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  posted on 12/27/2007 at 08:00 AM
I got up early this morning and was listening to some Peter Green Fleetwood Mac era stuff.... The Boston Tea Party 3 disc set. This is probably my fav of that time period with Peter and the Band,it's very strong,powerful,intense music being played.
I know it's difficult to say who was "thee" guitar player at that time with so many coming out of the 60's and 70's with Beck,Page,Clapton,Hendrix etc. They were all great but I think Peter gets overlooked too many times and never gets mentioned. People who knew who he was at that time and people like you and I that have paid attention, his peers at that time knew how fantastic of a player he was, but unfortunatley the rest of the music community ,IMHO,fails to recognize his greatness. His playing during that time period could more than rival anyone's today without a doubt.

There is a another thread that was out here about great guitar duo's...listen to Green,Kirwan and Spencer on this live set that I mentioned earlier and they can stand with the best as far as "great guitar duo's". Very nice interplay,call and response and harmonizing. Peter could be complete fire and then be so sweet sounding with his playing.
Could you imagine him and Warren playing together.Maybe the Mule should cover "Rattlesnake Shake" ..Peter takes that song beyond the 20min mark at the Boston Tea Party and makes it one nice long jam!

I have read numerous things about what happened to Peter what caused him to be in the state he is in now. It's all very strange.....I am not sure what to make of it.
I really dont have much of his stuff after the Fleetwood Mac era, just a few things here and there , but I do have all of the Splinter group stuff. Some of it's not too bad.

It would be nice if there was some book or some litereature to read more about him.
I have seen some footage of Peter with Fleetwood Mac, but I can't find any official DVD of a concert or any compilation out there of that stuff. Does anybody have any leads about any of this?

 

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  posted on 12/27/2007 at 08:25 AM
With you all the way.

Next to Duane, Green was the greatest at knowing how to use an amp and it's sounds like an instrument, he knew that sounding good was as important as what was being played. I think a lot of the reason he's overlooked is because to the average Joe doesn't realise, and can't hear th control that guy had. As Betts said,you can get the measure of a player by their vibrato, non musical folk wouldn't be able to hear this. I personally think that Green was the nearest thing us Brits had to a Duane aproach.

Jszfunk, i have a stack of Green era shows, if you want me to set you up - PM me. Recomment the Fillmore West run July 70 (i think.)

As for later stuff - I've never listened, and to be honest, when ever me and my father talk of Green we talk of him as if the the "then and now" were two different people.

Good thread.

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  posted on 12/27/2007 at 09:04 AM
Peter Green

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  posted on 12/27/2007 at 09:28 AM
Sadly, I think he got lost in the shuffle at the time, he kinda came along after the above mentioned had already staked their position.
I remember seeing the original Mac at the FE and sitting in absolute wonder at his playing and the interplay with him and Jeremy.

The fact that so many great musicians count him as an influence and still cover his work is a testament to his greatness.

 

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  posted on 12/27/2007 at 09:42 AM
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He was great, and Fleetwood Mac was great back when they were his. I can't listen to the Splinter Group...it's just too sad, especially if you watch the DVD. The shock treatments made a mess of him.

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Yeah I have seen a few videos of him over the last 6-7 years and he just seems not there.
I am not trying to sound mean, but looking at Peter these days it seemed he would be more comfortable in a bath robe and a pair of slippers.

 

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  posted on 12/27/2007 at 09:46 AM
When I talk about Fleetwood Mac to people I know, I have to preface it by saying "early" FM. Most have absolutely no idea what kind of group or the kind of music FM was playing when Peter was there and sadly most have never heard of Peter.

The Boston Tea party discs are a good gateway that I have used to turn people onto the early FM. And I have a Peter Green t shirt, I feel like I need to wear it to spread awareness.

The Blue Horizon Box set is pretty awesome. Especially if you don't already have those studio albums. Blue Horizon has lots of good stuff, multiple takes, false starts, studio banter, etc. I had Then Play On for quite awhile, but when I got the Blue Horizon box my appreciation for Peter and early Mac just exploded.

 

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  posted on 12/27/2007 at 09:52 AM
I mush have been about 13 years old when I first saw Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac at Carnegie Hall. Unforgetable evening of music for a little girl.

 

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  posted on 12/27/2007 at 09:57 AM
My favorite British guitarist of all time. I always thought out of all the players from across the pond, Peter Green understood, and "got" American Blues. He played the Blues like he was born here.

 

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  posted on 12/27/2007 at 10:40 AM
And what a singer!!! I mean, the man had it all. I love the version of "Need Your Love So Bad" on the Shrine Auditorium 1969 disc. Peter sings his heart out. The Mayall disc "A Hard Road" is really cool too, though I dislike Mayall's voice. You get to hear them do "You Don't Love Me" - do you think this is where the ABB got it?

The Splinter Group are mostly solid but not remarkable. I enjoy them enough, but there is not the sense of transcendence of the earlier PG. HIs voice has gotten bluesier and I Feel in a weird way like his early melodramatic/romantic vision of being a bluesman has come strangely true - his suffering has made his voice even more authentically old school blues.

I agree that his sense of taste and restraint in phrasing are amazing. Some other favorites for me in this area are Joe Walsh and Mick Taylor, who I also think don't get their full due, but guitar players who are into tone revere them.

 

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  posted on 12/27/2007 at 10:43 AM
Here how good Peter Green was:
My brother Twiggs told me at the time that the only guitar the ABB considered replacing Duane with was Peter Green! They made efforts to track him down and discovered he was digging graves in England. They therefore gave up the idea of a guitar player and turned their attention to Chuck Leavell.

 

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  posted on 12/27/2007 at 11:00 AM
That's interesting. Not to derail this thread, but can you confirm or dispel the story that Johnny Winter started hanging around Macon hoping to get the job?

 

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  posted on 12/27/2007 at 11:04 AM
Never heard anything about Johnny Winter. I'll check with A.J and Skoots and see if they know anything about that.
 

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  posted on 12/27/2007 at 11:17 AM
Peter Green is one of my favorite Guitarists. Imagine if him and Duane Jammed

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HQ8AcEYTEFY

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yuHPrAA3tMA&feature=related

 

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  posted on 12/27/2007 at 11:35 AM
If you get a chance, find two new cd releases of old blues albums by Eddie Boyd. They are late 60s era with Green and Mac. If you are familiar with his song Big Boat, that is Green on guitar.

 

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  posted on 12/27/2007 at 11:59 AM
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My brother Twiggs told me at the time that the only guitar the ABB considered replacing Duane with was Peter Green! They made efforts to track him down and discovered he was digging graves in England. They therefore gave up the idea of a guitar player and turned their attention to Chuck Leavell.
Wow..I never heard that. We get so many interesting unheard fact form you..you need to post more!

It's even more impressive after reading your brothers quote, (which i never forgot) a little while after Duane died.
"Ain't no way any other guitarist is ever going to join this band"!
How long after Duane died did they consider this...if you know.
Good stuff!

You all probably know this, you are all so informed, but Peter Green wrote Black Magic Woman (Santana), and that double album has some of Peter's finest work...His Shake your MoneyMaker, is as good as it get's

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  posted on 12/27/2007 at 12:11 PM
Back on topic, I know little of Peter Green, to tell the truth, but it sounds like I need to learn more. What was his last album with Fleetwood Mac? I figure I'll start at the beginning and work on through them.

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  posted on 12/27/2007 at 12:16 PM
A Love That Burns!!!
Butch tells a story of Peter Green jamming with Duane & Dickey in Boston....
I'm paraphrasing....."The most natual fit of any guitarist we ever played with"....
supposedly there was an acoustic jam tape floating around somehwere (never found)....

 

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  posted on 12/27/2007 at 12:27 PM
I've never seen the below clip until youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RadSrKluIt8

One of my favorites, & probably my preferred blues player in the blues-rock genre. He's probably overlooked (Kirwan & Welch as well) due to the huge success that followed after his departure, & his numerous troubles afterwards. It's actually fortunate he DIDN'T follow in the paths of Syd Barrett or even Danny Kirwan, as they never really made it "back".

People remember "Rumours" as the human soap opera album, but the themes from songs such as "Man of the World" & "Jumping at Shadows" blows away those contents IMHO. Or his slide farewell of "Show Biz Blues". Plus, I find Christine McVie's songs to be more heartfelt than Buckingham or Nicks(Yes, a little jab at them).

He may be overlooked by the general public, but musicians such as Santana, Page, Gary Moore, & numerous others are quite fond of him. I can't imagine Santana's sound without Green or Bloomfield.

He played with the Brothers after he left the Mac-Butch stated on the old forum he played at The Warehouse in 1970, while Green was in the States staying with a friend in New Orleans. No tape. Never knew the band was looking for him though as a replacement-interesting to say the least.

Another album worth looking into is Otis Spann's "The Biggest Thing Since Colossus". Green's playing is stunning here.





 

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  posted on 12/27/2007 at 01:48 PM
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Back on topic, I know little of Peter Green, to tell the truth, but it sounds like I need to learn more. What was his last album with Fleetwood Mac? I figure I'll start at the beginning and work on through them.

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Peter Plays on the first Three Fleetwood Mac Records. "Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac", "Mr Wonderful" and "Then Play On"


The best of the Peter Green records is "Then Play On" one of my favorite records. That record was out selling the
Beatles and the Stones when Green had his burn out. John McVie has a standing threat to kill whoever gave
Peter the drugs that did the deed In Munich in 1970. Peter went on a three day LSD bender that triggered his schizophrenia.
"Then Play On" was the last studio record with Green, although the Single "The Green Manilishi" was recorded after that
and is Peter's swan song with Fleetwood Mac. (Later a hit for Judas Priest)

He makes a few unremarkable guest appearances on later records.

Then there is "Engish Rose" which was the first US release of Fleetwood Mac material consisting of singles and B sides.
and another Non -US compilation "The Pious Bird of Good Fortune"

then there is the Live Boston Tea Party set. Which has some great playing but the Recording is sonically challenged.
It was released in HDCD but the source is still poorly recorded.

To me "Then Play On" is a masterpiece, one of the great achievements in rock music.


Peter sounds like a completely different player today. And that is because he had to relearn the guitar after the
break down. His old legato style has be replaced by a style not unlike jazz player Pat Martino.
His personality has changed also, he is much more withdrawn and shy compared to before.










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I can't imagine Santana's sound without Green or Bloomfield.

I believe Peter Green wrote Black Magic Woman, and it was played by FM well before Carlos had a hit with it.


It was a hit in England for the Mac. It is a Peter Green composition.

The Santana Hit was actually 2 songs. Black Magic Woman/Gypsy Queen run together. Gypsy Queen was written
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  posted on 12/27/2007 at 02:16 PM
Hey Nick,
Hope all is well
Thank for the heads up on the Otis record....
I have got to check that out!!

 

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  posted on 12/27/2007 at 04:29 PM
Peter Green was definately good, but ... in Clapton, Beck and Page's level??? To be honest the guy Green traded his 59 Les Paul to still has got to be one of the best guitarists out there. Man I'd love to see him jam with the Brothers. Some cat by the name of ... Gary Moore!

 

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  posted on 12/27/2007 at 04:50 PM
Hiya Gary. Hope all is well with the clan! I highly recommend that album-rumor has it, Spann was hammered for much of the recordings.

As for Green, yeah, I think he is a peer of Clapton, Beck, & Page-and in the strict sense of the blues, I think Clapton is is his only peer out of the three.

 

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  posted on 12/27/2007 at 05:38 PM
IMHO - Peter was one of the finest British Blues Guitar players. He had great tone and feel. I love his playing from the early FM to "Then Play On" era. I agree with Charlesinator on the Gary Moore reference. Check out his "Blues for Greenie" and "Still Got the Blues" cd's.

 

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  posted on 12/27/2007 at 05:42 PM
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Peter Green was definately good, but ... in Clapton, Beck and Page's level??? To be honest the guy Green traded his 59 Les Paul to still has got to be one of the best guitarists out there. Man I'd love to see him jam with the Brothers. Some cat by the name of ... Gary Moore!
He was without question on their level...as a player, but his mental health prevented him the chance to sustain and prove it.
Like a great athlete with unbound talent that get's hurt and never fulfills his promise.

 

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