothers Concert tickets. Tell them they can take one ticket each.. I'll bet 5 ABB tickets are taken when Tom's 20 are long gone. We live in an AOL World. He's just popular, people know his music. That doesn't make it good.

 

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  posted on 2/5/2008 at 08:52 AM
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We live in an AOL World. He's just popular, people know his music. That doesn't make it good.


But in that instance, it is good music.

 

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I said he rode in on the new wave/punk scene and he sure as hell did. Back in those days, a lot of mags like Creem would mention him along with bands like the Police, B-52's, REM. His first album came out in 1976(Which I bought, the week it was released) right when Punk/New Wave broke. A lot of New Wave fans liked him.

A lot of bands got thrown into that mix. Whether they were part of it or not. Blame the magazines...not me.

Yeah Tom Petty was a Punk Rocker....geeze.




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Though labels are imprecise, as a new wave fan at the time, I liked "I Need to Know", just as much as U2's "I Will Follow" or REM's Radio Free Europe". I see where you're coming from Kenny and agree. All these bands evolved into something more as time went on.

 

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I said he rode in on the new wave/punk scene and he sure as hell did. Back in those days, a lot of mags like Creem would mention him along with bands like the Police, B-52's, REM. His first album came out in 1976(Which I bought, the week it was released) right when Punk/New Wave broke. A lot of New Wave fans liked him.

A lot of bands got thrown into that mix. Whether they were part of it or not. Blame the magazines...not me.

Yeah Tom Petty was a Punk Rocker....geeze.




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Though labels are imprecise, as a new wave fan at the time, I liked "I Need to Know", just as much as U2's "I Will Follow" or REM's Radio Free Europe". I see where you're coming from Kenny and agree. All these bands evolved into something more as time went on.


Exactly, it was the media that labeled them, then they grew out of that era.

 

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  posted on 2/5/2008 at 09:13 AM
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I don't think the Bros have 4 songs they could fit in a half time show.



They could had just played a cut down version of Mtn Jam. I can see those indoor bottle rockets shooting across the stage every time Butch hit the Kettle Drum. There surely would had been more fireworks in my opinion.

 

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  posted on 2/5/2008 at 10:11 AM
this isnt a fair question, TP is great and his band has been together a real long time. Completely different than ABB but he is a true legend of rock. His DVD is worth checking out for those who have not seen it and for those who want a great 2 hour show, check him out. His band is incredibly tight live and they sound awesome all 3 times i have caught his shows. To answer someones question, I saw the Black Crowes open for Tom and the last time Trey Anastasio-excuse my spelling. I also believe he teamed up with the ABB at one point a few years ago.
 

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  posted on 2/5/2008 at 10:34 AM
...Commercially speaking, Tom Petty by a pretty significant margin - especially over the past 20 years.

However, "influentially and creatively" speaking, It is The ABB that comes out on top by a VERY big margin in my opinion. I don't think I need to elaborate on that other to say that The ABB have influenced more bands tht play "in the moment" than any band in history with the exception of The Grateful Dead. Thats not to say TP hasn't influenced a lot of bands, but The ABB and The Dead started something almost 40 years ago that is still happening today...agree?

That being said, I like and completely respect Tom Petty and his fine band and all they have done, but quite simply The ABB is "life" to me and they completely and inequivically define American music from a Rock/Blues standpoint.





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  posted on 2/5/2008 at 10:47 AM
I'm not a big fan of TP, but I think he's won and deserves a reputation as a rock and roll hit-maker, worthy of crankage on your FM dial.

So, in a hundred years, when you're reading a textbook that deals with how some American musicians in the late 60's and early 70's took the blues/rock style and carried it in new directions, you'll probably hear something about the ABB and nothing about Petty. If you're reading a book that deals with popular culture and what contemporary rock and roll was being listened to by adults in the 80's through 00's, you'll likely find a mention of Tom Petty, but probably not the Brothers.

 

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