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  posted on 2/3/2008 at 01:57 PM
Which band best embodies the spirit of the Grateful Dead? Ratdog or Phil & friends? Just curious what people thought?

[Edited on 2/3/2008 by jerryphilbob]

 
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  posted on 2/3/2008 at 02:00 PM
Neither

 

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  posted on 2/3/2008 at 02:18 PM
Good Answer...LOL!

Both have a little bit of this and a little bit of that...It's the Friends that join in on stage who make it special for me and bring the flowing spirit and love for Jerry...

 

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  posted on 2/3/2008 at 02:30 PM
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  posted on 2/3/2008 at 02:43 PM
PHIL!!
 

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  posted on 2/3/2008 at 02:45 PM
Jerry was & is the spirit of the Grateful Dead
 
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  posted on 2/3/2008 at 03:29 PM
I don't think the Phil Lesh Quintet sounded like the Dead because Warren and Jimmy don't sound like Jerry but it envoked his vibe. Ratdog just sounds like another good quality bar band to me.

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  posted on 2/3/2008 at 03:48 PM
I don't think it's a horrible question. For me, it's easily answered with P&F. Not so much musically but in terms of embodying the spirit of the Dead. They are far more experimental and certainly maintain a more consistent quality of musicianship. I find the Ratdog musicianship overall suspect, especially Jay Lane who is bar band quality for my money (no offense intended Jay).

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  posted on 2/3/2008 at 04:22 PM
Phil, without a doubt

 

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  posted on 2/3/2008 at 04:46 PM
I love them both but Phil and Friends is better.

 

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  posted on 2/3/2008 at 04:49 PM
Phil by a country mile!

 

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  posted on 2/3/2008 at 04:49 PM
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"Bob Weir vs. Phil Lesh"



Whoa . . . I was expecting to open this & find a link to a Wall Street Journal article or something . . .

 

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  posted on 2/3/2008 at 04:53 PM
Phil Lesh by a landslide.

Phil is 10X the musician Hollywood Bobby Weir might think he is..........

he had a fit > throwing furniture around the room when he was not chosen to be in P & F.

the musicians who have been part of P&F is along list of outstanding players not the least of which - Pinky the Boy Wonder, Warren, Jimmy, Dickey, Trey, Robin Ford, Paul Bererre etc etc.

Ratdog is not as good as The Dark Star Orchestra..........they are the real deal if you like The Grateful Dead.........IMHO.



 

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  posted on 2/3/2008 at 05:23 PM
Having seen the Grateful Dead from 1972 through Jerry's death, 135 times, I feel I have the experience to share my opinion. Throughout my "Dead experience", Bob was never one of my favorites..I didn't think he was the best of guitar players, and I grew tired of his 'pretty boy" image, and his infamous "yelps" or "screams" during his tunes..When the Dead would go into Bob's Cowboy tunes during the shows, my friends and I met in the bar; just a standing pact. Phil, on the other hand, was, well..Phil..His knowledge and skills as a muscian were always out front and apparent; you could feel "it" as his bass rocked your whole body through the floors..
When Jerry died, the Grateful Dead "live" died..I've seen many of the incarnations since Jerry's death, and despite my attempts to not do the "comparison" thing, I can't help but do it..None of the bands have even come close to filling that "hole in my heart" feeling I've had since Jerry's death. If any of the bands comes close, it's Phil and Friends..I just saw Phil last week in Portland do a 40 year anniversary show of the Dead playing at a small venue..Although it was not the"Grateful Dead", Phil's band does the best at re-creating that feeling one would have when the band took you to depths you thought not possible..He and his band have fun, and seem to enjoy taking paths during their jams, not traveled before..It's fun to see and experience..
The band that has filled the "hole" I previously mentioned is the ABB..no one comes close to creating the joy I experience listening and watching them perform..

I leave you all with this..Enjoy the music, enjoy your momemt, enjoy the ABB while you can..There will come a time, where you won't be able to..It's not all up to us..Take control and enjoy it all!!!

 

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  posted on 2/3/2008 at 06:02 PM
No question... Phil and Friends in a landslide.

I think that the P&F Quintet years were about as close to the vibe of the original Dead that it's ever going to get. The Dark Star Orchestra does a very good job at recreating the sounds, but for me, the Phil and Friends lineup with Jimmy and Warren got the spirit right even if they didn't exactly try to mimic the actual sound of the Dead. Although, to be fair, I've been listening to a lot of their shows from '01, and Jimmy does a remarkable job of playing his own unique brand of guitar while mixing in some phrasing and licks that are 100% Jerry-approved. Their jams to start some of the shows from '01 and '02 capture not only the spirit of the original Dead, but also a lot of the spirit behind the ABB.

 

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  posted on 2/3/2008 at 06:14 PM
I remember a earlier thread similar to this. I was surprised that more people didn't go with Bobby - I am.

 

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  posted on 2/3/2008 at 10:31 PM
I'm a PLQ guy too. I'm too young to have seen the Dead, but unclj and any other Dead fans should give Railroad Earth a listen. They have that 1970-72 earthy yet experimental vibe and are excellent musicians to boot.

 

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  posted on 2/3/2008 at 10:38 PM
Love em both. Phil for the bigger jams and Bobby for the Rock N Roll party. I don't understand the Bobby bashing. You'd develop an unorthodox style also if you spent 30 years between Lesh and Garcia. No matter what anyone says. Bobby Weir has been bringing whatever the hell it is he brings on stage for 40 plus years. The man deserves respect.
 

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  posted on 2/3/2008 at 10:57 PM
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Love em both. Phil for the bigger jams and Bobby for the Rock N Roll party. I don't understand the Bobby bashing. You'd develop an unorthodox style also if you spent 30 years between Lesh and Garcia. No matter what anyone says. Bobby Weir has been bringing whatever the hell it is he brings on stage for 40 plus years. The man deserves respect.


I'm not really "bashing" Bobby..The question asked was "Weir vs Lesh?"..Any answer requires a critique of what it is you like and don't like..Bobby was an integral part of the band, and he brought tons to the "scene" and "vibe"..Playin in the Band, Estimated Prophet, and others were all great Bobby tunes..I assure you, I spent many a night "dancin' in the streets"..And I truly have nothing but respect for him, and his contributions..

 

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  posted on 2/3/2008 at 10:57 PM
I prefer Bobby to Phil. I saw Phil at the Beacon a few years ago and he was so boring, I left after the first set. He played all these Ryan Adams songs which were lame. This past tour with Jackie Green was better but Phil's singing was so bad. He croaks like a frog these days. However, Jackie Green sang most of the songs. He's pretty good but it's not Jackie Green & Friends.

On the other hand, I always have a great time at Bob Weir shows. He always sang the rockers and still makes it fun. I always see him at the Palace Theatre in Albany which is my favorite place to see him. He still can sing although he has a much deeper voice. Ratdog did the entire Terrapin Station suite at the last show which was awesome.

[Edited on 2/4/2008 by BarrySmith]

 

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  posted on 2/3/2008 at 11:00 PM
I like Bobby and Ratdog but Phil brings it to a higher level. Phil is one of the most original and interesting players who have ever played the electric bass. Bobby is a great songwriter,good singer and unique rhythm player. Phil's bands have always had a higher level of musicianship and are musically more adventurous. No doubt I gotta go with Phil.

 

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I prefer Bobby to Phil. I saw Phil at the Beacon a few years ago and he was so boring, I left after the first set. He played all these Ryan Adams songs which were lame. This past tour with Jackie Green was better but Phil's singing was so bad. He croaks like a frog these days. However, Jackie Green sang most of the songs. He's pretty good but it's not Jackie Green & Friends.

On the other hand, I always have a great time at Bob Weir shows. He always sang the rockers and still makes it fun. I always see him at the Palace Theatre in Albany which is my favorite place to see him. He still can sing although he has a much deeper voice. Ratdog did the entire Terrapin Station suite at the last show which was awesome.

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  posted on 2/3/2008 at 11:04 PM
I certainly respect Mr. Bob Weir. He has given me much great Music and joy.

 

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  posted on 2/3/2008 at 11:35 PM
Phil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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  posted on 2/4/2008 at 11:42 AM
I love Phil and I love Bobby and Ratdog. That being said Jerry Garcia played was such a large part of Grateful Dead that I don't think either Phil or Bobby really embodies the true spirit of the Grateful Dead. That ship has sailed. And I go see Phil & Friends and Bobby & Ratdog whenever possible...it's just not the Grateful Dead.

 

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